2024 GOP Presidential Race (6 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[bird]

Iowa evangelicals have reportedly turned against Trump.

Hey, Rev. Bob? Your vote most certainly is for sale.

 

[Optimus Prime]

PHOENIX (AP) — The 2024 presidential election is drawing an unusually robust field of independent, third party and long shot candidates hoping to capitalize on Americans’ ambivalence and frustration over a likely rematch between Democrat Joe Biden and Republican Donald Trump.

Those looking to blaze a new path to the White House range from members of Congress to a prominent academic and a scion of one of the county’s most prominent political families.

Their odds are exceedingly long.

George Washington was the only person to win the presidency without a party affiliation. An incumbent hasn’t lost his party’s presidential nomination since Democrats passed over Franklin Pierce in 1856. Abraham Lincoln’s election in 1860 marked the last time someone from a new party — in his case, the Republican Party — won the White House.

But with the United States deeply divided and somewhat anxious about the prospect of another Biden-Trump campaign, third party candidates insist voters are restless enough to defy history.

“This is really fertile ground now for independent politics,” Jill Stein, the Green Party nominee in 2012 and 2016, said in an interview. “There’s so much hunger for a principled politics, a politics of integrity, and for options outside of the two zombie candidates that are being forced down our throats, and the two zombie political parties.”

Little-known candidates with no chance of victory run every year and sometimes piece together enough votes to make a difference in close races, even if they don’t win. But the activity this fall has been notable.…….

Many voters are weary about a Biden-Trump rematch in 2024. Third parties hope they can fill the gap

The 2024 presidential election is drawing a robust field of independent, third party and long shot candidates.

apnews.com

 

[Taurus]

Hey, Rev. Bob? Your vote most certainly is for sale.

Also, we all know he'll vote for Chump in the general. So it's all just whingeing in the wind.

You're a birch, Reverend. A weak, pathetic little birch who'll vote GOP even if the candidate has directly insulted you. Even if he touches your wife or your daughter so don't even pretend for a second you've got a moral foundation or a backbone.

Vote Dem or shut up, birch jellyfish

 

[Optimus Prime]

Ron DeSantis’s chief elections fraud official collapsed after abruptly leaving a “contentious” meeting in the Florida governor’s office, then lay dead or dying for almost half an hour in the hallway outside until he was found, an investigation published on Monday has revealed.

Previously unreported details of the September 2022 death of Peter Antonacci in the Tallahassee capitol building appeared on the website of the Florida Bulldog, an independent online watchdog of the state’s politics and government.

The outlet, acting on a tip-off that Antonacci, 74, died after an argument with DeSantis, submitted a public information records request to obtain redacted documents from the Florida department of law enforcement (FDLE).

None of the 17 pages, which the Bulldog released online, confirm that DeSantis was actually present at the meeting in a conference room at his own office, attended by, among others, Florida’s secretary of state, James Byrd, and Mark Glass, the FDLE commissioner.

But they did reveal other details that were until now not publicly disclosed, including that Antonacci died after a heated meeting in the governor’s office, rather than generically “at work in the Capitol building” as first stated; and that he lay undiscovered for 24 minutes after he collapsed in the hallway immediately outside.

During the meeting, the purpose of which was redacted from the papers, Antonacci became “agitated” and “frustrated” at various times, witnesses said.

The Bulldog does not allege criminal wrongdoing by any party and the documents paint a picture of frantic efforts to revive Antonacci, who had a history of cardiac problems, once he was finally found.

Its report, however, highlights the veil of secrecy that was thrown over the incident and its aftermath, including where it took place, who was present and why Antonacci might have become upset or angry during the meeting. The redactions on the paperwork hide the identities of all of the “10 to 15 people” reported to be present, while still images and video of the episode were withheld entirely.……

Florida state official lay collapsed for 24 minutes outside Ron DeSantis’s office

Peter Antonacci, the chief elections fraud official, died after a heated meeting in the governor’s office and slumped in the hallway

www.theguardian.com

 

[superchuck500]

Koch-backed super PAC endorses Nikki Haley as a Trump alternative

The funding network unlocks potentially tens of millions for the former South Carolina governor.

www.politico.com

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Koch-backed super PAC endorses Nikki Haley as a Trump alternative

The funding network unlocks potentially tens of millions for the former South Carolina governor.

www.politico.com

I kinda liked her for a while, not that I'd vote for her, but her ads are annoying me now.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I kinda liked her for a while, not that I'd vote for her, but her ads are annoying me now.

I'm not watching "regular tv" very much. I mostly watch Tennis, Hockey and streaming stuff on Netflix. therefore I'm not seeing any political commercials/ads.
IF you have the time, please tell me about the Nikki Haley ads.
What is her campaign staff trying to get across to the viewer?
...and.......
what turns you off about her ads?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

I'm not watching "regular tv" very much. I mostly watch Tennis, Hockey and streaming stuff on Netflix. therefore I'm not seeing any political commercials/ads.
IF you have the time, please tell me about the Nikki Haley ads.
What is her campaign staff trying to get across to the viewer?
...and.......
what turns you off about her ads?

