All Things LGBTQ+ (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[coldseat]

Article on potential backlash
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Republican lawmakers around the country are pushing an array of bills that limit the discussion of gay rights in schools under the auspices of parental rights, leading some party strategists to worry that the initiatives may backfire with moderate voters by making the party seem anti-gay.


Legislation includes a recent law passed in Florida that limits what kindergarten to third grade teachers can talk about in the classroom regarding sexual orientation and gender identity — a measure dubbed the “don’t say gay” law by critics.

Several other state legislatures, including Alabama, Louisiana and Ohio, are considering or have passed similar bills.
The measures have been accompanied by a push among some

Republicans to falsely describe backers of gay rights as “groomers” who are recruiting children to question their own sexuality or gender identity at a young age, torquing up rhetoric that LGBTQ activists say is dangerous.

One top Senate Republican also recently criticized the legal underpinnings of a 2015 Supreme Court decision affirming the right to same-sex marriage — a ruling that has broad public support.

Tim Miller, a former spokesman for Jeb Bush’s 2016 presidential bid who has since left the GOP, said of the recent measures, “I think in the short term, it’s a political winner, and that’s why you see so many other states doing copycat bills on Florida.”


But “I think that there are some big risks for Republicans, though in the medium term,” he added. “There’s a reason that the politics on gay marriage shifted so quickly. … The broad middle of this country does not want to see gay people or trans people be targeted.”……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/23/republicans-lgbt/

Can they possibly get anybody less representative of the gay community to speak for the gay community than a "Log Cabin Republican"?

Charles Moran, president of the Log Cabin Republicans, a GOP group that pushes for equality between straight and gay Americans, said he is not opposed to Florida’s Parental Rights in Education law, which he views as being limited in scope.
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Still, he said that he does not view the Florida law as an attack on gay rights. “There are some people who are turning this into an attempt to claw back progress on LGBT issues,” Moran said. “But that is not how I read this. I’m consistently reminding everyone: This is not a gay rights thing. This is a parental rights thing.”

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Can they possibly get anybody less representative of the gay community to speak for the gay community than a "Log Cabin Republican"?

"Still, he said that he does not view the Florida law as an attack on gay rights. “There are some people who are turning this into an attempt to claw back progress on LGBT issues,” Moran said. “But that is not how I read this. I’m consistently reminding everyone: This is not a gay rights thing. This is a parental rights thing."

In the same way that the civil war wasn't a slavery thing, it was a state's rights thing.

 

[Optimus Prime]

good article on something I was wondering about
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Young children who transition to a new gender with social changes — taking on new names, pronouns, haircuts and clothing — are likely to continue identifying as that gender five years later, according to a report published on Wednesday, the first study of its kind.

The data come from the Trans Youth Project, a well-known effort following 317 children across the United States and Canada who underwent a so-called social transition between ages of 3 and 12. Participants transitioned, on average, at age 6.5.

The vast majority of the group still identified with their new gender five years later, according to the study, and many had begun hormonal medications in adolescence to prompt biological changes to align with their gender identities. The study found that 2.5 percent of the group had reverted to identifying as the gender they were assigned at birth.

As tension mounts in courtrooms and statehouses across the country about the appropriate health care for transgender children, there’s been little hard data to draw on about their long-term development. The new study provides one of the first large data sets on this group. The researchers plan to continue following this cohort for 20 years after their social transitions began.

“There’s this sort of idea that the kids are going to be starting those things and that they’re going to change their minds,” said Kristina Olson, a psychologist at Princeton University who led the study. “And at least in our sample, we’re not finding that.”

Dr. Olson and other researchers pointed out, however, that the study may not generalize to all transgender children. Two-thirds of the participants were white, for example, and the parents tended to have higher incomes and more education than the general population. All of the parents were supportive enough to facilitate full social transitions.

And because the study began nearly a decade ago, it’s unclear whether it reflects the patterns of today, when many more children are identifying as trans. Two-thirds of the study’s participants were transgender girls who were assigned boys at birth.

But in the past few years, youth gender clinics worldwide have reported a swell of adolescent patients assigned girls at birth who had recently identified as trans boys or nonbinary.

This group also has a high rate of mental health concerns, including autism and ADHD, noted Laura Edwards-Leeper, a clinical psychologist in Oregon who specializes in the care of transgender children. “That’s really the group I’m most concerned about these days,” she said.

