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    Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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    Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
    He won convincingly.
    Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
    Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
    In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
    Here is an interesting article on this topic...
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    What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?
     
    I should add that once people saw how profitable the Fox “News” paradigm was, all kinds of people piled on. Breitbart, Daily Wire, Daily Caller, OAN, NewsMax all joined in the liar’s club. None of them care if what they do tears our country apart and creates rifts in families. As long as they make a buck.

    A lot of those online outfits are propped up by unnamed billionaires/corporate interest. There was a recent dust up in the conservative online space when Crowder complained about the Daily Wire's "lowball" offer of 50 million. The leftist side was shocked because they don't even see a 10th of that kind of money. Which makes sense when you realize how much they all repeat the same talking points with little divergence.
     
    A lot of those online outfits are propped up by unnamed billionaires/corporate interest. There was a recent dust up in the conservative online space when Crowder complained about the Daily Wire's "lowball" offer of 50 million. The leftist side was shocked because they don't even see a 10th of that kind of money. Which makes sense when you realize how much they all repeat the same talking points with little divergence.
    Yeah, a depressing number of billionaires have broken brains. My family member who watches Fox and I were talking and he brought up Soros, of course. Then he said, and I suppose there are some billionaires who do the same on the right. I thought, really? You don’t even have a clue how many of them there are do you?
     
    Will Trump be arrested on Tuesday? :unsure:
    This article caught me by surprise...
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    Yeah there’s some finer procedural points going on here - but in a white collar case where the defendant is represented and not a flight or other risk, they likely simply agree to appear at an arraignment hearing, there’s no need for actual arrest. Some of the procedures vary by locality and the defendant is required to come in and “surrender” voluntarily to be booked.

    I think Steve Bannon’s case was New York City and he indeed had to appear and surrender to the arraignment. I believe he was briefly cuffed.
     
    What a fraud.


    So Pence wants history to hold Trump accountable but not any current legal options

    Sounds like he wants Trump to get away scot free with everything he’s done now but decades from now “history” can say ‘yeah Trump was guilty AF’
     
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    What a fraud.



    "Indicting a former president is unacceptable" without talking about the charges/case literally means you think former presidents are not subject to criminal prosecution.

    "No one is above the law" - actually, you literally just said the opposite.

    They keep saying this but they don't mean it. They can't mean it - it's not possible to take those two positions at the same time. If they were saying he didn't do it (do what? we don't even know) then fine, but they're not saying that.
     

    I came across this video ( slightly more than 3 minutes) that directly relates to the post I quoted.
    I do NOT see someone "far out of his depth".
    Just watch this and you'll see someone who is calm, poised and focused mostly on saying negative things about the NY prosecutor. The negative comments about hush money are just brief and NOT said with smug facial expressions and NOT with deep sarcastic tonal colors.
    I had a pre conceived notion how this video clip would play out...but I was pleasantly surprised.
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    I came across this video ( slightly more than 3 minutes) that directly relates to the post I quoted.
    I do NOT see someone "far out of his depth".
    Just watch this and you'll see someone who is calm, poised and focused mostly on saying negative things about the NY prosecutor. The negative comments about hush money are just brief and NOT said with smug facial expressions and NOT with deep sarcastic tonal colors.
    I had a pre conceived notion how this video clip would play out...but I was pleasantly surprised.
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    I think the “out of his depth” was purely in reference to how low Trump is willing to go and how DeSantis isn’t. It may work out for him - we’ll see.

    The whole “Soros-funded prosecutor” bizness isn’t going to play with the independents but you’re right that he refused to engage with it to trash Trump. And of course, we know that Trump will trash Ronny D any chance he gets. So we’ll just have to see how that pans out. The GOP base loves the trash talk. They think it’s presidential.
     
    I think the “out of his depth” was purely in reference to how low Trump is willing to go and how DeSantis isn’t. It may work out for him - we’ll see.

    The whole “Soros-funded prosecutor” bizness isn’t going to play with the independents but you’re right that he refused to engage with it to trash Trump. And of course, we know that Trump will trash Ronny D any chance he gets. So we’ll just have to see how that pans out. The GOP base loves the trash talk. They think it’s presidential.
    Exactly this. However I’m not really keen on the disrespect for the rule of law shown by DeSantis here. (and many other Rs to be fair).

    Didn’t Rs just spend Trump’s entire term fantasizing about putting all their political opponents in jail? And executing them? Even when no actual crimes could be identified or were even alleged?

    All this talk about “weaponized” justice and “Soros-funded” prosecutors is just naked hypocrisy. And an anti-Semitic dog whistle to boot.
     
    I think the “out of his depth” was purely in reference to how low Trump is willing to go and how DeSantis isn’t. It may work out for him - we’ll see.

    The whole “Soros-funded prosecutor” bizness isn’t going to play with the independents but you’re right that he refused to engage with it to trash Trump. And of course, we know that Trump will trash Ronny D any chance he gets. So we’ll just have to see how that pans out. The GOP base loves the trash talk. They think it’s presidential.
    Thanks for expanding on the prior post 😉
     
    Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ support in a potential Republican presidential primary has dropped to its lowest yet as he faces a torrent of criticism from establishment Republicans for his remarks on Ukraine and attacks from Donald Trump, according to a new poll.

    The Morning Consult survey found that a 54 per cent of potential GOP primary voters support former president Donald Trump, who announced his candidacy for 2024 in November.

    Slightly less than half of them support Mr DeSantis, who has yet to announce his candidacy, at 26 per cent, his lowest level since The Morning Consult began tracking his numbers in December 2022……

     
    Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ support in a potential Republican presidential primary has dropped to its lowest yet as he faces a torrent of criticism from establishment Republicans for his remarks on Ukraine and attacks from Donald Trump, according to a new poll.

    The Morning Consult survey found that a 54 per cent of potential GOP primary voters support former president Donald Trump, who announced his candidacy for 2024 in November.

    Slightly less than half of them support Mr DeSantis, who has yet to announce his candidacy, at 26 per cent, his lowest level since The Morning Consult began tracking his numbers in December 2022……

    I appreciate the factual words @Optimus Prime shared.
    Yet the article within his post mentions DeSantis "mocked Trump" on his indictment.
    DeSantis did NOT do that.
    DeSantis said "I cannot speak to what it is like to be accused of paying hush money to a porn star" He said that in response to a reporter's question....and as DeSantis answered the question he did NOT display any Trump-like smug face...and DeSantis' voice was matter of fact.
    Then he moved on. NOT mocking.
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    Here is the 3 minute or so clip...

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    The way this clip presents itself before you click it is deceptive as well.
    DeSantis is NOT pointing his finger or making a face as he says the words about Trump's indictment.
     
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    I appreciate the factual words @Optimus Prime shared.
    Yet the article within his post mentions DeSantis "mocked Trump" on his indictment.
    DeSantis did NOT do that.
    DeSantis said "I cannot speak to what it is like to be accused of paying hush money to a porn star"...but he did NOT display any Trump-like smug face...and his voice was matter of fact.
    Then he moved on.
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    Here is the 3 minute or so clip...

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    The way this clip presents itself before you click it is deceptive as well.
    DeSantis is NOT pointing his finger or making a face as he says the words about Trump's indictment.


    Of course he was mocking Trump. His comments had nothing to do with the question at hand, which was the governor's role in any potential extradition process.

    Also, can we talk about how stood there with a straight face and dropped some anti-semitic dog whistles and unironically complained about an elected official "weaponizing their office to impose a political agenda"?
     

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