2024 GOP Presidential Race (6 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[Taurus]

Lol, he's forked with the DeSantis thing and he sort of knows it and doesn't know what to do now imo.. none of the shirt he's saying or will say here is actually going to land and it's only going to serve to make Trump look desperate and ridiculous while DeSantis plays it cool and in the process makes it easier for holdouts to move on to someone who they'll see as a natural heir to the MAGA movement that now transcends Trump himself.

This shirt can work when your supporters view the one you're attacking as an enemy but when they don't it's entirely different.

The thing is, if he just never shuts up, his will be the only voice The Base hears. It doesn't matter if it's lies. It doesn't matter it it's nothing but pitiful whining or that it's even coherent. What'll matter is that he's the one on the news, just like 2016.

It's sad that so many otherwise savvy political operators got hornswoggled by Trump.

Once he won the White House, his usefulness ended. He's been nothing but a drag on the party since 2017 and they had two chances to end him.

The Dems had him hooked, brought to the boat and netted, all the GOP had to do was flip him over the gunwale and dispatch him. (Not to mention looking like heroes for doing it) But their inherent cowardice overcame them and they let him go.

Since then he's cost them the House, Senate, Presidency, seats in 2022 and hundreds of thousands of lives.

Guys, just ditch the mewling punk already!

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Trump lashes out at ‘average’ DeSantis, as their political rivalry comes to a boil

In a statement of remarkable vitriol and length, former President Donald Trump lashed out Thursday at Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, whose commanding re-election win on Tuesday has, according to some political observers, catapulted him to front-runner status in the 2024 Republican presidential primary.

www.yahoo.com

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Next week's press conference of Trump announcing his 2024 candidacy is going to be... as the kids say... "lit!"

 

[superchuck500]

But while we’re scoring at home, DeSantis hasn’t said a damn thing about Trump.

So the question is, will he? When?

I can see various strategies but I do personally see the merit in not saying anything unless/until you have to. Trump typically does more damage to himself than anyone else, at least these days - so let him keep going.

But at the same time, it’s never going to be on until DeSantis steps up and declares it’s on. At some point, not doing anything will turn to weakness - though not any time soon I don’t think.

 

[MT15]

DeSantis probably won’t say anything until he can figure out what he can say without losing the Trump cult. He’s been kissing Trump’s butt for a good while - remember the ad where he read a Trump bedtime story to his kid? So cringey.

 

[CoolBrees]

Count me in the group that thinks the Republicans will figure out in about three days that the easiest way to end this is let Trump get indicted for taking the documents. They can stay totally clean on that one and he is caught red handed. All they have to do is just stop blocking investigations

Or that DeSantis is petty and conniving enough to use his office power to go after Trump the Florida resident who has been known to be a tax fraud amongst other crimes.

 

[Bolo]

Trump gave himself away, he wouldn't be tweeting about DeSantis and comparing votes if he wasn't planning to run. I think most people are right to believe its the worst kept "secret". I don't even think DeSantis should even address it, he has 0 to gain from it. If he's asked about it, DeSantis should just dismiss it and say Thats Trump being Trump and that he doesn't pay any mind to it and reiterate his focus is on Florida and Ian clean up.

The best move is to not feed the troll. Trump is SALAVATING for DeSantis to take that bait.

 

[Saintman2884]

DeSantis probably won’t say anything until he can figure out what he can say without losing the Trump cult. He’s been kissing Trump’s butt for a good while - remember the ad where he read a Trump bedtime story to his kid? So cringey.

I think Desantis knows he won't be able win over all of the Trump MAGA cult. That's not a realistic political calculation or scenario. But if he can capture or win over some of them who may now be viewing Trump's appeal and messages as toxic, counter-productive, and deranged, they'll at least listen, perhaps. Some of you believe Desantis winning over some of Trump's MAGA cult is all-or-nothing, and while that sentiment might've been true 2-3 years ago, right now, if he can win over 60% of Trump's base, that's a decent-to-good percentage to start at or work with.

Sure, Desantis had to kiss Trump's arse, it was an embarrassing, humiliating albeit political necessity 2-3 years ago or in 2018 when he was still the unchallenged, undisputed MAGA king. So did Mitch McConnell and right now, McConnell's personal, private view of Trump is that he is a proven loser and what Mitch McConell thinks or says even in private or public goes a long way even if he can't control 5-10% of the Republican senators like Hawley, or to a lesser extent, Graham. The national political dynamics and out look has changed significantly and even Trump himself knows in private that maybe after this mid-term disaster, his power and control over the GOP won't be what it was a year ago. What else do you think explains the reports of him being "extremely furious" and "irate" when he saw a lot less R's being elected to House and Senate. He knows what was promised and what failed to occur and he's also cognizant of the fact that he made many of these bold, outrageous claims about these midterms being a "red wave" and how the GOP national leadership and how some in his own support base will perceive his worth and value because of it.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

If DeSantis has half a brain he'll realize he's in his mid-forties and can just sit and wait for 2028. Getting into a war with Trump would destroy his political future outside the state of Florida.

