2024 GOP Presidential Race (13 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[bdb13]

Yea, but a 55 seat advantage is the SENATE? As in, a 75-20 split? You (or whoever you’re quoting) must have meant a 55 seat advantage in the house, right?

Or did you mean a 55-45 split in the senate?

Sure he meant the latter.

 

[Saintman2884]

Yea, but a 55 seat advantage is the SENATE? As in, a 75-20 split? You (or whoever you’re quoting) must have meant a 55 seat advantage in the house, right?

Or did you mean a 55-45 split in the senate?

I meant some GOP politicians, strategists, RNC leaders like Rick Scott were predicting as late as this time last week that the "red tsunami" would lead to Republicans having a 55-45 split in the Senate.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Sitting at the head table in a white and gold ballroom, beneath glistening chandeliers and an ornately corniced ceiling, Donald Trump looked sullen as midterm election results flashed up on a giant TV screen.

Across Florida, 200 miles from his opulent Mar-a-Lago estate, the mood was quite different. In Tampa, Governor Ron DeSantis was celebratinghis landslide re-election by repurposing lines from Winston Churchill.

“We fight the woke in the legislature,” DeSantis declared as his photogenic young family looked on against a stars and stripes backdrop. “We fight the woke in the schools. We fight the woke in the corporations. We will never, ever surrender to the woke mob. Florida is where woke goes to die.”

As the jubilant crowd chanted “two more years!”, suggesting that DeSantis, not Trump, should run for US president in 2024, was this the moment that power slipped inexorablyfrom one to the other – that the Republican crown passed from old king to young pretender?

Some in the party are ready to declare it so. David Urban, a longtime Trump ally, told the Washington Post: “It is clear the center of gravity of the Republican party is in the state of Florida, and I don’t mean Mar-a-Lago.”

If such a shift has taken place, it did so gradually, then suddenly. Since he descended an escalator at his New York headquarters in June 2015, Trump has dominated and defined the Republican party, crushing rivals in the Republican primary then eking out a victory over Hillary Clinton to seize the White House.

But the party of Trump suffered drubbings at the ballot box in 2018 and 2020. And despite forecasts of a “red wave” in 2022, it fell short again. From Michigan to Pennsylvania, novice candidates endorsed by the former president proved they were unready for prime time and too extreme for a wary and weary electorate.

Finally, some Republicans admitted what everyone else could see: Trump is an albatross around the party’s neck. Virginia’s lieutenant governor, Winsome Earle-Sears, once a vocal supporter, told the Fox Business channel: “The voters have spoken and they have said that they want a different leader. And a true leader understands when they have become a liability. A true leader understands that it’s time to step off the stage. It is time to move on.”………..

‘It’s time to move on’: have the US midterms finally loosened Trump’s grip on the Republican party?

After the party came up short in another election, Ron DeSantis may be poised to become its new leader

www.theguardian.com

 

[dtc]

People can be fickle. Even though Trump has had support for years....fickle people can abandon him now. They can! So...
You've posted so much....but I think it can be simple. Trump will not be the GOP nominee in Nov. of 2024. Yet he will naturally be bitter about that. He just might form his own party (the MAGA Party?) and run as an independent. If on the November 2024 ballot Trump and DeSantis were both options...well that would be disastrous for those of us who hate Trump but also are unhappy under Biden.

But it would be the best thing for the country.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Even Candace Owens is stepping back

Although it comes with a standard right wing view that 'nothing is real until it effects me personally"

"Until Trump was rude to me I never knew how rude he was"

Really Candace? Or was he rude to the people you thought deserved to be rude to, and you loved every bit of it?"
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Candace Owens, speaking on her Daily Wire show after the midterms, said that former President Donald Trump being rude to her made her question for the "first time" what kind of person he is.

Owens, who once referred to Trump as "the savior" of the free world, described how the former president "actually got upset" with her following an interview with him in which he defended COVID-19 vaccines.

After the interview in December 2021, Owens defended him in an Instagram video, saying that people often forget "how old Trump is" and that he comes from a generation who "came from a time before TV, before the internet, before being able to conduct independent research."

