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    What will happen now that former President Donald Trump was found guilty (in 34 counts) by the jury?
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    Speculation on the judge relating to sentencing?
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    Appeals?
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    Political Damage?
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    www.yahoo.com

    Trump found guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records. Here's a breakdown.

    A New York jury unanimously found Donald Trump guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, a stunning conclusion to the historic trial of the former president.
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    Trump's lawyer is doing everything she can run roughshod over Daniels and discredit her as much as possible, but from what I'm reading the blows don't seem to land all that well. Daniels seems pretty well equipped to handle them and scoring her own shots against Trump and his lawyer. I don't know how it's playing out in court to the jury, but she's holding up better under pressure than I would have thought.

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    "You're putting words in my mouth": Daniels and Necheles go back and forth about tweet​

    Donald Trump's attorney Susan Necheles asks Stormy Daniels if she said she'd be instrumental in putting Trump in jail.
    "Show me where I said I’d be instrumental in putting President Trump in jail," Daniels responds.

    The defense references a tweet from Daniels where she wrote: "Exactly! Making me the best person to flush the orange turd down."
    Daniels responds, "I don't see instrumental or jail anywhere in that; you're putting words in my mouth."

    "Pretty sure this is hyperbole, if somebody is going to call me a toilet ... I can say I’m going to flush somebody," Daniels says of the tweet.

    Pushing her about the tweet, Necheles says, "You don't want to admit you meant President Trump." "Oh I absolutely meant — uh — Mr. Trump," Daniels says as she took a pause and didn't say" President" Trump.

    Daniels says her effort to sell merchandise based on indictment is "not unlike Mr. Trump" himself​

    Stormy Daniels turned a question around to highlight Donald Trump's own efforts to sell merchandise based on his criminal indictment.

    "You’re celebrating the indictment by selling things from your store?" Necheles asks.

    "Not unlike Mr. Trump," Daniels responds.

    Stormy Daniels being asked if she fabricated story about Trump​

    Trump attorney Susan Necheles is asking Stormy Daniels about her history making porn movies.

    "You have a lot of experience of making phony stories about sex appear to be real," Necheles says.

    "Wow," Daniels says with a pause. "That’s not how I would put it. The sex in the films is very much real just like what happened to me in that room."

    They're sparring over whether Daniels made up the story with Donald Trump.
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    www.cnn.com

    Stormy Daniels wraps up testimony in Trump hush money trial | CNN Politics

    The testimony of adult film actress Stormy Daniels, a central figure in the criminal case against Donald Trump, wrapped on Thursday after the former president’s lawyers continued their attack on her credibility.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
     
    coldseat said:
    Trump's lawyer is doing everything she can run roughshod over Daniels and discredit her as much as possible, but from what I'm reading the blows don't seem to land all that well. Daniels seems pretty well equipped to handle them and scoring her own shots against Trump and his lawyer. I don't know how it's playing out in court to the jury, but she's holding up better under pressure than I would have thought.

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    "You're putting words in my mouth": Daniels and Necheles go back and forth about tweet​

    Donald Trump's attorney Susan Necheles asks Stormy Daniels if she said she'd be instrumental in putting Trump in jail.
    "Show me where I said I’d be instrumental in putting President Trump in jail," Daniels responds.

    The defense references a tweet from Daniels where she wrote: "Exactly! Making me the best person to flush the orange turd down."
    Daniels responds, "I don't see instrumental or jail anywhere in that; you're putting words in my mouth."

    "Pretty sure this is hyperbole, if somebody is going to call me a toilet ... I can say I’m going to flush somebody," Daniels says of the tweet.

    Pushing her about the tweet, Necheles says, "You don't want to admit you meant President Trump." "Oh I absolutely meant — uh — Mr. Trump," Daniels says as she took a pause and didn't say" President" Trump.

    Daniels says her effort to sell merchandise based on indictment is "not unlike Mr. Trump" himself​

    Stormy Daniels turned a question around to highlight Donald Trump's own efforts to sell merchandise based on his criminal indictment.

    "You’re celebrating the indictment by selling things from your store?" Necheles asks.

    "Not unlike Mr. Trump," Daniels responds.

    Stormy Daniels being asked if she fabricated story about Trump​

    Trump attorney Susan Necheles is asking Stormy Daniels about her history making porn movies.