 

[superchuck500]

If DeSantis has half a brain he'll realize he's in his mid-forties and can just sit and wait for 2028. Getting into a war with Trump would destroy his political future outside the state of Florida.

I don’t know, I think he’s got everything he needs now. The party strategists want him in. Trump is just about dead-man walking barring some totally unexpected comeback but he’s such a dead horse at this point. Same old song and dance about how great he is but what is he really offering? And he’s almost certain to lose.

Plus the Democrat slate is weak. You have a very old, weak incumbent who might not even run. You have no source of succession from the VP office.

DeSantis should seize the opportunity. Who knows who else may rise up between now and the 2028 cycle, on either side.

 

[SFIDC3]

To many of the MAGA cultist believe Trump is “the chosen one” …..unless he endorses someone else as such (and that seems pretty unlikely given his massive ego) then DeSantis will become the enemy and that hopefully leads to the absolute implosion of the Repub party…..and they really, really deserve that….

 

[bdb13]

I don’t know, I think he’s got everything he needs now. The party strategists want him in. Trump is just about dead-man walking barring some totally unexpected comeback but he’s such a dead horse at this point. Same old song and dance about how great he is but what is he really offering? And he’s almost certain to lose.

Plus the Democrat slate is weak. You have a very old, weak incumbent who might not even run. You have no source of succession from the VP office.

DeSantis should seize the opportunity. Who knows who else may rise up between now and the 2028 cycle, on either side.

Maybe it's because I'm in Florida and I'm misjudging the situation based upon that but I feel like DeSantis is in an entirely different position than anyone Trump has run into on the Republican side since he declared he was running for President in 2015.

The guy's already a Republican rockstar as governor and pretty nationally known and about to have Republican media really pumping up the absolute shirt out of him to an audience he's in lockstep with politically.

I think people are going to be surprised at how easy it is for Trump's support to slide to DeSantis.

 

[bdb13]

To many of the MAGA cultist believe Trump is “the chosen one” …..unless he endorses someone else as such (and that seems pretty unlikely given his massive ego) then DeSantis will become the enemy and that hopefully leads to the absolute implosion of the Repub party…..and they really, really deserve that….

Again, maybe I'm misjudging.. but I think the 'MAGA cult' is getting to the point now where it transcends Trump and I think DeSantis can take the mantle from him basically just by doing what he's been doing.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I don’t know, I think he’s got everything he needs now. The party strategists want him in. Trump is just about dead-man walking barring some totally unexpected comeback but he’s such a dead horse at this point. Same old song and dance about how great he is but what is he really offering? And he’s almost certain to lose.

Plus the Democrat slate is weak. You have a very old, weak incumbent who might not even run. You have no source of succession from the VP office.

DeSantis should seize the opportunity. Who knows who else may rise up between now and the 2028 cycle, on either side.

The GOP can marginalize Trump but he'll still probably take at least 20-30% of their voter base with him which would cripple their general election chances. I do agree about Biden, though. The Dems need to move on and NOT to Harris. I've always touted Mark Kelly (who seems to be on track to win reelection). A ticket of Kelly and Peltola out of Alaska would be fairly strong. They aren't overly-woke on social issues and are both pretty genuine/non-beltway insider types.

Edited to add: But the Dems will fork it up and go with Harris or something even more laughable like Hillary.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Again, maybe I'm misjudging.. but I think the 'MAGA cult' is getting to the point now where it transcends Trump and I think DeSantis can take the mantle from him basically just by doing what he's been doing.

The mindset definitely transcends Trump. I've always laughed when I see people try to boil down complaints to 'orange man bad!' However, DeSantis is not going to walk away from a fight with Trump with all of Trump's supporters.

 

[bdb13]

The GOP can marginalize Trump but he'll still probably take at least 20-30% of their voter base with him which would cripple their general election chances. I do agree about Biden, though. The Dems need to move on and NOT to Harris. I've always touted Mark Kelly (who seems to be on track to win reelection). A ticket of Kelly and Peltola out of Alaska would be fairly strong. They aren't overly-woke on social issues and are both pretty genuine/non-beltway insider types.

Trump may run as an independent but I don't think they should or will operate with that notion in mind which would on its own cripple anyone else's opportunity at the nomination.

 

[bdb13]

The mindset definitely transcends Trump. I've always laughed when I see people try to boil down complaints to 'orange man bad!' However, DeSantis is not going to walk away from a fight with Trump with all of Trump's supporters.

There is a lot of time for conservative media to help position DeSantis to take on Trump and help make the transition from Trump to DeSantis seem organic.. so much time between now and whatever the first primary would be in 2024.

 

[SFIDC3]

Again, maybe I'm misjudging.. but I think the 'MAGA cult' is getting to the point now where it transcends Trump and I think DeSantis can take the mantle from him basically just by doing what he's been doing.

I think you are, Trump is a different kind of candidate that strongly appeals to the way too many whack jobs out there….I really don’t think DeSantis changes that…..I agree with Saul on the 20-30% and hope it is true…..because if it is he will pretty much marginalize what the Repub party has become….and they so richly deserve this…