The Daily Beast covered it, headlining the story: "Candace Owens: Trump Is Pro-Vax Because He's 'Too Old' to Understand the Internet."

In her monologue on her Daily Wire show this week, Owen's said she was sharing the "personal story" because "it's something that made me for the first time question him as a person."

The conservative firebrand went on to say that Trump twisted a "completely kind and fair interview."

"That is not being a leader, that is not owning things that you did wrong, that is not owning that you misunderstood something about your base," she said. "That's not growing, that's not developing."

Owens said that was the moment she realized he was "not listening" and made her question if he was becoming "too angry."

Owens said that in previous elections, Trump was "having fun," and "the energy, it was electric." However, she said after the 2020 election, he is in "an angry space" and has become paranoid.

She repeated that "he was so rude to me."...........

Candace Owens said Trump's rudeness made her realize he's vengeful, paranoid, lacks humility

 

[CoolBrees]

Then the Republican Party loses the 2024 Presidential race to a good, but kind of mediocre, underperforming Biden. And maybe even more House and Senate races. I know there are a quite a few sane, intelligent Republican strategists out there smarter then most of us who will see this scenario develop out large as a method in their minds and maybe some already have begun to see this development, you're kind of setting yourself up to failure.

I agree with like 90% of this.

First disagreement- while I would more or less agree with “mediocre,” I don’t think you can call Biden “underperforming.”Perhaps because the bar was low for his expectations, I can concede that, but the economy is at least buoyed and is without question outperforming every other developed nation and the deficit is getting cut by over a trillion.

Ukraine situation, I think has been handled about as well as you could possibly ask for in reality. Couple that with the best midterm an incumbent has had since W. after 9/11 and I would say that is to say the least outperforming my expectations.

The second really isn’t a disagreement as much as a contention. If/when Trump detonates his affiliation with the GOP he is going to make the call to his followers to shun the GOP as traitors to HIM. They don’t follow the GOP or even MAGA. They follow him.

And that is a massive problem I think isn’t being really given it’s due.

You expect to hold on to, even a significant percentage let alone a majority, of people that less than 3 years ago, stormed the Capital for him, or the racists and anti semites and Q nuts?

And that doesn’t get to the biggest problem area-

What about all of the preachers? They have been telling their flock for YEARS that Trump was anointed by God. Some said he WAS God. How do you move on from that?

No this is going to kneecap the party like Tonya Harding.

If this was a normal human you were talking about then they could be reasoned with. Not Donald.

He is getting indicted possibly three times in different cases. He has no power other than MAGAts. He is going to do anything for his survival. Anything.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The second really isn’t a disagreement as much as a contention. If/when Trump detonates his affiliation with the GOP he is going to make the call to his followers to shun the GOP as traitors to HIM. They don’t follow the GOP or even MAGA. They follow him.

And that is a massive problem I think isn’t being really given it’s due.

During an appearance on MSNBC on Sunday morning, Donald Trump's niece, Mary Trump, warned that her uncle has never been more dangerous than now after the midterm election failure by the GOP was blamed on him.

More to the point, she said he has become a danger to the GOP.

Speaking with host Ali Velshi, she went on to say that the danger comes from her uncle's fears of becoming "irrelevant."

"What do you think happens here?" the MSNBC host prompted. "Donald Trump wants to be relevant, in the face of an election that has done something for him he never wanted: it has proved that he is potentially less relevant and he thinks he is. How do you square those things? You maintain that he maintains the dangerousness in the Republican Party, by extension the most dangerous person in America."

"Donald becomes his most dangerous when he fears loss of relevance when he fears that he is no longer the center of attention," she replied. "When he fears that he is no longer than one in control."

"We don't know just what kind of information he has on other people in his party," Trump, a psychologist, elaborated. "What we do know is he would be willing to use it. I believe we talked about this before the 2020 election. Donald will burn everything down if he feels like he is going down -- we cannot discount that, we ignore him at our peril."

"That is why the Republican Party strategy of deciding to turn a different direction won't work," she continued. "One, it won't work because he won't let them do it. Two, it shouldn't work because they are largely responsible for the state of the party and the dangers that this party continues to present to this country."...............