“I would say that this study tells us nothing about those kids,” Dr. Edwards-Leeper added. “It’s just that different.”............

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Farb]

good article on something I was wondering about
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Young children who transition to a new gender with social changes — taking on new names, pronouns, haircuts and clothing — are likely to continue identifying as that gender five years later, according to a report published on Wednesday, the first study of its kind.

The data come from the Trans Youth Project, a well-known effort following 317 children across the United States and Canada who underwent a so-called social transition between ages of 3 and 12. Participants transitioned, on average, at age 6.5.

The vast majority of the group still identified with their new gender five years later, according to the study, and many had begun hormonal medications in adolescence to prompt biological changes to align with their gender identities. The study found that 2.5 percent of the group had reverted to identifying as the gender they were assigned at birth.

As tension mounts in courtrooms and statehouses across the country about the appropriate health care for transgender children, there’s been little hard data to draw on about their long-term development. The new study provides one of the first large data sets on this group. The researchers plan to continue following this cohort for 20 years after their social transitions began.

“There’s this sort of idea that the kids are going to be starting those things and that they’re going to change their minds,” said Kristina Olson, a psychologist at Princeton University who led the study. “And at least in our sample, we’re not finding that.”

Dr. Olson and other researchers pointed out, however, that the study may not generalize to all transgender children. Two-thirds of the participants were white, for example, and the parents tended to have higher incomes and more education than the general population. All of the parents were supportive enough to facilitate full social transitions.

And because the study began nearly a decade ago, it’s unclear whether it reflects the patterns of today, when many more children are identifying as trans. Two-thirds of the study’s participants were transgender girls who were assigned boys at birth.

But in the past few years, youth gender clinics worldwide have reported a swell of adolescent patients assigned girls at birth who had recently identified as trans boys or nonbinary.

This group also has a high rate of mental health concerns, including autism and ADHD, noted Laura Edwards-Leeper, a clinical psychologist in Oregon who specializes in the care of transgender children. “That’s really the group I’m most concerned about these days,” she said.

“I would say that this study tells us nothing about those kids,” Dr. Edwards-Leeper added. “It’s just that different.”............

MSN

www.msn.com

I find it terrifying that this study is the first study of its kind and it only tracks for 5 years. I also find it terrifying that children with the mean age of 6.5 are allowed by their 'parents' to make these life altering changes without the actual scientific study to show if this is harmful or not.
This study proves that the talk about trans rights being settled science was just proved to be unsettled science by the 'first study of its kind'. This should give pause to all normal parents out there.

 

[brandon]

mean age of 6.5 are allowed by their 'parents' to make these life altering changes

Which life-altering changes are happening at the mean age of 6.5?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

The Secrets Ed Koch Carried (Published 2022)

To many New Yorkers, he was their brash and blustery mayor. But friends are now describing the private strain endured by a public man laboring to conceal his sexual orientation.

www.nytimes.com

The Secrets Ed Koch Carried​

By Matt Flegenheimer and Rosa Goldensohn

• May 7, 2022

Edward I. Koch looked like the busiest septuagenarian in New York.
Glad-handing well-wishers at his favorite restaurants, gesticulating through television interviews long after his three terms as mayor, Mr. Koch could seem as though he was scrambling to fill every hour with bustle. He dragged friends to the movies, pursuing a side career in film criticism. He urged new acquaintances to call him “judge,” a joking reference to his time presiding over “The People’s Court.”
But as his 70s ticked by, Mr. Koch described to a few friends a feeling he could not shake: a deep loneliness. He wanted to meet someone, he said. Did they know anyone who might be “partner material?” Someone “a little younger than me?” Someone to make up for lost time?
“I want a boyfriend,” he said to one friend, Charles Kaiser.
It was an aching admission, shared with only a few, from a politician whose brash ubiquity and relentless New York evangelism helped define the modern mayoralty, even as he strained to conceal an essential fact of his biography: Mr. Koch was gay.
He denied as much for decades — to reporters, campaign operatives and his staff — swatting away longstanding rumors with a choice profanity or a cheeky aside, even if these did little to convince some New Yorkers. Through his death, in 2013, his deflections endured.

