2024 GOP Presidential Race (formerly Can DeSantis overcome Trump?) (2 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[superchuck500]

 

[zztop]

Of course he appointed (or allowed someone like that to be appointed). He also apparently floated the idea of jan 6th pardons if he gets elected president

Esther Byrd, QAnon-adjacent defender of Jan. 6 insurrection, appointed to Florida Board of Education

'When Trump supporters peacefully protest, suddenly "Law and Order" is all they can talk about!'

floridapolitics.com

Did DeSantis appoint a Jan. 6 Capitol rioter to regulate your massage? Here's what we know

Did Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis knowingly appoint a Jan. 6 rioter to a state regulatory board?

www.tallahassee.com

(where have we heard rhetoric like this before?)

Ron DeSantis floats ‘Day One’ pardons of Jan. 6 defendants, Donald Trump

'We will use the pardon power and I will do that at the front end.'

floridapolitics.com

Responding to an interview question on “Clay and Buck,” the Florida Governor opened the door to clemency actions on “Day One” surrounding the attempt to halt the certification of the 2020 Presidential Election.

“The Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation have been weaponized. We see that in a variety of contexts,” DeSantis argued.

“And so what I’m going to do is on Day One, I will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases (where) people are victims of weaponization or political targeting and we will be aggressive at issuing pardons.”

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

This is sheer lunacy.

 

[MT15]

 

[DaveXA]

This is sheer lunacy.

What's funny is who was President when all that started? 🤔

 

[superchuck500]

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

What's funny is who was President when all that started? 🤔

And it’s easy to find clips of both Trump and DeSantis praising Fauci and implementing lockdowns. They want to rewrite history - they think we’re all really stupid.

 

[efil4]

Oh this dude goin BAAACK to days of Huey Long and his "deduct box"

 

[superchuck500]

DeSantis is basically DOA at this point - maybe even forever on a national level because (1) he has zero charisma and (2) he doesn't seem to appreciate the task at hand. Both of those themes are covered in this piece at Atlantic. You don't just show up and run for POTUS. You have to have a vision, a message of what you're offering to the voters - not a recitation of battles and grievances.

Trump, who is really just a sales and con man, knows that the sell is the biggest part of the task. Especially in 2016, he was selling a vision - a package of not only of wrongs in his eyes but how he planned to make them better for everyday Americans. DeSantis seems to be wholly ignorant of it. And I don't think that he can just turn around and find that element of who he is as a politician.

DeSantis’s Launch Was Not the Only Thing That Crashed

It was bad when the Twitter Spaces sound was off for the Florida governor. It was worse when the sound came on.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[zztop]

Oh this dude goin BAAACK to days of Huey Long and his "deduct box"

for reference

deduct box

The "deduct box" was the locked box where legendary Louisiana Gov. Huey Long kept "deducts" from state employee salaries to fund his political operation. Estimates suggest Long collected between $50,000 to $75,000 each election cycle

politicaldictionary.com

 

[DaveXA]

DeSantis is basically DOA at this point - maybe even forever on a national level because (1) he has zero charisma and (2) he doesn't seem to appreciate the task at hand. Both of those themes are covered in this piece at Atlantic. You don't just show up and run for POTUS. You have to have a vision, a message of what you're offering to the voters - not a recitation of battles and grievances.

Trump, who is really just a sales and con man, knows that the sell is the biggest part of the task. Especially in 2016, he was selling a vision - a package of not only of wrongs in his eyes but how he planned to make them better for everyday Americans. DeSantis seems to be wholly ignorant of it. And I don't think that he can just turn around and find that element of who he is as a politician.

DeSantis’s Launch Was Not the Only Thing That Crashed

It was bad when the Twitter Spaces sound was off for the Florida governor. It was worse when the sound came on.

www.theatlantic.com

I don't disagree with any of that, but I'm not sure that conventional wisdom applies to the current version of the Republican Party and primary season. If Trump gets really bogged down with his legal issues, I can see the party turning to DeSantis because I don't see them being supportive of anyone other than Trump or DeSantis. Maybe they'll surprise me, idk.

 

[superchuck500]

I don't disagree with any of that, but I'm not sure that conventional wisdom applies to the current version of the Republican Party and primary season. If Trump gets really bogged down with his legal issues, I can see the party turning to DeSantis because I don't see them being supportive of anyone other than Trump or DeSantis. Maybe they'll surprise me, idk.

I think it's in the context of a general election - he's got zero message or personal appeal and doesn't seem to know he's supposed to have it.

 

[DaveXA]

I think it's in the context of a general election - he's got zero message or personal appeal and doesn't seem to know he's supposed to have it.

Agreed.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I don't disagree with any of that, but I'm not sure that conventional wisdom applies to the current version of the Republican Party and primary season. If Trump gets really bogged down with his legal issues, I can see the party turning to DeSantis because I don't see them being supportive of anyone other than Trump or DeSantis. Maybe they'll surprise me, idk.

I think it's in the context of a general election - he's got zero message or personal appeal and doesn't seem to know he's supposed to have it.

Sadly, I think if you replace "party" with "voter" in Dave's quoted post, that's how I feel the general will go. DeSantis will get millions of votes in a close-ish race because every single member of the GOP, from Trump and the national apparatus down to the hardcore base and even a large chunk of supposed independent and undecided voters will still pull the lever simply due to the R next to the name or their own inability to separate truth from tosh.

 

[CoolBrees]

But that ain’t nearly enough.

You aren’t winning back Georgia, or Pennsylvania or Arizona or Nevada Wisconsin, or especially Michigan with that nonsense. They got their arse kicked in the midterm and doubled down on the stuff that got them destroyed. Namely taking women’s rights away. That stuff plays (sort of) in the deep south but it doesn’t even play in Nebraska or Kansas. Kansas!

Seriously, I don’t know why anyone is worried about this election with the R’s in their current state. They either nominate a guy that will be indicted three times at least by then or have their party splinter. That is the choice they have on a national level.

And if anyone disagrees, I would love to hear the rationale behind Trumplethinskin’s path to 270, which states are going to flip and why.

And there are some R governors that could easily win the general. Problem is they can’t win their primary.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

But that ain’t nearly enough.

You aren’t winning back Georgia, or Pennsylvania or Arizona or Nevada Wisconsin, or especially Michigan with that nonsense. They got their arse kicked in the midterm and doubled down on the stuff that got them destroyed. Namely taking women’s rights away. That stuff plays (sort of) in the deep south but it doesn’t even play in Nebraska or Kansas. Kansas!

Seriously, I don’t know why anyone is worried about this election with the R’s in their current state. They either nominate a guy that will be indicted three times at least by then or have their party splinter. That is the choice they have on a national level.

And if anyone disagrees, I would love to hear the rationale behind Trumplethinskin’s path to 270, which states are going to flip and why.

And there are some R governors that could easily win the general. Problem is they can’t win their primary.

My fear is largely irrational, I admit. It shouldn't have been close in 2016, but he won. It shouldn't have been close in 2020, but it was. Until I see the GOP implode with my own two eyes in the 2024 general, I'm going to be nervous.