All Things LGBTQ+ (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Reason this hospital has been targeted

If some people have some kind of problem with transexuals, fine, but leave them alone. And leave those who are trying to help this extremely marginalized group alone. Trans folks have a right to as dignified a life as anyone else.

 

[Farb]

If the hospital and doctors are afraid of negative blow back, as they are since they have been scrubbing all the 'consultation' videos from their website and youtube, stop preforming irreversible body modification and untested drugs on mentally confused children.
Problem solved.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

If the hospital and doctors are afraid of negative blow back, as they are since they have been scrubbing all the 'consultation' videos from their website and youtube, stop preforming irreversible body modification and untested drugs on mentally confused children.
Problem solved.

What " irreversible body modifications" are they performing on children?

 

[MT15]

As noted many times, and yet ignored by Farb because it doesn’t fit his narrative, puberty blockers have been used for decades in youth with certain disorders that cause early puberty. We have plenty of data on their use, they aren’t new. Farb has been told this before, funny how he never changes his talking points to conform to reality.

Also, Farb sounds a lot like he is justifying bomb threats and threats of violence against a children‘s hospital because he doesn’t like the medical treatment that they are performing, which is customary care BTW. This is pretty much a big component of fascism. It just is, no sense dancing around it.

 

[Farb]

Hysterectomys and Mastectomies.
Don't forget the not tested hormone therapies.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Hysterectomys and Mastectomies.
Don't forget the not tested hormone therapies.

They are not doing Hysterectomys and Mastectomies on children. You have to be 18, or in the case of chest reconstruction surgery, 15 with parental consent.

 

[Farb]

As noted many times, and yet ignored by Farb because it doesn’t fit his narrative, puberty blockers have been used for decades in youth with certain disorders that cause early puberty. We have plenty of data on their use, they aren’t new. Farb has been told this before, funny how he never changes his talking points to conform to reality.

Also, Farb sounds a lot like he is justifying bomb threats and threats of violence against a children‘s hospital because he doesn’t like the medical treatment that they are performing, which is customary care BTW. This is pretty much a big component of fascism. It just is, no sense dancing around it.

That is strange, who do you get your 'facts' from? Can you produce those studies? They seem, by your description to contradict what actual studies that are being conducted lay out. I have a feeling, you were told that by Joy Reid and that is all.

https://segm.org/Sweden_ends_use_of_Dutch_protocol
"The Karolinska Hospital’s new policies echo a growing international concern over the proliferation of medical interventions that have a low certainty of benefits, while carrying a significant potential for medical harm. The latest policy issued by the Karolinska cites the UK NICE evidence review, which found the risk / benefit ratio of hormonal interventions for minors highly uncertain; the 2020 UK judicial review, which highlighted the overarching ethical problems with the practice of medical "affirmation" of minors; as well as Sweden's own Health and Technology Assessment (SBU) evidence review conducted in 2019, which found a lack of evidence for medical treatments, and a lack of explanation for the sharp increase in the numbers of adolescents presenting with gender dysphoria in recent years.

In recent months, several countries’ health authorities found that the evidence base is insufficient to justify routine early medical interventions for gender-dysphoric minors. Finland revised its treatment guidelines in June 2020, prioritizing psychological interventions and support over medical interventions, particularly for youth with post-pubertal onset of gender dysphoria (currently the most common presentation). Significant changes are also underway in the UK. Following the 2020 High Court judgement, the NHS (National Health Service) suspended the initiation of hormonal interventions to minors under 16. The ruling is currently under appeal, with a hearing scheduled for June 2021."

Yes, I like long walks on the beach, fire bombing healthcare facilities, the night sky on a clear night, cool temps with a pumpkin latte to go along with my death cult and Trump rallies and insurections. You have established that I am a facist, a racist and whatever else when you try and argue against reality. Very facist of you as well, we might be in the same chapter, is yalls meetings on Tuesday nights too?

 

[Farb]

They are not doing Hysterectomys and Mastectomies on children.

Are you 100% sure on that. Can we make a bet?

If I show you one example, will you admit that they have removed healthy breast from a minor in an attempt to fix to a mental disorder? How many examples will you need in order to admit you were given false information?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Are you 100% sure on that. Can we make a bet?

If I show you one example, will you admit that they have removed healthy breast from a minor in an attempt to fix to a mental disorder? How many examples will you need in order to admit you were given false information.

They are not doing Hysterectomys and Mastectomies on children. You have to be 18, or in the case of chest reconstruction surgery, 15 with parental consent.

Center for Gender Surgery | Eligibility for Surgery

<p>Learn who is eligible for surgery in the Center for Gender Surgery at Boston Children's Hospital.</p>

www.childrenshospital.org

 

[Farb]

They are not doing Hysterectomys and Mastectomies on children. You have to be 18, or in the case of chest reconstruction surgery, 15 with parental consent.

Is 15 not a minor?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Is 15 not a minor?

Do they not have to have parental consent?

plus:

"Patients who want to pursue chest surgery must be at least 15 years old and have the following:

• A letter from a medical doctor or nurse practitioner stating that you have "persistent, well documented, gender dysphoria" and specifying either the length of hormone therapy or why you are not taking hormone therapy.
• A letter from a mental health provider stating that you have the capacity to consent and that any significant mental health issues are being addressed."