 

[Port City JJ]

I find it terrifying that this study is the first study of its kind and it only tracks for 5 years. I also find it terrifying that children with the mean age of 6.5 are allowed by their 'parents' to make these life altering changes without the actual scientific study to show if this is harmful or not.
This study proves that the talk about trans rights being settled science was just proved to be unsettled science by the 'first study of its kind'. This should give pause to all normal parents out there.

95% of all statistics are made up

100% of farb's statistics are complete fabrications.
He will completely ignore this post, and Brandon's post.

He didn't bother to read the article in it's entirety, because reading is hard, instead he glance over Optimus' quoted portion of the article and nearly wet himself in piously outraged excitement when he saw "Participants transitioned, on average, at age 6.5" but since he doesn't bother reading anything that is absent bias confirmation, he is wholly ignorant of what social transitioning is and is out there probably telling his conservative friends that kids are getting sex change operations at 6 and a half years old.


He will now pretend to pray for america while clutching his cyber pearls over at Truth Social.

 

[Farb]

95% of all statistics are made up

100% of farb's statistics are complete fabrications.
He will completely ignore this post, and Brandon's post.

He didn't bother to read the article in it's entirety, because reading is hard, instead he glance over Optimus' quoted portion of the article and nearly wet himself in piously outraged excitement when he saw "Participants transitioned, on average, at age 6.5" but since he doesn't bother reading anything that is absent bias confirmation, he is wholly ignorant of what social transitioning is and is out there probably telling his conservative friends that kids are getting sex change operations at 6 and a half years old.


He will now pretend to pray for america while clutching his cyber pearls over at Truth Social.

Was there a question in here for me, or did you @ me to make sure I see that you are big mad at me for having a different opinion or were you just feeling left out?

What post from Brandon did I miss? I tend to respond to his posts because he usually has reasonable posts and can carry on a conversation without getting his feelings hurt and turning into a zinger. I would suggest you be more like Brandon.

Let me know when you want to discuss something. I will help give you a few starters

Are you saying this was not the first of this kind of study as it mentions in the article? Can you show me the prior study that shows there is no perceived negative effect on a child that is allowed to transition or the rate of 'success'?
Where was I wrong the average age of the participates?
Are you saying these parents are brave to offer their kids up for experimentation? Would you not consider it experimental if this is the 1st study of its kind? (see first question).

 

[Port City JJ]

Was there a question in here for me, or did you @ me to make sure I see that you are big mad at me for having a different opinion or were you just feeling left out?

What post from Brandon did I miss? I tend to respond to his posts because he usually has reasonable posts and can carry on a conversation without getting his feelings hurt and turning into a zinger. I would suggest you be more like Brandon.

Let me know when you want to discuss something. I will help give you a few starters

Are you saying this was not the first of this kind of study as it mentions in the article? Can you show me the prior study that shows there is no perceived negative effect on a child that is allowed to transition or the rate of 'success'?
Where was I wrong the average age of the participates?
Are you saying these parents are brave to offer their kids up for experimentation? Would you not consider it experimental if this is the 1st study of its kind? (see first question).

Your willful ignorance is on full display here.
The question for you, and the Brandon post are only 3 posts above this one.

"Are you saying this was not the first of this kind of study as it mentions in the article? Can you show me the prior study that shows there is no perceived negative effect on a child that is allowed to transition or the rate of 'success'?" nor the rest of your drivel addresses absolutely nothing in my post.

 

[brandon]

Was there a question in here for me, or did you @ me to make sure I see that you are big mad at me for having a different opinion or were you just feeling left out?

What post from Brandon did I miss? I tend to respond to his posts because he usually has reasonable posts and can carry on a conversation without getting his feelings hurt and turning into a zinger. I would suggest you be more like Brandon.

Let me know when you want to discuss something. I will help give you a few starters

Are you saying this was not the first of this kind of study as it mentions in the article? Can you show me the prior study that shows there is no perceived negative effect on a child that is allowed to transition or the rate of 'success'?
Where was I wrong the average age of the participates?
Are you saying these parents are brave to offer their kids up for experimentation? Would you not consider it experimental if this is the 1st study of its kind? (see first question).

You must be talking about the other Brandon, because I'm pretty sure you have me on ignore.

Also, my posts are never reasonable.

 

[Port City JJ]

You must be talking about the other Brandon, because I'm pretty sure you have me on ignore.

