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    A new report by the Commonwealth Fund finds some US states have firearm death rates comparable to countries in conflict, and even states with the fewest firearms deaths are far higher than peer developed democracies.

    For instance, Mississippi’s rate of firearm-related violence (28.5 per 100,000 people) was nearly double that of Haiti (15.1 per 100,000) in 2021, when mercenaries assassinated the country’s president, unleashing a fresh round of gang warfare which pushed the country into a state of civil war.

    Rhode Island, which has the lowest firearm death rate in the US (three per 100,000) is still 23 times higher than the United Kingdom (0.13 per 100,000) and nearly 1.3 times higher than France (2.3 per 100,000).

    The US overall is in the 93rd percentile of all countries and territories for overall firearm mortality, at 13.5 deaths per 100,000 people, the Commonwealth report found.


    “No country we compare ourselves to has the rates and absolute deaths like we do in the US,” said Evan Gumas, a research associate at the Commonwealth Fund in international health policy and practice who helped author the report. “It comes up anytime there’s a shooting that makes the news, when it should be something we’re paying attention to.”

    In another example, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and New Mexico all have higher firearm mortality rates than Mexico, where decades of violence between state forces and rival drug cartels has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and left more than 115,000 people missing.

    Notably, firearm-related death and injury is not synonymous with an increase in crime. Violent crime fell 15% from 2023 to 2024, according to the FBI. More than half of all firearm-related deaths (56.1%) in 2022 were from suicide, according to a report from the US surgeon general.

    Vivek Murthy, the US surgeon general, declared firearm violence “a public health crisis in America” in a June report, citing statistics that firearms injuries in the US far surpassed peer wealthy nations and were growing quickly, especially among children and adolescents.

    Firearms became the leading cause of death for American children aged one to 17 in 2020, surpassing car accidents and all other causes of illness and injury, such as drowning or suffocation.

    For comparison, the rate of firearm deaths among American children is 72 times higher in the US than in the UK (36.4 deaths per million versus 0.5 deaths per million).

    “I went to public school in the wake of Sandy Hook,” said Gumas, referencing the Connecticut massacre in which a gunman killed six adults and 20 first-grade children. “School shooting drills were a very big part of our every day. That’s not normal.”…….

    www.theguardian.com

    Some US states have firearm death rates comparable to countries in conflict, report says

    Mississippi’s firearm-related violence rate nearly double that of Haiti, which is plagued by political and gang strife
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    Optimus Prime said:
    In another example, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and New Mexico all have higher firearm mortality rates than Mexico, where decades of violence between state forces and rival drug cartels has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and left more than 115,000 people missing.
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    This is not an apples to apples comparison, it's even misleading.

    According to the graph in the report (here's the report) Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and New Mexico are the U.S. States with the highest gun death rate (which does coincide with the CDC's statistics)

    Mexico is a country with 32 States And just like the U.S., Mexico has a few States that are extremely violent, and some states that aren't. A fair comparison would've been comparing the murder rate of those 4 U.S. States with the murder rates of Chihuahua, Mexico State, Guanajuato, and Baja California, which are leading the charge in 2024.

    Now, a couple of things that need to be pointed out:

    Last year, Sinaloa mysteriously dropped off the top 5 most violent States in MX... a reporter claimed many gun deaths were not being included in the official reports, then he disappeared.

    Lopez Obrador had a morning press conference every weekday for the duration of his presidency. Many times, he was caught lying about the rate of violence and crime in different States and cities, "coincidentally" those who had MORENA (his party) governors or mayors. One of the great moments in Mexican presidential press conference history, he proudly presented a graphic that showed non-violent car jackings had dropped 91% in Mexico City (meant to prop Claudia Sheinbaum, who at the time was MX City's mayor). A reporter asked: "what about violent car jackings?". President said he'll have the numbers on the next presser. The reporter got his press creds voided, and we never herd about car jackings again.
     
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    SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) — A federal judge on Friday overturned Illinois’ ban on semiautomatic weapons, leaning on recent U.S. Supreme Court rulings that strictly interpret the Second Amendment right to keep and bear firearms.

    U.S. District Judge Stephen P. McGlynn, of the Southern District of Illinois, issued a permanent injunction he said applies universally, not just to the lawsuit’s plaintiffs. He decided, however, that the injunction would not take effect for 30 days.

    Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul responded speedily, filing a notice of appeal Friday evening.

