Now is not the time to talk about gun control (1 Viewer)

[brandon]

T&P

10 killed in Boulder shooting: Victims identified, suspect charged

Police said 10 people were killed, including an officer, after a shooting at a King Soopers grocery store in Boulder, Colorado.

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[bird]

I’m down

Me too.

 

[B4YOU]

"Suspect faces gun charges: Ryan Wesley Routh, the suspect in the apparent assassination attempt of Donald Trump, has been charged with two counts, including possession of a firearm while a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number. A detention hearing is set for next Monday." per CNN.

This is going to be a peer-to-peer sale. A simple gun control solution to reduce felons getting guns is a national, digital registry and requiring all gun sales through licensed dealers or at government offices.

 

[Lapaz]

"Suspect faces gun charges: Ryan Wesley Routh, the suspect in the apparent assassination attempt of Donald Trump, has been charged with two counts, including possession of a firearm while a convicted felon and possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number. A detention hearing is set for next Monday." per CNN.

This is going to be a peer-to-peer sale. A simple gun control solution to reduce felons getting guns is a national, digital registry and requiring all gun sales through licensed dealers or at government offices.

All gun sale and/or exchange/gift, including peer-to-peer, should be registered. I included exchanges/gifts, since some people will try to get around the law by not exchanging money, but if you give someone a weapon, you should inform authorities. If a private individual doesn't register the sale/gift/exchange, he should face fines that are at least the value of the gun, while any registered seller should face jail time and lose their license. By the way, anyone who sells more than x number of guns per year should be required to be registered. I'd set the number at 10 guns per year. Guns shouldn't be treated so inconspicuously. It should be a big deal to weaponize a person.

 

[Optimus Prime]

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An 11-year-old boy was punished this month for reporting a classmate for having a bullet at school because, according to administrators, he waited too long to do so.

School officials at St. John the Apostle Catholic School in Virginia Beach suspended a sixth grader for 1½ days for waiting about two hours to report a bullet his friend had shown him, according to Tim Anderson, a lawyer representing the boy and his mother Rachel Wigand.

News of the boy’s punishment led last week to threats of violence against St. John’s, a two-day closure of the Catholic School and the arrest of a man in North Carolina accused of making the threats, all while administrators tried to reassure parents who might find the whirlwind “deeply unsettling.”

School officials defended the punishment, saying they held the boy accountable for the kind of delay that could have catastrophic consequences if not relayed to adults, citing the recent school shooting at Apalachee High School in Winder, Ga., that killed four and injured nine. Anderson contended that punishing the boy for “doing the right thing” makes the school less safe by disincentivizing students from coming forward.

“The message it sends is, instead of ‘See something, say something,’ the kids are better off not saying anything,” Anderson said, adding that “it’s creating a more dangerous environment.”

The Catholic Diocese of Richmond, of which St. John’s is a part, defended punishing the boy.

“The school’s culture of safety requires that students and adults alike report potential threats as quickly as they are made aware of them; in a real emergency, gaps in reporting time — especially hours-long gaps — could have major consequences for school safety,” the diocese said in a statement.

On the morning of Sept. 5, Wigand’s son’s class prepared to take a standardized test by moving desks into a different formation, Anderson said, and while doing so, a classmate showed him a bullet. Wigand said the other boy was showing it off after finding it in his parents’ coin jar, and her son didn’t perceive it as a threat.

Even though he was shocked, he decided to wait until he could report the bullet anonymously, Wigand said. So he took the standardized math test for the next 1½ hours, then attended an art class which the boy with the bullet was also taking.

A fire drill followed, during which Wigand’s son went to interim principal Jennifer Davey to tell her about the bullet, Anderson said. Police came to the school, searched the other boy’s bag and found it, he added.

The principal commended Wigan’s son but also told him he was being suspended for two days because he hadn’t made the report immediately, Anderson said. The other boy was suspended for the same amount of time, he added.

Wigand said that when her son had told her why he’d been suspended, she suspected he wasn’t telling her everything and interrogated him.

“There’s no way somebody would suspend you for reporting something,” she said, describing her reaction at the time. “I couldn’t believe it.”