'Donald will burn everything down' if Republicans turn their backs on him: Mary Trump

 

[SFIDC3]

During an appearance on MSNBC on Sunday morning, Donald Trump's niece, Mary Trump, warned that her uncle has never been more dangerous than now after the midterm election failure by the GOP was blamed on him.

More to the point, she said he has become a danger to the GOP.

Speaking with host Ali Velshi, she went on to say that the danger comes from her uncle's fears of becoming "irrelevant."

"What do you think happens here?" the MSNBC host prompted. "Donald Trump wants to be relevant, in the face of an election that has done something for him he never wanted: it has proved that he is potentially less relevant and he thinks he is. How do you square those things? You maintain that he maintains the dangerousness in the Republican Party, by extension the most dangerous person in America."

"Donald becomes his most dangerous when he fears loss of relevance when he fears that he is no longer the center of attention," she replied. "When he fears that he is no longer than one in control."

"We don't know just what kind of information he has on other people in his party," Trump, a psychologist, elaborated. "What we do know is he would be willing to use it. I believe we talked about this before the 2020 election. Donald will burn everything down if he feels like he is going down -- we cannot discount that, we ignore him at our peril."

"That is why the Republican Party strategy of deciding to turn a different direction won't work," she continued. "One, it won't work because he won't let them do it. Two, it shouldn't work because they are largely responsible for the state of the party and the dangers that this party continues to present to this country."...............

'Donald will burn everything down' if Republicans turn their backs on him: Mary Trump

I agree with this 100%…..especially 2……

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Absolutely. Trump already suffered a relative period of obscurity post-80's and prior to The Apprentice. To raging narcissists its all about self-affirmation. He can't go back to the business world (where he was relatively mediocre at best) because that space is filled by younger and more successful guys like Musk and Bezos. Politics is the only thing he has left.

 

[faceman]

Absolutely. Trump already suffered a relative period of obscurity post-80's and prior to The Apprentice. To raging narcissists its all about self-affirmation. He can't go back to the business world (where he was relatively mediocre at best) because that space is filled by younger and more successful guys like Musk and Bezos. Politics is the only thing he has left.

If you get a chance watch the 30 for 30 about the USFL. Trump always wanted a NFL franchise. The NFL owners knew better.
Trump bought the NJ Generals. He immediately signed Doug Flutie and put the league in a bidding war they couldn't win.
Trump then said other owners need to help pay Fluties salary. It was the beginning of the end for the USFL. He later went
to Pete Rozelle and said if I'm given a NFL franchise I will bankrupt the USFL. Rozelle said as long as I'm commisioner you'll
never get a NFL franchise. Trump has held a grudge against the NFL since. I've disliked Trump since the 80's as well. He's
never changed and now most people see who he really is.

 

[Optimus Prime]

If you get a chance watch the 30 for 30 about the USFL. Trump always wanted a NFL franchise. The NFL owners knew better.
Trump bought the NJ Generals. He immediately signed Doug Flutie and put the league in a bidding war they couldn't win.
Trump then said other owners need to help pay Fluties salary. It was the beginning of the end for the USFL. He later went
to Pete Rozelle and said if I'm given a NFL franchise I will bankrupt the USFL. Rozelle said as long as I'm commisioner you'll
never get a NFL franchise. Trump has held a grudge against the NFL since. I've disliked Trump since the 80's as well. He's
never changed and now most people see who he really is.

Also from that 30 for 30 if I remember correctly the USFL originally played the spring, and filled a hole.

it was Trump who insisted the league start playing in the fall, in direct competition with the NFL and college football

 

[faceman]

Also from that 30 for 30 if I remember correctly the USFL originally played the spring, and filled a hole.

it was Trump who insisted the league start playing in the fall, in direct competition with the NFL and college football

You are correct.

 

[SystemShock]

If you get a chance watch the 30 for 30 about the USFL. Trump always wanted a NFL franchise. The NFL owners knew better.
Trump bought the NJ Generals. He immediately signed Doug Flutie and put the league in a bidding war they couldn't win.
Trump then said other owners need to help pay Fluties salary. It was the beginning of the end for the USFL. He later went
to Pete Rozelle and said if I'm given a NFL franchise I will bankrupt the USFL. Rozelle said as long as I'm commisioner you'll
never get a NFL franchise. Trump has held a grudge against the NFL since. I've disliked Trump since the 80's as well. He's
never changed and now most people see who he really is.

