2024 GOP Presidential Race (3 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[superchuck500]

Yea I think she’s playing long game for the general, but knows she has to throw in some red meat every now and then to make it out of the primary.

She's kind of always been like that.

She was instrumental in having the confederate flag removed from the South Carolina capital after the Charleston shooting . . . which was long overdue in 2015. But then she turns around and regularly says that racism isn't a problem in America. She presents a very modern view of women's issues, which is a big contrast to much of the populist evangelical GOP these days, but her record includes sending a notorious right-wing hardliner, outspoken anti-LGBT activist to serve on the UN women's rights committee.

So many times it seems like this is a sensible person who respects the need for moderation and is capable of being strong against the extremists, but then she'll drop some soundbite to remind you that she really is a work in progress - I think she has competing instincts both in her politics and her own viewpoint.

 

[superchuck500]

for what it's worth
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The Republican candidates for president revealed more than they thought on Wednesday night.

I’ve been studying nonverbal communication for over 50 years, 25 of them as an FBI agent specializing in decoding human behavior. I learned that humans are fairly good at lying — but they’re lousy at concealing their true emotions, especially when stressed. We reveal our unspoken thoughts in our bodies: faces flushed with embarrassment, lips pursed at unwelcome questions, fingers covering the neck dimple when discussing a touchy subject. I once interviewed a spy whose cigarette hand shook every time I mentioned the name of a co-conspirator.

Body language is the primary means by which we communicate, revealing our true thoughts and feelings. It tells stories that canned speeches do not.

And what a story it told at last night’s GOP primary debate.

As the eight Republican candidates — Trump, the frontrunner, was conspicuously absent — traded rhetorical blows, I watched with the sound off to focus solely on their body language: the handshakes, the gestures, the revealing facial expressions. Then I turned the sound on to assess how their tone of voice and words matched or conflicted with their nonverbal language. Through body language alone, the candidates revealed their passion, their resolve, their hopes and fears — and they might just have won some precious undecided voters to their side.

Here’s what I noticed at this debate:

Ron DeSantis looked angry​

As Trump’s closest rival, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis spoke first. He was a little nervous, as to be expected from the opening candidate: His lips quivered. He also looked almost angry. His voice was forceful and lacked modulation, which made it hard for viewers to distinguish his most important points. And throughout most of the event, he failed to smile. That may not seem like much, but part of leading is showing all sides of your personality.

DeSantis has been criticized — even by his own party! — for being socially inept. But I did not see that. I saw a very serious candidate who is concerned about the issues; it’s clear from the tension in his face. His glabella (the space between your eyebrows) furrowed, which along with his emphatic hand gestures expressed his concern. DeSantis’ body language may not have communicated likeability, an important factor for undecided voters looking for a candidate they can trust, but he did show viewers that he considers the issues raised in the debate to be of the utmost importance.

Vivek Ramaswamy had a ball​

Former biotech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy consistently looked the most comfortable on stage, almost as if he was having fun. He smiled frequently and seemed to enjoy the audience’s chorus of cheers and boos.

His gestures were the broadest and the most emphatic of the pack. When you make broad gestures, you lend more power to your words than someone gesturing lightly or not at all. Ramaswamy also made repeated use of what’s called a precision grip — with his index finger and thumb making an OK sign — which people use to show that they have command of a topic.

His beaming smile garnered attention and defanged his detractors. But former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley turned that smile into what we call a grimace — teeth visible, high tension in the face — during one of their fiery interchanges. In part, that could be because Ramaswamy spread his arms so wide that he infringed on Haley’s space, a violation our brains interpret as threatening..........

Nikki Haley tensed her jaw for a fight​

Former South Carolina Governor and Secretary to the United Nations Nikki Haley used her hands to demarcate her arguments, but it was the tension in her face that jumped out to me. She tensed her jaw as she spoke, demonstrative of her conviction. Her voice varied more than the other candidates, reflecting a range of nuanced feelings about the complex topics they discussed.

Haley also delivered one of the highlights of the debate when she unleashed an unrelenting vocal barrage on Ramaswamy, who clashed with her multiple times. It revealed her strong will, her passion and her years of experience. Her body language told her opponents that she is not to be trifled with...........

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I really think Ron DeSantis hates everyone. He just seems to have contempt for anything and everything happening around him. It's almost comical at times.

 

[brandon]

She's kind of always been like that.

She was instrumental in having the confederate flag removed from the South Carolina capital after the Charleston shooting . . . which was long overdue in 2015. But then she turns around and regularly says that racism isn't a problem in America. She presents a very modern view of women's issues, which is a big contrast to much of the populist evangelical GOP these days, but her record includes sending a notorious right-wing hardliner, outspoken anti-LGBT activist to serve on the UN women's rights committee.

