2024 GOP Presidential Race (2 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[Optimus Prime]

So much for never back down, eh?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Does this count as one down if people forgot he was even running?
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North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum ended his campaign for the presidency on Monday ahead of the fourth Republican primary debatein Alabama.

Mr Burgum, 67, had poured millions of his own money into his presidential bid but after an initial meetup of the candidates in August failed to reach the polling requirements necessary for attendance at successive GOPprimary debates. He sought to run on his record as governor, but had little name recogniton at the national level……

North Dakota governor Doug Burgum suspends his 2024 campaign

North Dakota governor failed to qualify for fourth GOP debate in Alabama

www.the-independent.com

I don't know what he was thinking. Some people in his inner circle must have persuaded him that he could make a splash on a televised debate and the whole country would flock to him.
That was so unrealistic.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Fox News' Brit Hume Gives Republicans Damning Reality Check About Trump 2024

The longtime network analyst says there's a single reason Republicans may not want him on the ballot next year.

www.yahoo.com

 

[GrandAdmiral]

This might be correct:

I think he can beat DeSantis as well.

 

[itsclaireburks]

I think he can beat DeSantis as well.

I would hate to see someone from the Republican Party who embodies Trump philosophies but packages it in a pretty political package. What is more dangerous that having an unhenged Trump is having someone with similar view points who actually can hold their self together. Then they will get a portion of his base and the larger GOP base as well...

 

[Optimus Prime]

Liz Cheney, one of the most vociferous critics of Donald Trump in the Republican Party, says she is weighing whether to mount her own third-party candidacy for the White House, as she vows to do “whatever it takes” to prevent the former president from returning to office.

While promoting her new book “Oath and Honor: A Memoir and a Warning,” the former Wyoming congresswoman — who was defeated by a Trump loyalist last year — is warning that Trump could transform America’s democracy into a dictatorship if he is reelected; anticipating, she said, that he would attempt to stay longer than his term.

“Several years ago, I would not have contemplated a third-party run,” Cheney said in a Monday interview with The Washington Post. But, she said, “I happen to think democracy is at risk at home, obviously, as a result of Donald Trump’s continued grip on the Republican Party, and I think democracy is at risk internationally as well.”

Given her appeal to independents, former Republicans and some Democrats, many Trump critics in both parties have noted that a presidential run by Cheney could undercut her stated goal of defeating Trump, because it could draw some votes away from President Biden. Cheney said those considerations would all be part of her analysis, and underscored that she would not do anything that would help Trump return to the White House.

Cheney, whose father is former vice president Dick Cheney, said she will make a final decision in the next few months. “We face threats that could be existential to the United States and we need a candidate who is going to be able to deal with and address and confront all of those challenges,” Cheney said. “That will all be part of my calculation as we go into the early months of 2024.”

The former congresswoman would face a daunting task if she decides to run — and not just because of the deep antipathy toward her that Trump fostered among many Republicans as he urged them to cast her from office. To run for president outside the two-party system in America, candidates must either attach themselves to third parties that have ballot access or petition for their own place on state ballots, which can be a costly and cumbersome process.

In order for a candidate to participate in the debates organized by The Commission on Presidential Debates next fall, they must have at least 15 percent support in national polls and are required to meet other criteria…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/12/05/liz-cheney-trump-president-2024/

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

It's getting a bit late for ANYBODY to start from scratch and throw their name in the ring.
If Cheyney is gonna do it she should do it today or tomorrow.
Which of course she's not ready to do so. She's ready to sell books though.
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Trump or Haley
Biden or Newsom
Those are the viable candidates.
(Obviously Newsom will only be a candidate if Biden withdraws...which seemingly won't happen)

 

[LA - L.A.]

It's getting a bit late for ANYBODY to start from scratch and throw their name in the ring.
If Cheyney is gonna do it she should do it today or tomorrow.
Which of course she's not ready to do so. She's ready to sell books though.
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Trump or Haley
Biden or Newsom
Those are the viable candidates.
(Obviously Newsom will only be a candidate if Biden withdraws...which seemingly won't happen)

I'm confused by your post. Haven't you declared you don't want Trump to win? Haven't you been promoting third party candidates versus voting for Trump or Biden, even when people pointed out to you voting for those candidates would likely help Trump win? Haven't you argued that some of those third party candidates were viable candidates?

Now you're dismissing Cheney as a viable third party candidate? Why? Cheney has stated that she will only run if it's likely here run will keep Trump from winning? Isn't that ultimately what you want, for Trump to lose? What changed your opinion on supporting and promoting third party candidates instead of Trump or Biden?