Also, my posts are never reasonable.

 

[Farb]

Your willful ignorance is on full display here.
The question for you, and the Brandon post are only 3 posts above this one.

"Are you saying this was not the first of this kind of study as it mentions in the article? Can you show me the prior study that shows there is no perceived negative effect on a child that is allowed to transition or the rate of 'success'?" nor the rest of your drivel addresses absolutely nothing in my post.

Maybe you can help out of my willful ignorance. Can you show me what I was supposed to address in your post? Where is a question?

95% of all statistics are made up

100% of farb's statistics are complete fabrications.
He will completely ignore this post, and Brandon's post.

He didn't bother to read the article in it's entirety, because reading is hard, instead he glance over Optimus' quoted portion of the article and nearly wet himself in piously outraged excitement when he saw "Participants transitioned, on average, at age 6.5" but since he doesn't bother reading anything that is absent bias confirmation, he is wholly ignorant of what social transitioning is and is out there probably telling his conservative friends that kids are getting sex change operations at 6 and a half years old.


He will now pretend to pray for america while clutching his cyber pearls over at Truth Social.

Do you want me to also pile on myself to make you feel better? I am at a loss here big guy. I am not sure what I am suppose to respond to. But I will try

95%? I am not sure if that is accurate total. Maybe though. Can you share the information you used in coming up with that?
I tend to post a link to any statistics I post because I am not good with statistics. But I don't think 100% of my numbers are a 'fabrication'.
I am answering your post again. Why are you so worried about if I reply to someone else? That is odd I think.
No, I don't particularly find reading hard, although I might have to reread something a few times to comprehend it. I also find reading out loud helps me retain some information (might help you too).
Farb did not wet himself (I feel like I need to answer in 3rd person, because you were obviously addressing me in your post as you have stated several times, but it was as if you were talking about me and not to me but I will attempt this honest dialogue.
Was I wrong the average of 6.5 age for that study?
Can you recommend something that is non biased to read on this issue?
Is social transitioning the same thing as new pronouns and genders for 6.5 year old?
I wouldn't call them sex changes, but I think 'gender affirming procedure/steps would be fair. What you would call it? Social transitioning? That would be an interesting conversation.
I don't really have any friends. But I feel like you and I are close to becoming BFFs with this open and honest dialogue!
I don't own pearls but if I did, they would be real pearls as I am not a poor.
I am also not on truth social. Is that the Trump one? They have a wait list (no idea why, but they do).

What else do we have to discuss?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Thought this was an interesting article and first time hearing the term 'gender colonialism'
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n the National Geographic documentary "Gender Revolution," the journalist Katie Couric met with a group of LGBT students at Yale University who schooled her in contemporary Western gender terminology.

"Why are we suddenly seeing such huge changes in the way people are looking at their gender?" Couric asked.

"It's not new," one of the students told Couric. "I mean, people who might identify as trans, they've always existed in cultures for as long as we've had history and we find it now everywhere across the world."

Well, sort of. Like the student schooling Couric, we all cull bits and pieces of information from the historical past and other cultures to construct an authoritative sense of who we are, but in doing so, we risk overlaying Western gender ideology onto non-Western ways of thinking.

For almost two decades, I have conducted research in two non-Western cultures that are frequently cited in Western discussions about transgender people: the Polynesian island nation of Samoa in the south Pacific, and the Istmo region of Oaxaca in southern Mexico, where the indigenous Zapotec people predominate. In both places, I work with individuals who are male, but who present a markedly feminine manner. For example, many wear female-typical clothing and adopt feminine names.

In Samoa, these individuals self-identify and are identified by others as "fa'afafine." In the Istmo, they are known to themselves and others as "muxe gunaa" or muxes for short. Having interviewed hundreds of such individuals, I can tell you that almost without exception they are exclusively attracted to masculine men as sexual partners.

Yet when fa'afafine and muxes are dropped into Western discussions about gender, there is much that gets lost in translation. Most Westerners describe these individuals as "transgender," a reasonable practice given that both fa'afafine and muxes recognize certain shared commonalities with trans people worldwide.

For example, no one assigns infant males as fa'afafine or muxes at birth; rather, as their femininity organically emerges in early childhood, those around them recognize that these male children are behaviorally distinct from typical boys.