But Wigand confirmed what her son had told her when she spoke to the principal that night at a school open house. She reviewed the student handbook, found nothing about a requirement to report anything other than sexual harassment and pointed that out to school officials, Anderson said. The principal was nevertheless “adamant” that her son be punished, the lawyer said.............

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An 11-year-old boy was punished this month for reporting a classmate for having a bullet at school because, according to administrators, he waited too long to do so.

School officials at St. John the Apostle Catholic School in Virginia Beach suspended a sixth grader for 1½ days for waiting about two hours to report a bullet his friend had shown him, according to Tim Anderson, a lawyer representing the boy and his mother Rachel Wigand.

News of the boy’s punishment led last week to threats of violence against St. John’s, a two-day closure of the Catholic School and the arrest of a man in North Carolina accused of making the threats, all while administrators tried to reassure parents who might find the whirlwind “deeply unsettling.”

School officials defended the punishment, saying they held the boy accountable for the kind of delay that could have catastrophic consequences if not relayed to adults, citing the recent school shooting at Apalachee High School in Winder, Ga., that killed four and injured nine. Anderson contended that punishing the boy for “doing the right thing” makes the school less safe by disincentivizing students from coming forward.

“The message it sends is, instead of ‘See something, say something,’ the kids are better off not saying anything,” Anderson said, adding that “it’s creating a more dangerous environment.”

The Catholic Diocese of Richmond, of which St. John’s is a part, defended punishing the boy.

“The school’s culture of safety requires that students and adults alike report potential threats as quickly as they are made aware of them; in a real emergency, gaps in reporting time — especially hours-long gaps — could have major consequences for school safety,” the diocese said in a statement.

On the morning of Sept. 5, Wigand’s son’s class prepared to take a standardized test by moving desks into a different formation, Anderson said, and while doing so, a classmate showed him a bullet. Wigand said the other boy was showing it off after finding it in his parents’ coin jar, and her son didn’t perceive it as a threat.

Even though he was shocked, he decided to wait until he could report the bullet anonymously, Wigand said. So he took the standardized math test for the next 1½ hours, then attended an art class which the boy with the bullet was also taking.

A fire drill followed, during which Wigand’s son went to interim principal Jennifer Davey to tell her about the bullet, Anderson said. Police came to the school, searched the other boy’s bag and found it, he added.

The principal commended Wigan’s son but also told him he was being suspended for two days because he hadn’t made the report immediately, Anderson said. The other boy was suspended for the same amount of time, he added.

Wigand said that when her son had told her why he’d been suspended, she suspected he wasn’t telling her everything and interrogated him.

“There’s no way somebody would suspend you for reporting something,” she said, describing her reaction at the time. “I couldn’t believe it.”

But Wigand confirmed what her son had told her when she spoke to the principal that night at a school open house. She reviewed the student handbook, found nothing about a requirement to report anything other than sexual harassment and pointed that out to school officials, Anderson said. The principal was nevertheless “adamant” that her son be punished, the lawyer said.............

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I would immediately pull my kid out of that school. It is crazy that the kid that brought the bullet received the same punishment as the kid that did the right thing. That principle and diocese are mentally challenged.

 

[Sharon]

It is crazy that the kid that brought the bullet received the same punishment as the kid that did the right thing.

This! The penalty for disturbing the testing environment (state tests) is much worse than the punishment given to the child bringing the bullet. I'm not surprised that child was conflicted about speaking up. This position is entirely the making of the testing companies/lobbyists/politicians who have inflicted these tests on this past generation. For what? $$$$$$$$$

 

[Optimus Prime]

I would immediately pull my kid out of that school. It is crazy that the kid that brought the bullet received the same punishment as the kid that did the right thing. That principle and diocese are mentally challenged.

And from now on that kid will be like

“The next time I see something I’m not saying shirt”

 

[Lapaz]

And from now on that kid will be like

“The next time I see something I’m not saying shirt”

Yep. The message they're sending is so dangerous. I think the message they're sending is keep your mouth shut. It is idiotic, and people will get hurt in the future due to internalizing that message.

 

[boy_of_wonder75]

A juvenile was arrested today for posting threats online to shoot people at Covington High School.

Juvenile taken into custody after posting threats of violence towards Covington High School

Police will remain on-site throughout the school day as a "precautionary measure."