The ads I'm referring to are about our southern border. I'm not sure why they annoy me but they do. It may be because it's such an easy target.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Let’s stop the wishful thinking and face the stark reality: There is a clear path to dictatorship in the United States, and it is getting shorter every day.

In 13 weeks, Donald Trump will have locked up the Republican nomination. In the RealClearPolitics poll average (for the period from Nov. 9 to 20), Trump leads his nearest competitor by 47 points and leads the rest of the field combined by 27 points.

The idea that he is unelectable in the general election is nonsense — he is tied or ahead of President Biden in all the latest polls — stripping other Republican challengers of their own stated reasons for existence.

The fact that many Americans might prefer other candidates, much ballyhooed by such political sages as Karl Rove, will soon become irrelevant when millions of Republican voters turn out to choose the person whom no one allegedly wants.


For many months now, we have been living in a world of self-delusion, rich with imagined possibilities. Maybe it will be Ron DeSantis, or maybe Nikki Haley. Maybe the myriad indictments of Trump will doom him with Republican suburbanites.

Such hopeful speculation has allowed us to drift along passively, conducting business as usual, taking no dramatic action to change course, in the hope and expectation that something will happen.

Like people on a riverboat, we have long known there is a waterfall ahead but assume we will somehow find our way to shore before we go over the edge.

But now the actions required to get us to shore are looking harder and harder, if not downright impossible.


The magical-thinking phase is ending. Barring some miracle, Trump will soon be the presumptive Republican nominee for president. When that happens, there will be a swift and dramatic shift in the political power dynamic, in his favor.

Until now, Republicans and conservatives have enjoyed relative freedom to express anti-Trump sentiments, to speak openly and positively about alternative candidates, to vent criticisms of Trump’s behavior past and present.

Donors who find Trump distasteful have been free to spread their money around to help his competitors. Establishment Republicans have made no secret of their hope that Trump will be convicted and thus removed from the equation without their having to take a stand against him.

All this will end once Trump wins Super Tuesday. Votes are the currency of power in our system, and money follows, and by those measures, Trump is about to become far more powerful than he already is. The hour of casting about for alternatives is closing. The next phase is about people falling into line……,,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/30/trump-dictator-2024-election-robert-kagan/

 

[Optimus Prime]

CNN made a good point that I can;t believe I didn't think of before

If for whatever reason (other than his death) Trump is not the nominee he will not go quietly into that good night.

He will be loud, rude, abrasive, offensive and a major distraction and the lion's share of his vitriol will be directed at whoever the nominee is and the RINOs who voted for that person

 

[MT15]

This might be correct:

 

[Booker]

This might be correct:

I think this is true. Four years ago Biden was polling third behind Sanders and Warren, and was very few people's first choice. But matched up against Trump he ended up receiving a record number of votes for President.

 

[efil4]

Trump also motivates young voters - that 18-25 range that are becoming more involved in their future ( or what Rs call "woke" )

 

[MT15]

Evidently the debate on Fox moderated by Hannity isn’t going well for DeSantis, lol. Talk about home court advantage, and I’m reading that Newsom is just abusing him.

 

[MT15]

Not surprising at all

 

[Optimus Prime]

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Three senior members of a super PAC backing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis left the group on Saturday, the latest sign of instability within the 2024 hopeful’s political operation just six weeks before the Iowa Republican caucuses.

Kristin Davison parted ways with Never Back Down just after she took over leading the group following the departure of CEO Chris Jankowski less than two weeks ago. Also leaving Saturday were communications director Erin Perrine and director of operations Matt Palmisano, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss Never Back Down’s internal operations. Davison’s departure was first reported by Politico.…..

Three officials have left a pro-DeSantis super PAC in the group's latest shake-up, AP sources say

Three senior members of Never Back Down, a superPAC backing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, have left the group in the latest signs of instability within the 2024 hopeful’s political operation.

apnews.com

 

[DaveXA]

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Three senior members of a super PAC backing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis left the group on Saturday, the latest sign of instability within the 2024 hopeful’s political operation just six weeks before the Iowa Republican caucuses.

Kristin Davison parted ways with Never Back Down just after she took over leading the group following the departure of CEO Chris Jankowski less than two weeks ago. Also leaving Saturday were communications director Erin Perrine and director of operations Matt Palmisano, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss Never Back Down’s internal operations. Davison’s departure was first reported by Politico.…..

Three officials have left a pro-DeSantis super PAC in the group's latest shake-up, AP sources say

Three senior members of Never Back Down, a superPAC backing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, have left the group in the latest signs of instability within the 2024 hopeful’s political operation.

apnews.com

So much for never back down, eh?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Does this count as one down if people forgot he was even running?
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North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum ended his campaign for the presidency on Monday ahead of the fourth Republican primary debatein Alabama.

Mr Burgum, 67, had poured millions of his own money into his presidential bid but after an initial meetup of the candidates in August failed to reach the polling requirements necessary for attendance at successive GOPprimary debates. He sought to run on his record as governor, but had little name recogniton at the national level……

North Dakota governor Doug Burgum suspends his 2024 campaign

North Dakota governor failed to qualify for fourth GOP debate in Alabama

www.the-independent.com