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    SteveSBrickNJ

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    Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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    Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
    He won convincingly.
    Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
    Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
    In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
    Here is an interesting article on this topic...
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    What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?
     
    Of course he appointed (or allowed someone like that to be appointed). He also apparently floated the idea of jan 6th pardons if he gets elected president

    (where have we heard rhetoric like this before?)
    Responding to an interview question on “Clay and Buck,” the Florida Governor opened the door to clemency actions on “Day One” surrounding the attempt to halt the certification of the 2020 Presidential Election.

    “The Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation have been weaponized. We see that in a variety of contexts,” DeSantis argued.

    “And so what I’m going to do is on Day One, I will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases (where) people are victims of weaponization or political targeting and we will be aggressive at issuing pardons.”
     
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    What's funny is who was President when all that started? 🤔
    And it’s easy to find clips of both Trump and DeSantis praising Fauci and implementing lockdowns. They want to rewrite history - they think we’re all really stupid.
     
    DeSantis is basically DOA at this point - maybe even forever on a national level because (1) he has zero charisma and (2) he doesn't seem to appreciate the task at hand. Both of those themes are covered in this piece at Atlantic. You don't just show up and run for POTUS. You have to have a vision, a message of what you're offering to the voters - not a recitation of battles and grievances.

    Trump, who is really just a sales and con man, knows that the sell is the biggest part of the task. Especially in 2016, he was selling a vision - a package of not only of wrongs in his eyes but how he planned to make them better for everyday Americans. DeSantis seems to be wholly ignorant of it. And I don't think that he can just turn around and find that element of who he is as a politician.

     
    Oh this dude goin BAAACK to days of Huey Long and his "deduct box"

    for reference
     
    DeSantis is basically DOA at this point - maybe even forever on a national level because (1) he has zero charisma and (2) he doesn't seem to appreciate the task at hand. Both of those themes are covered in this piece at Atlantic. You don't just show up and run for POTUS. You have to have a vision, a message of what you're offering to the voters - not a recitation of battles and grievances.

    Trump, who is really just a sales and con man, knows that the sell is the biggest part of the task. Especially in 2016, he was selling a vision - a package of not only of wrongs in his eyes but how he planned to make them better for everyday Americans. DeSantis seems to be wholly ignorant of it. And I don't think that he can just turn around and find that element of who he is as a politician.

    I don't disagree with any of that, but I'm not sure that conventional wisdom applies to the current version of the Republican Party and primary season. If Trump gets really bogged down with his legal issues, I can see the party turning to DeSantis because I don't see them being supportive of anyone other than Trump or DeSantis. Maybe they'll surprise me, idk.
     
    I don't disagree with any of that, but I'm not sure that conventional wisdom applies to the current version of the Republican Party and primary season. If Trump gets really bogged down with his legal issues, I can see the party turning to DeSantis because I don't see them being supportive of anyone other than Trump or DeSantis. Maybe they'll surprise me, idk.

    I think it's in the context of a general election - he's got zero message or personal appeal and doesn't seem to know he's supposed to have it.
     

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