I was in business school in the 80's. We worshipped guys like Lee Iacocca and Ivan Boesky, but laughed at Trump.

 

[SFIDC3]

I was in business school in the 80's. We worshipped guys like Lee Iacocca and Ivan Boesky, but laughed at Trump.

same here, Iacocca was a genius….he completely revamped and saved Chrysler…..so many folks thought the govt loaned Chrysler the money….all the govt did was approve/insure the loan from private institutions….

 

[faceman]

same here, Iacocca was a genius….he completely revamped and saved Chrysler…..so many folks thought the govt loaned Chrysler the money….all the govt did was approve/insure the loan from private institutions….

+3. I've always admired Iacocca. So many people don't understand what a bailout means. It was a loan that Chrysler paid back
after the company started making a profit. If they hadn't loaned the money, Chrysler would have went bankrupt and many
jobs would have been lost. I wanted him to run for POTUS. He toyed with the idea but didn't. If he had,he could have
counted on my vote.

 

[bdb13]

A new survey from the Texas Republican Party has Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) defeating former President Trump by 11 points in a hypothetical matchup.

Among voters likely to participate in a 2024 presidential primary in Texas, 43 percent said they would support DeSantis and 32 percent said they back Trump, according to the survey results.

Texas GOP poll shows DeSantis defeating Trump by 11 points in hypothetical primary

A new survey from the Texas Republican Party has Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) defeating former President Trump by 11 points in a hypothetical match-up. Among voters likely to participate in a 2024…

thehill.com

 

[coldseat]

Texas GOP poll shows DeSantis defeating Trump by 11 points in hypothetical primary

A new survey from the Texas Republican Party has Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) defeating former President Trump by 11 points in a hypothetical match-up. Among voters likely to participate in a 2024…

thehill.com

Abbot looking at his state GOP like ...

 

[Optimus Prime]

this could have gone in the media thread also

I almost would like Trump to be the nominee just to Fox goes all in on the Democrat. Does Hannity and Tucker now say how great Biden and democrats are or do they resign if those are the marching orders?
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Rupert Murdoch “made it clear” to Donald Trump in recent days his vast media empire will not support his expected run for re-election, according to a new report.

Sources close to Murdoch at News Corporation told David Parsley, chief news correspondent at British paper i, that Murdoch has spoken to the former president since the midterm elections. Murdoch reportedly told Trump that the disappointing performance of Republicans — particularly candidates of the Trumpian variety — put an end to his political career.

“We have been clear with Donald. There have been conversations between them during which Rupert made it clear to Donald that we cannot back another run for the White House,” a senior News Corp source told Parsley.

Murdoch even went as far to say he would back a Democrat against Trump, Parsley reported:

The source added that the Murdochs would “likely remain neutral” if Joe Biden stands against Mr Trump in 2024. However, the family is open to backing another Democrat candidate should Mr Biden step aside and Mr Trump be on the Republican ticket.
The source said: “If it turns out to be Donald versus Joe then it may be that we just cover the race without any leanings one way or the other.”
However, the source added that if the Democrats could “find a credible candidate to take Joe’s place” then the Murdoch media empire could back the Democrats against Mr Trump “for the sake of stability and a sensible White House”.
The source added that while the Murdochs would consider backing a “non-Biden” candidate against Mr Trump, the chances of doing so were slim: “A lot of things would have to fall into place for that to happen. Joe would not be running, and the Democrats would have to have a new strong candidate. And that is not Kamala [Vice-President Harris]. But I don’t believe the Democrats know who could replace Joe yet so he may well go for a second term, especially given his relative success in the midterms.”

Meanwhile, Rupe’s son Lachlan Murdoch, the chairman of Fox News parent company Fox Corporation, reportedly told Florida Governor Ron DeSantis he has the support of the empire.............

MSN

www.msn.com