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[Eeyore]

Biblical rights?

So Chewie was packin' heat?

 

[fooferdoggie]

Biblical rights?

So Chewie was packin' heat?

proving school failed this dude he made himself a Peice of work and deserves all of the hate.

 

[MT15]

Good deal.

 

[Optimus Prime]

An Texas judge has slapped down an attempt by state Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) to force the state fair to allow guns.

Paxton’s office sued in August to block a change in state fair policy to ban private firearms — a change Dallas County District Judge Emily Tobolowsky upheld Thursday.

Concealed handguns had been permitted at the fair, which often sees more than 100,000 people per day — until last season, when a 22-year old man opened fire in a crowded food court, injuring several people.

In suspect Cameron Turner’s account of events, the shooting was the sort of incident of self-defense that advocates of Texas’s broad gun laws have often pointed to: He told officers that he and his family were approached by several large men, and he went into “defensive” mode to protect them.

Later police investigations cast doubt on this story — Turner was, for one thing, alone when the shooting started — and last month, the state fair banned firearms unless carried by an active- or off-duty police officer.

Within days, that action had elicited a petition by 71 state lawmakers who argued that the change had made Texans less safe — and undermined the fair’s mission to be “a celebration of all things Texas.”

“Law-abiding citizens of the United States use firearms daily to defend themselves against criminals,” the legislators wrote...........

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[Optimus Prime]

The City of Dallas has made the 2024 Texas State Fair ‘a ”free-fire-ZONE” for criminals.’

My family AND I will not be attending the Texas State Fair this YEAR unless the recently announced policy of not allowing law abiding citizens to protect themselves is rescinded.

Unfortunately, the City of Dallas has chosen to prioritize the desires of criminals to rob, rape, murder and harm citizens, at will, over the God given rights of law-abiding citizens to defend themselves.

You ask: “Why would they do this?” Answer: In 2023, a criminal illegally smuggled a gun onto the fairgrounds through a hole in the fence. Instead of closing that hole and taking actions to further prevent criminals from illegally having weapons on the fairgrounds, fair authorities decided to take away guns legally carried by law abiding citizens to defend themselves. And the hole in the fence is still there

It is with great concern that I must warn my fellow Texans about the reckless and short-sighted decision made by Texas State Fair organizers to prohibit firearms within the fairgrounds. This decision, driven by misguided policies and secretive maneuvers, not only jeopardizes the safety of law-abiding citizens but encourages the very criminals who prey on defenseless families wishing to enjoy an American pastime.............

WARNING: 2024 TEXAS STATE FAIR IS TOO DANGEROUS TO ATTEND | Bob Hall – Senator standing for duty, honor, and country

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[DaveXA]

An Texas judge has slapped down an attempt by state Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) to force the state fair to allow guns.

Paxton’s office sued in August to block a change in state fair policy to ban private firearms — a change Dallas County District Judge Emily Tobolowsky upheld Thursday.

Concealed handguns had been permitted at the fair, which often sees more than 100,000 people per day — until last season, when a 22-year old man opened fire in a crowded food court, injuring several people.

In suspect Cameron Turner’s account of events, the shooting was the sort of incident of self-defense that advocates of Texas’s broad gun laws have often pointed to: He told officers that he and his family were approached by several large men, and he went into “defensive” mode to protect them.

Later police investigations cast doubt on this story — Turner was, for one thing, alone when the shooting started — and last month, the state fair banned firearms unless carried by an active- or off-duty police officer.

Within days, that action had elicited a petition by 71 state lawmakers who argued that the change had made Texans less safe — and undermined the fair’s mission to be “a celebration of all things Texas.”

“Law-abiding citizens of the United States use firearms daily to defend themselves against criminals,” the legislators wrote...........

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Paxton continues to prove he's a bigger idiot than Abbott.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A former spokesperson for Kyle Rittenhouse says he became disillusioned with his ex-client after learning that he had sent text messages pledging to “forking murder” shoplifters outside a pharmacy before later shooting two people to death during racial justice protests in Wisconsin in 2020.

Dave Hancock made that remark about Rittenhouse – for whom he also worked as a security guard – on a Law & Crime documentary that premiered on Friday.