    "You have a lot of experience of making phony stories about sex appear to be real," Necheles says.

    "Wow," Daniels says with a pause. "That’s not how I would put it. The sex in the films is very much real just like what happened to me in that room."

    They're sparring over whether Daniels made up the story with Donald Trump.
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    www.cnn.com

    Stormy Daniels wraps up testimony in Trump hush money trial | CNN Politics

    The testimony of adult film actress Stormy Daniels, a central figure in the criminal case against Donald Trump, wrapped on Thursday after the former president’s lawyers continued their attack on her credibility.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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    Stormy seems to be holding up pretty well. I think Trump's attorney is blowing this part of the case. Not sure what she's trying to accomplish here.
     
    DaveXA said:
    Stormy seems to be holding up pretty well. I think Trump's attorney is blowing this part of the case. Not sure what she's trying to accomplish here.
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    I've read that this is being directed by Trump himself with him wanting to embarrass or humiliate Daniels on the stand more than any sound legal reason
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    I've read that this is being directed by Trump himself with him wanting to embarrass or humiliate Daniels on the stand more than any sound legal reason
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    I would believe that. And it would be completely on brand for Trump to sabotage his defense by directing them to go ugly.

    And Stormy's story isn't even the issue -- Trump isn't on trial for having sex with Stormy, it's not a "he said/she said" issue, he's on trial for falsifying records. It seems like it might be smarter to dismiss her importance and get her off the stand.
     
    DaveXA said:
    He's gonna end up with more egg on his face than hers with that strategy.
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    Not to mention that is was originally the defenses strategy to limit how much Daniels could talk about the extraneous details of their sexual encounter. They're going against their initial plan and pretty much eliminating any chance they have of appeal on this subject given how much detail they're going into with the questioning in their cross. They've certainly going a lot more into detail than the prosecution did.

    This totally tracks with Trump's ego and need to disparage other people to the maximum amount possible when they oppose him though.
     
    coldseat said:
    Not to mention that is was originally the defenses strategy to limit how much Daniels could talk about the extraneous details of their sexual encounter. They're going against their initial plan and pretty much eliminating any chance they have of appeal on this subject given how much detail they're going into with the questioning in their cross. They've certainly going a lot more into detail than the prosecution did.

    This totally tracks with Trump's ego and need to disparage other people to the maximum amount possible when they oppose him though.
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    Again, totally on brand. I just read that the cross examination was longer than the direct.

    And the bottom line is she got paid, whether or not her story was true, and the crime was in the record keeping, which she would have had no knowledge of. It seems the only questions should have been:
    • "Did you negotiate directly with or receive money directly from Trump?" No.
    • "So to your knowledge Michael Cohen handled everything, and could have been operating on his own?" Yes
    • "And you have no knowledge of how Michael Cohen billed or was paid for his services or how these payments were classified for business purposes?" Yes
    • "No further questions."
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    I've read that this is being directed by Trump himself with him wanting to embarrass or humiliate Daniels on the stand more than any sound legal reason
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    Read where? I don't think anybody outside of the defense team knows that but it seems very expected to me. This is how I think a trial attorney would cross examine a witness like this in a case like this.
     
    Booker said:
    I would believe that. And it would be completely on brand for Trump to sabotage his defense by directing them to go ugly.

    And Stormy's story isn't even the issue -- Trump isn't on trial for having sex with Stormy, it's not a "he said/she said" issue, he's on trial for falsifying records. It seems like it might be smarter to dismiss her importance and get her off the stand.
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    Perhaps but the prosecution put her on and elicited quite a bit of testimony from her about it all. At minimum the defense wants to attack her credibility and make inferences about her motivations. I don't think the defense can soft play a witness like this.

    And certainly the prosecution anticipated that, she's clearly prepared and seems to have done fairly well with it.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    Read where? I don't think anybody outside of the defense team knows that but it seems very expected to me. This is how I think a trial attorney would cross examine a witness like this in a case like this.
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    It's in the CNN feed...

    www.cnn.com

    Stormy Daniels wraps up testimony in Trump hush money trial | CNN Politics

    The testimony of adult film actress Stormy Daniels, a central figure in the criminal case against Donald Trump, wrapped on Thursday after the former president’s lawyers continued their attack on her credibility.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

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    Booker said:
    It's in the CNN feed...

    www.cnn.com

    Stormy Daniels wraps up testimony in Trump hush money trial | CNN Politics

    The testimony of adult film actress Stormy Daniels, a central figure in the criminal case against Donald Trump, wrapped on Thursday after the former president’s lawyers continued their attack on her credibility.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

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    That strikes me as pure speculation. It assumes that Trump's experienced criminal defense lawyers would have done something different but for Trump's anger . . . the cross examination seems like exactly what she should have expected it would be. I don't know, obviously, but I don't think this observer knows either, to what degree Trump's personal input is having on the nature of the cross examination.
     