So many times it seems like this is a sensible person who respects the need for moderation and is capable of being strong against the extremists, but then she'll drop some soundbite to remind you that she really is a work in progress - I think she has competing instincts both in her politics and her own viewpoint.

I don’t think there’s as much inner conflict as you give her credit for.

I think it’s much more calculated talking out of both sides of her mouth.

 

[superchuck500]

I don’t think there’s as much inner conflict as you give her credit for.

I think it’s much more calculated talking out of both sides of her mouth.

That's fair I suppose.

 

[Lapaz]

She's kind of always been like that.

She was instrumental in having the confederate flag removed from the South Carolina capital after the Charleston shooting . . . which was long overdue in 2015. But then she turns around and regularly says that racism isn't a problem in America. She presents a very modern view of women's issues, which is a big contrast to much of the populist evangelical GOP these days, but her record includes sending a notorious right-wing hardliner, outspoken anti-LGBT activist to serve on the UN women's rights committee.

So many times it seems like this is a sensible person who respects the need for moderation and is capable of being strong against the extremists, but then she'll drop some soundbite to remind you that she really is a work in progress - I think she has competing instincts both in her politics and her own viewpoint.

I totally agree about Haley’s positions and comments often being contradictory and pandering, but my point was that during the debate, I didn’t see a wacky incident. I don’t remember her saying she would pardon Trump. I saw her raise her hand about supporting Trumk if he becomes the nominee, but that was the wackiest thing I remember. I think in general she is more moderate than other Republican candidates, but she has to throw in some wacky to get support. That’s why I still prefer Christie. He is the most consistently moderate and sensible.

 

[DaveXA]

@superchuck500

I believe what Nikki Haley is doing is called "pandering"

And it is annoying AF

As annoying as it is, it's really the only way you can win an election.

 

[CoolBrees]

As annoying as it is, it's really the only way you can win an election.

Well sort of.

I get talking to different interest groups about their specific interests and perhaps emphasizing that portion of your platform to them.

But saying two opposing platform positions during the same debate is not only pandering, it is insulting the intelligence of the audience.

 

[DaveXA]

Well sort of.

I get talking to different interest groups about their specific interests and perhaps emphasizing that portion of your platform to them.

But saying two opposing platform positions during the same debate is not only pandering, it is insulting the intelligence of the audience.

Indeed.

 

[MT15]

This is interesting:

 

[Lapaz]

Well sort of.

I get talking to different interest groups about their specific interests and perhaps emphasizing that portion of your platform to them.

But saying two opposing platform positions during the same debate is not only pandering, it is insulting the intelligence of the audience.

What were the 2 opposing platform positions that Haley stated at the debate?

 

[superchuck500]

I totally agree about Haley’s positions and comments often being contradictory and pandering, but my point was that during the debate, I didn’t see a wacky incident. I don’t remember her saying she would pardon Trump. I saw her raise her hand about supporting Trumk if he vecinas the nominee, but that was the wackiest thing I remember. I think in general she is more moderate than other Republican candidates, but she has to throw in some wacky to get support. That’s why I still prefer Christie. He is the most consistently moderate and sensible.

Yeah I was just talking more generally. I didn’t watch the whole debate. I was watching Messi magic ️

 

[MT15]

People are making fun of DeSantis for talking so much about the Navy Seals, when he was actually a JAG who supported a Seal unit.

 

[MT15]

 

[DaveXA]

It's like he doesn't really think his positions through.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Trump in the past has praised Putin.
More recently Vivek is on the wrong side of the issue as well...

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Yevgeny Prigozhin is just the latest: A list of Putin's dead critics

Falls from windows, poisoned food, physically impossible self-strangulation, and bodies discovered with head trauma or bullet holes — these are some of the ways that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s political opponents have met their unnatural deaths in recent years.

news.yahoo.com

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This alone should be enough for people to not support Vivek.
Re. Trump, there are thousands of reasons not to support him.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

DeSantis is TRYING to be more personable.
Here he is working with children in Iowa...

 

[MT15]

To be fair the only kids he was directly interacting with were his own in what was shown. Other than standing there for a picture. But, yes, he does appear to be trying.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

To be fair the only kids he was directly interacting with were his own in what was shown. Other than standing there for a picture. But, yes, he does appear to be trying.

His campaign is aware of the image he has. I also viewed a tv commercial that spent most of the 30 seconds displaying DeSantis with his family and smiling warmly rather than awkwardly.