 

[bird]

DeSantis slams CFP, wants to sue over FSU snub

Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis said he is asking for $1 million to let Florida State sue the College Football Playoff committee over its decision to exclude the Seminoles from the playoff.

www.espn.com

The idiot known as Ron DeathSantis wants to sue over Florida State not being in the CFP.

Great. What a waste of time, bandwidth and resources.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I'm confused by your post. Haven't you declared you don't want Trump to win? Haven't you been promoting third party candidates versus voting for Trump or Biden, even when people pointed out to you voting for those candidates would likely help Trump win? Haven't you argued that some of those third party candidates were viable candidates?

Now you're dismissing Cheney as a viable third party candidate? Why? Cheney has stated that she will only run if it's likely here run will keep Trump from winning? Isn't that ultimately what you want, for Trump to lose? What changed your opinion on supporting and promoting third party candidates instead of Trump or Biden?

It only appears that I am changing course but that is an illusion.
My post that confuses you is not about me...but about the political reality.
I would have wished Manchin and Cheyney were already in it.
If they wanted to be the next President....they should be ALREADY in it.
I'm just playing the role of a political observer.
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Yet for me personally, which is something totally separate and irrelevant....but for me personally I will not vote for Biden or Trump.
That hasn't changed.
If you've been paying attention, I am hoping against hope that Nikki Haley is the GOP nominee.
That does not seem likely according to most people, but it IS possible.
It's not over until its over.

 

[LA - L.A.]

If they wanted to be the next President....they should be ALREADY in it.
I'm just playing the role of a political observer.

Did you not observe Cheney saying if she runs it will be solely to keep Trump from winning? Cheney makes it clear she knows she can't win.

In my opinion, Haley is Trump and DeSantos in sheepskin.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Did you not observe Cheney saying if she runs it will be solely to keep Trump from winning? Cheney makes it clear she knows she can't win.

In my opinion, Haley is Trump and DeSantos in sheepskin.

and i think Cheney could also pull Dems if she ran Third Party. honestly I'm not sure who'd she hurt more at this point.

 

[bird]

It only appears that I am changing course but that is an illusion.
My post that confuses you is not about me...but about the political reality.
I would have wished Manchin and Cheyney were already in it.
If they wanted to be the next President....they should be ALREADY in it.
I'm just playing the role of a political observer.
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Yet for me personally, which is something totally separate and irrelevant....but for me personally I will not vote for Biden or Trump.
That hasn't changed.
If you've been paying attention, I am hoping against hope that Nikki Haley is the GOP nominee.
That does not seem likely according to most people, but it IS possible.
It's not over until its over.

Biden is about as centrist as you can get. There actually is no radical left that wields any real power. There is sound and fury but that has not and very likely will not manifest as policy and law.

Manchin is not and never has been even centrist but right wing. Haley could have shown disgust at Trump and not accepted the UN appointment.

Moral courage and commitment is lacking in the entire Republican Party. All that there is left is, primarily, white rage. Rage against anything and everything that represents demographic change, that represents change from so-called traditional translated as rigid belief structures. The water will destroy the rock no matter how much the rock thinks it can resist.

 

[MT15]

and i think Cheney could also pull Dems if she ran Third Party. honestly I'm not sure who'd she hurt more at this point.

I agree. She would pull people who were never going to vote for Trump and are uncomfortable voting for Biden. The people who vote for Cheney were NEVER going to vote for Trump. She’s not going to pull Trump voters, IMO.

 

[LA - L.A.]

and i think Cheney could also pull Dems if she ran Third Party. honestly I'm not sure who'd she hurt more at this point.

She implied she will only run if she's certain it would increase the chances of Trump losing. Taking her at her word, she's only looking at all the ways she can help make sure Trump doesn't win.

 

[DaveXA]

I agree. She would pull people who were never going to vote for Trump and are uncomfortable voting for Biden. The people who vote for Cheney were NEVER going to vote for Trump. She’s not going to pull Trump voters, IMO.

Yeah, ain't no Trumpers voting for her unless Trump isn't in the picture. Where she could do the most damage is in the primaries. I think she could win primaries in some states, but I doubt it would be enough to beat Trump.

In the general, it'd be a wash imo. She's gonna pull a lot of centrists from both parties, but won't be able to peel off enough Trumpers to be a real threat to win. Ultimately, I think she hurts Biden more because there's plenty of centrist discontent with Biden right now. Would favor Trump.

It just bugs the hell out of me that we can't do better than a Biden-Trump redeux. It's insanity. I think Trump has a legitimate chance of beating Biden. Almost any other centrist Democrat wins easily imo.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Should Chris Christie drop out?
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Christie faces growing GOP pressure to drop out: ‘He’s dividing the vote’

Pressure is growing on former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie to drop out of the GOP primary in order to clear a path for either Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis or former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, as Republicans look for a viable alternative to former President Trump. Christie has largely centered...

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