    The irony is that the news shows tonight are going to want to focus on Stormy, even though it's old news that she got paid and why she got paid, when then book keeper testifying after her will surely be a lot more relevant to the criminal charges.
     
    coldseat said:
    Trump's lawyer is doing everything she can run roughshod over Daniels and discredit her as much as possible, but from what I'm reading the blows don't seem to land all that well. Daniels seems pretty well equipped to handle them and scoring her own shots against Trump and his lawyer. I don't know how it's playing out in court to the jury, but she's holding up better under pressure than I would have thought.

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    "You're putting words in my mouth": Daniels and Necheles go back and forth about tweet​

    Donald Trump's attorney Susan Necheles asks Stormy Daniels if she said she'd be instrumental in putting Trump in jail.
    "Show me where I said I’d be instrumental in putting President Trump in jail," Daniels responds.

    The defense references a tweet from Daniels where she wrote: "Exactly! Making me the best person to flush the orange turd down."
    Daniels responds, "I don't see instrumental or jail anywhere in that; you're putting words in my mouth."

    "Pretty sure this is hyperbole, if somebody is going to call me a toilet ... I can say I’m going to flush somebody," Daniels says of the tweet.

    Pushing her about the tweet, Necheles says, "You don't want to admit you meant President Trump." "Oh I absolutely meant — uh — Mr. Trump," Daniels says as she took a pause and didn't say" President" Trump.

    Daniels says her effort to sell merchandise based on indictment is "not unlike Mr. Trump" himself​

    Stormy Daniels turned a question around to highlight Donald Trump's own efforts to sell merchandise based on his criminal indictment.

    "You’re celebrating the indictment by selling things from your store?" Necheles asks.

    "Not unlike Mr. Trump," Daniels responds.

    Stormy Daniels being asked if she fabricated story about Trump​

    Trump attorney Susan Necheles is asking Stormy Daniels about her history making porn movies.

    "You have a lot of experience of making phony stories about sex appear to be real," Necheles says.

    "Wow," Daniels says with a pause. "That’s not how I would put it. The sex in the films is very much real just like what happened to me in that room."

    They're sparring over whether Daniels made up the story with Donald Trump.
    =================

    www.cnn.com

    Stormy Daniels wraps up testimony in Trump hush money trial | CNN Politics

    The testimony of adult film actress Stormy Daniels, a central figure in the criminal case against Donald Trump, wrapped on Thursday after the former president’s lawyers continued their attack on her credibility.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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    She’s not a stupid person. I think the perception of people who work in porn is that they are too stupid to do anything else, which makes her being able to more than hold her own against Trump’s lawyer pretty satisfying.
     
    MT15 said:
    She’s not a stupid person. I think the perception of people who work in porn is that they are too stupid to do anything else, which makes her being able to more than hold her own against Trump’s lawyer pretty satisfying.
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    On CNN they were talking a bit about this that people today view porn a lot differently than they did in the 80s and 90s
     
    superchuck500 said:
    Perhaps but the prosecution put her on and elicited quite a bit of testimony from her about it all. At minimum the defense wants to attack her credibility and make inferences about her motivations. I don't think the defense can soft play a witness like this.

    And certainly the prosecution anticipated that, she's clearly prepared and seems to have done fairly well with it.
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    Whether her motivation was money, hatred for Trump, or anything else, her motivations don't seem to matter. I don't even understand why it matters whether she is credible, nor if she ever met Trump, because none of those affect whether Trump paid her, and then falsified the purpose of the payments. He paid the doorman for something that didn't happen, but he may not have falsified records for that. All that matters is that he knowingly falsified records to prevent the story from becoming public and whether that was politically motivated. Daniels' testimony is salacious and believable, but for legal purposes why does Daniels' motivations and credibility matter?
     

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