The monikers fa'afafine and muxes mark them as something else altogether, neither boys nor girls, men nor women; something we in the West might call a non-binary gender.

But Westerners err when they call these individuals "trans women," because the vast majority of fa'afafine and muxes actively reject being labeled as women. True, some might use such terminology or related words, but they do so when struggling to translate the concepts of fa'afafine or muxes into terms that Westerners can understand.

Nor are the vast majority of these individuals "gender fluid," as some claim. They do not shift from being fa'afafine or muxes to some other gender and then back again.

Unlike many trans people in the West who identify as male-to-female, fa'afafine and muxes recognize that they have male bodies and that these are immutable. A tiny number might femininize their bodies with hormones or even more rarely surgery, but no one in their local communities, least of all fa'afafine and muxes themselves, believe that such procedures transform them into females.

Given that they do not identify as women and recognize that they are male, dysphoria about sex or gender has traditionally been relatively uncommon in these cultures, my research has shown.

In view of all this, it should come as no surprise that fa'afafine and muxes are not "raised as girls" as Western commentators often assert. Nor do families lacking girls "create" fa'afafine and muxes as substitute daughters—another Western fantasy.

Research conducted by my students and I has repeatedly demonstrated that, like gay men, fa'afafine and muxes tend to have more older sisters than straight men, not fewer, so the so-called need for additional girls in such families is non-existent...............

Stop Imposing Western LGBTQ+ Identities on Non-Western Cultures. It's Gender Colonialism | Opinion

 

[Farb]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/middle-schoolers-sexual-harassment-gender-pronouns

"(The investigating principal) said he’s being allegedly charged with sexual harassment for not using proper pronouns," Rabidoux said. "I thought it wasn’t real. I thought this has got to be a gag, a joke – one has nothing to do with the other."

Now her son and two other boys are being charged by school officials with Title IV violations, which prohibits gender-based harassment.

The incident in question reportedly took place in March, when a student announced a preference of "they" and "them" to identify them."

So, the government is now in the business of telling kids they have to say obviously false things for the sake of someone's feelings. That feels like a dash of free speech constraint.

Should a kid or anyone for that matter be charged for not calling a singular person a plural pronoun? Sexual Assault?
And people wonder why parents are fleeing the government indoctrination camps...I mean schools.

 

[coldseat]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/middle-schoolers-sexual-harassment-gender-pronouns

"(The investigating principal) said he’s being allegedly charged with sexual harassment for not using proper pronouns," Rabidoux said. "I thought it wasn’t real. I thought this has got to be a gag, a joke – one has nothing to do with the other."

Now her son and two other boys are being charged by school officials with Title IV violations, which prohibits gender-based harassment.

I'm confused by this sentence, was he charged with sexual harassments or allegedly charged? Why the qualifier?

The incident in question reportedly took place in March, when a student announced a preference of "they" and "them" to identify them."

I mean, the article got it right. How hard can it be?

So, the government is now in the business of telling kids they have to say obviously false things for the sake of someone's feelings. That feels like a dash of free speech constraint.

Should a kid or anyone for that matter be charged for not calling a singular person a plural pronoun? Sexual Assault?
And people wonder why parents are fleeing the government indoctrination camps...I mean schools.

I'm guessing there's more to the story, but since the school isn't commenting and that article is only one side of the story, it's hard to say. Maybe if Fox News had some journalistic integrity and sought to publish more than just a "libs bad" piece.

 

[Farb]

I'm confused by this sentence, was he charged with sexual harassments or allegedly charged? Why the qualifier?


I mean, the article got it right. How hard can it be?



I'm guessing there's more to the story, but since the school isn't commenting and that article is only one side of the story, it's hard to say. Maybe if Fox News had some journalistic integrity and sought to publish more than just a "libs bad" piece.

Maybe the left MSM will cover it then, but probably not.

Do you think this a proper response by the government school?

 

[coldseat]

Maybe the left MSM will cover it then, but probably not.

Do you think this a proper response by the government school?

I don't really know what the response is from that article.

 

[Farb]

I don't really know what the response is from that article.

Should a child be punished (never mind the severity) for using incorrect pronouns in school?
Also never mind that the pronouns used were actually grammatically correct. If this was an exercise in English class, the kid would have received an 'A' or correct pronoun usage.