 

[Farb]

Do they not have to have parental consent?

plus:

"Patients who want to pursue chest surgery must be at least 15 years old and have the following:

• A letter from a medical doctor or nurse practitioner stating that you have "persistent, well documented, gender dysphoria" and specifying either the length of hormone therapy or why you are not taking hormone therapy.
• A letter from a mental health provider stating that you have the capacity to consent and that any significant mental health issues are being addressed."

You said they are not doing it, so why does parental consent matter all of the sudden? So, they are doing it. Thanks. Here a slide show from Dr. Mosser. He discusses doing procedures on 13 year olds. His reasoning:

"Dr. Mosser said he’s “super committed” to gender surgery and has always been “drawn to things that are deeply impactful.”

He went on to describe how the GCC has “secret missions,” which he admits are not secret anymore since the slideshow has been created. Dr. Mosser said at the center they try to “live with our values 30 to 40 years in the future,” which is necessary to put them “in a mindset of extreme affirmation.”"

“I do not have a minimum age of any sort in my practice,” Mosser explained during the presentation. “There’s no chronological age that says you don’t get surgery.”

The surgeon explained that most children he operates on are 14 or older because that’s how long it takes for insurance approvals. But he also noted that the practice has consulted with “a number of 13 year olds” and has performed “one or two” surgeries on 13 year olds as well, according to the video.

“I don’t think I’ve ever done a consult on a 12-year-old yet, but we would, if one came our way. We just haven’t had reason to,” Dr. Mosser said.


https://www.dailywire.com/news/ther...geries-on-transgender-children-as-young-as-13

The video of him taking questions during his presentation and the video is embedded in the article.

What other mental illness do we alter healthy parts of the body to fit in with the mental illness? You can't use suicide because there are zero studies that show gender affirming healthcare has any effect at all on the rate of suicide in the trans community.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

You said they are not doing it, so why does parental consent matter all of the sudden?

You said they aren't doing it, waa waa waa.

Good lord.

 

[Farb]

You said they aren't doing it, waa waa waa.

Good lord.

Glad to know proving a point is now considered crying to you guys.

To recap, you said they are not doing. I proved they are and you now agree but also call me a cry baby. This was fun.

Now that we are not talking hypotheticals, do you think a doctor should preform life altering medical procedures on a 13 year old girl due to a mental illness that will she will probably out grown?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Glad to know proving a point is now considered crying to you guys.

To recap, you said they are not doing. I proved they are and you now agree but also call me a cry baby. This was fun.

Minor chest reconstruction on a 15-year-old who needs parental consent, medical consent, and psychiatric consent. And as for Hysterectomies on children? Show me where Boston Children's Hospital did that. That is not what they say. So if you want to break it down into right and wrong, yes, I was wrong about chest reconstruction, and you were wrong about Hysterectomies and untested hormone therapies. Therefore I learned something, how about you?

BTW, your take is just more of the right needing to control what individuals do with their bodies IMO.

You can't have an abortion.

God says homosexuality is wrong.

BTW:

"Best Children’s Hospitals Honor Roll

Ten hospitals earned a place on the Best Children's Hospitals 2022-2023 Honor Roll by accumulating points for being highly ranked in many specialties.
2022-2023 Honor Roll Rankings

• #1
  Boston Children's Hospital
  Boston, MA
• "

They seem to know what they're doing.

https://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/pediatric-rankings

 

[MT15]

Farb I showed you studies before. You never ever acknowledge them or even glance at them from what I can tell. They have been using these puberty blockers for about 20 years, IIRC, on children who have endocrine disorders that cause early onset puberty. They work and are not at all “untested or unproven”. Use of them is considered the standard of care in certain situations.

Yes, you saying that “that’s what they get” when discussing bomb threats and threats of violence to a freaking children’s hospital is fascist-leaning. I will wait while you show me where I have said something similar.

You are being radicalized. You just can’t seem to recognize this fact. Your handlers have you believing that half (or over half) the world are evil people who are doing unspeakable things to children, which will make violence seem like a reasonable solution to you in time, if you don’t quit reading this nonsense. You are headed to a very dark place.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

What medical treatments do transgender youth get?

Transgender medical treatment for children and teens is under attack in many states, but it has been available for more than a decade and is endorsed by major medical associations.

www.pbs.org

 

[Farb]

Farb I showed you studies before. You never ever acknowledge them or even glance at them from what I can tell. They have been using these puberty blockers for about 20 years, IIRC, on children who have endocrine disorders that cause early onset puberty. They work and are not at all “untested or unproven”. Use of them is considered the standard of care in certain situations.

Yes, you saying that “that’s what they get” when discussing bomb threats and threats of violence to a freaking children’s hospital is fascist-leaning. I will wait while you show me where I have said something similar.

You are being radicalized. You just can’t seem to recognize this fact. Your handlers have you believing that half (or over half) the world are evil people who are doing unspeakable things to children, which will make violence seem like a reasonable solution to you in time, if you don’t quit reading this nonsense. You are headed to a very dark place.

Were they drugs developed for gender affirming healthcare or are they off label? If these studies exist, why are the studys that are now coming out of Europe causing them to halt the therapy? I was told science changes, it does right? So the new studies that show there is no, none, benefit of these drugs in gender affirming care (not for the actual medical reason of puberty problems in humans). Are we just late to the change?

I am being radicalized? Because I don't think men can become women? Yeah, I am the radical one. LOL
Let me ask you this since you somehow think I condone someone blowing up a hospital, do you think the BLM protests were peaceful or do you think they were riots? Just trying to compare our level of being radicalized.