The show explored the unsuccessful criminal prosecution of Rittenhouse, who killed Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

As Hancock told it on The Trials of Kyle Rittenhouse, the 90-minute film’s main subject had “a history of things he was doing prior to [the double slaying], specifically patrolling the street for months with guns and borrowing people’s security uniforms, doing whatever he could to try to get into some kind of a fight”.

Hancock nonetheless said he initially believed Rittenhouse’s claims of self-defense when he first relayed his story about fatally shooting Rosenbaum and Huber.

Yet that changed when he later became aware of text messages that surfaced as part of a civil lawsuit filed by the family of one of the men slain in Kenosha demanding wrongful death damages from Rittenhouse.

Rittenhouse sent the texts from the phone he had the night of the 25 August double slaying in Kenosha, according to what Hancock says in the new film. The texts were in response to seeing shoplifters at a CVS pharmacy on 10 August, a little more than two weeks before the deadly shooting in Kenosha.

“The world is disgusting,” read one of the texts, as shown in a preview of The Trials of Kyle Rittenhouse provided to the Guardian. Another said: “It makes me [forking] sick.

Others read: “I wish they would come into my house.”

“I will forking murder them.”

Commenting on the texts while speaking to Law & Crime’s chief investigative correspondent Brian Ross, Hancock said: “This is where his head’s at – you know what I mean?”

He also said: “My first impression was a scared kid, arrogant, oblivious to the world around him. When he was telling me about the story, I believed he was being sincere.

“I believed things he told me that I now understand to be one of his many lies. And that hurts. That sucks.”………

Kyle Rittenhouse texts pledging to ‘murder’ shoplifters disillusion his ex-spokesperson

‘I believed things he told me that I now understand to be one of … many lies,’ Dave Hancock says in new Rittenhouse documentary

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The US is known as one of the most litigious countries in the world, and in recent years there’s been a new effort to apply that reputation to one of the nation’s most vexing problems: gun violence.

In the absence of political change to tackle the US’s epidemic of gun violence, survivors of mass shootings have been launching multimillion-dollar lawsuits against gunmakers, gun dealers, tech companies and the federal government for their failure to protect them.

While suits against the gun industry have happened before, their increased use now is, in part, due to the rise of large, well-resourced violence-prevention groups backing them as a tool for change – to shift the narrative about who bears responsibility for mass shootings, and to force the gun industry, social media companies and the federal government to shift their practices.

“The lawsuits are created because we can’t get anything done at the state, local or federal levels, so we go for the manufacturers,” said Dion Green, who survived a mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio, in 2019. “No one likes when their money gets attacked.”

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When a gunman opened fire in Dayton’s arts and entertainment district just over five years ago, nine people, including Green’s father, Derrick Fudge, were killed and dozens more were injured. Green’s father died in his arms that night. Green went on to establish the Fudge Foundation, through which he speaks to youth about the harms caused by gun violence, supports crime victims and travels to communities that have been similarly rocked by mass shootings.

Since his father’s death, Green has helped reform the way victim compensation is doled out and has railed against lax gun policies like permitless carry. He said that he never wanted to be involved in a lawsuit, but he began to see it as a way to get high-capacity drum magazines off the streets – like the 100-round drum the shooter used to kill his father. So he called around to find someone who would represent him and other families in a lawsuit.…

Mass shootings upended their lives. Now survivors are making the gun industry pay

In the absence of political change, victims and families are coming together to launch multimillion-dollar lawsuits

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Sandy Hook survivor Grace Fischer has slammed JD Vance’s suggestion that schools should “make the door locks better” to deal with shootings.

The 18-year-old campaigner, who was six when she survived the horrific mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut on 14 December 2012, said Vance’s proposed solution was “unacceptable.”

“It’s not about making schools safer, because they should be a safe space already for children. His solution is unacceptable,” she told ABC News. “It doesn’t make sense to make schools with stronger windows…I think we need to get more gun control.”

During last week’s debate against Tim Walz,Vance suggested that “making the doors lock better” was one measure to tackle gun violence in schools.…….

Sandy Hook survivor slams Vance’s ‘lock the doors’ plan for school shooters

Teenage campaigner was six when she survived the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut

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