    The Protect Illinois Communities Act, signed into law in January 2023 by Democratic Gov. J.B. Pritzker, took effect Jan. 1. It bans AR-15 rifles and similar guns, large-capacity magazines and an assortment of attachments largely in response to the 2022 Independence Day shooting at a parade in the Chicago suburb of Highland Park.…..

    apnews.com

    US judge tosses Illinois' ban on semiautomatic weapons, governor pledges swift appeal

    A federal judge has overturned Illinois’ ban on semiautomatic weapons, leaning on recent U.S. Supreme Court rulings that strictly interpret the Second Amendment right to keep and bear firearms.
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    superchuck500 said:
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    The usual response from the republicans

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    Optimus Prime said:
    Every time there is a shooting someone says "this is why we need prayer and Jesus in the schools"? Absolutely
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    Sorry, I was unaware ONLY Republicans said that. Kind of hard to dispute the facts that when prayers were said in school, there was far less school violence. And before someone jumps on it, NO, I am not suggesting we have prayers in school again.
     
    Texan1211 said:
    Never have seen that in a Republican platform.
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    I've never seen anything but scaffolding components in a Republican Platform. That's what they're made of. That and sheets of plywood. Some ingenuity.

    When one looks at them with an eye for detail, one of the details which tends to stand out is how grubby they soon become. Tracked on grubby dirt is one of their outstanding surface features.

    There's a song to go with that: The Load Out

     
    SamAndreas said:
    I've never seen anything but scaffolding components in a Republican Platform. That's what they're made of. That and sheets of plywood. Some ingenuity.

    When one looks at them with an eye for detail, one of the details which tends to stand out is how grubby they soon become. Tracked on grubby dirt is one of their outstanding surface features.

    There's a song to go with that: The Load Out

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    So, not a Republican platform point despite your insistence that Republicans always say what you claimed as if no Democrat does.
     
    Texan1211 said:
    So, not a Republican platform point despite your insistence that Republicans always say what you claimed as if no Democrat does.
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    I didn't know I had an insistence about that.

    Did you like the song I played for you?

    That might be an insistence. My insistence to have some music mixed into life.
     
    Texan1211 said:
    Sorry, I was unaware ONLY Republicans said that. Kind of hard to dispute the facts that when prayers were said in school, there was far less school violence. And before someone jumps on it, NO, I am not suggesting we have prayers in school again.
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    Recent shootings at Christian schools, such as the Covenant School, suggest that even environments perceived as morally grounded are not immune to these broader societal problems. Students who who deviate from traditional "Christian lifestyle" expectations often face discrimination or exclusion in environments with rigid moral codes. Religious schools cases raise questions about how some institutions handle diversity, bullying, and mental health. Alienation can amplify feelings of hopelessness and, in rare circumstances, lead to retaliatory violence. Add to that Increased access to firearms, Insufficient mental health care and polarization and ideological conflicts.

    In summary, attributing lower school violence to prayer in schools oversimplifies a multifaceted issue. Addressing school violence requires systemic changes, including better gun control, mental health support, and fostering inclusive and supportive school environments, rather than relying on religious practices to maintain safety.
     
    Dragon said:
    Recent shootings at Christian schools, such as the Covenant School, suggest that even environments perceived as morally grounded are not immune to these broader societal problems. Students who who deviate from traditional "Christian lifestyle" expectations often face discrimination or exclusion in environments with rigid moral codes. Religious schools cases raise questions about how some institutions handle diversity, bullying, and mental health. Alienation can amplify feelings of hopelessness and, in rare circumstances, lead to retaliatory violence. Add to that Increased access to firearms, Insufficient mental health care and polarization and ideological conflicts.

    In summary, attributing lower school violence to prayer in schools oversimplifies a multifaceted issue. Addressing school violence requires systemic changes, including better gun control, mental health support, and fostering inclusive and supportive school environments, rather than relying on religious practices to maintain safety.
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    Nothing in your entire post I have ever argued. Religion isn't for everyone. Clearly.
     
    Texan1211 said:
    Nothing in your entire post I have ever argued. Religion isn't for everyone. Clearly.
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    "Kind of hard to dispute the facts that when prayers were said in school, there was far less school violence." Direct quote...
     
    Dragon said:
    "Kind of hard to dispute the facts that when prayers were said in school, there was far less school violence." Direct quote...
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    Are you claiming that there was more violence when prayers were said in school? Got any stats to back it up?
     
    Texan1211 said:
    Are you claiming that there was more violence when prayers were said in school? Got any stats to back it up?
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    No but you were claiming that there were fewer... Always on the attack and never taking any responsibility for your own claims. Fact is that some of the most deadly attacks recently has taken place in religious schools.
     

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