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    A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

    Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

    It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

    Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

    Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

    Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

    Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

    And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.
     
    This is insane



    The GOP Supreme Commander ordered his party to STOP all negotiations on the border because he wanted to use is as "ammo" for his campaign.

    Now that Biden has said he will "shut it completely", that leaves no room for the Supreme Commander to campaign on.

    They did the same to Obama w/ appointees in that last year.
     
    Picture of kids with good parents.

    First meal they got since left to their own devices, was in MX, and only because MX authorities made sure other migrants didn't take the "swine food" the MX authorities give them.

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    News from as far as Argentina about the issue with minors traveling by themselves.

    This article has a video of a 10 year old child who was found wondering around the border. He was travelling alone, and tagged with a group of adults who, after they reached the border and realized they didn't have any use for the kid, just abandoned him to his own devices in the middle of the desert.

    His good parents are in Nicaragua.


     
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    News from as far as Argentina about the issue with minors traveling by themselves.

    This article has a video of a 10 year old child who was found wondering around the border. He was travelling alone, and tagged with a group of adults who, after they reached the border and realized they didn't have any use for the kid, just abandoned him to his own devices in the middle of the desert.

    His good parents are in Nicaragua.




    That's extremely tragic. I see that that article was from 2 years. Do you know if his parents are or were even alive then?

    The truth is none of us here know what those kids situation where back home, if their parents are alive or what their situation was unless you talk to them and get to know them. We don't know why whoever was responsible for them (or even if there was somebody responsible for them) would let them go on a journey like that alone with a group of strangers.
     
    One big reason kids get sent by themselves is that the law encourages it.

    If a kid shows up with their parents, they suffer the same fate as their parents.

    If a kid shows up without parents, they will get a green card very quickly and be eligible to become citizens by the time they turn 18 (or at most 6 or 7 years after they enter the country) for most of them, because they qualify as Special Immigrant Juveniles. The irony is that a law intended to prevent child trafficking, combined with our immigration laws, is the number one driver of child trafficking in the Western Hemisphere.


    Often, they are sent here to be united with extended family members who already live here. Sometimes the parents give their kids off to smugglers for the trip and plan to come later or not, sometimes the parents hand them off to others near the border to people who are going to turn themselves in, and then the parents sneak in and avoid CBP.

    This is another thing that needs to be considered when we reform immigration law. Everyone wants to prevent child trafficking, but we need to not have this unintended consequence in the next version of the law.
     
    That's extremely tragic. I see that that article was from 2 years. Do you know if his parents are or were even alive then?
    No idea. Why do you ask? Do you think a 10 year old just tagged along a walking caravan from Nicaragua to the U.S. of his own volition after the death of his parents?

    These 3 children, do you think they are old enough to even know of the caravans and their purpose? Or is it their good parents leaving them with a bunch of strangers to walk a couple thousand miles through 2-3 countries just to reach the U.S. border?

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    The truth is none of us here know what those kids situation where back home, if their parents are alive or what their situation was unless you talk to them and get to know them. We don't know why whoever was responsible for them (or even if there was somebody responsible for them) would let them go on a journey like that alone with a group of strangers.

    Although, many teenagers traveling alone have expressed the conditions at home, and how they are better on the streets as they are at home. I believe one of the articles I posted alludes to that.

    And a quick note: I don't have articles or pictures bookmarked... I just do searches for them, and I just pick the first picture or article that's relevant from the results... some may be a couple years old, but the situation has not changed; if anything, it has gotten worse.
     
    And a quick note: I don't have articles or pictures bookmarked... I just do searches for them, and I just pick the first picture or article that's relevant from the results... some may be a couple years old, but the situation has not changed; if anything, it has gotten worse.
    What keywords are you using in your search? We always find what we are searching for on the internet. That's why internet searches always confirm our biases, because we usually only search for what we already believe.

    Like I said before, there was a guy that used to come around these parts from 2016 to 2020 who spam the board with hundreds of videos and images that he said proved he was right that the Proud Boys were just good old boys trying to protect us from Antifa.

    How accurate did his claims of what he said those hundreds of videos and photos proved turn out to be?

    Anyone can find and post hundreds of photos and videos that claim to be proof that the Earth is flat. Conversely, anyone can find and post hundreds of photos and videos that claim to be proof that the Earth is round.

    Posting hundreds of photos and videos found on the internet prove nothing by themselves, and that's before taking into consideration that there are a lot of faked photos and videos on the internet, that occasionally even fool news agencies into re-posting as if they are authentic.
     
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    We always find what we are searching for on the internet. That's why internet searches always confirm our biases, because we usually only search for what we already believe.

    I just type things like "migrantes muertos", or "niños migrantes", or "migrantes atacan INM", and set my search for MX. I use Opera and duckduckgo.com.

    I do searches to find articles, so I can link them here, but what's on those articles I already seen in the news and other sources, and not just once... and it's not like I believe it on faith. This shirt is on about every news media in MX (TV, radio, web). It is happening.

    Again, those news sources aren't biased. They are merely reporting what's happening. No editorials, no opinions, just reporting what they see. Again, no Fox/MSNBC equivalents here.

    I posted a link from an Argentinian news source. What bias can an Argentinian news source have? They have no dog in this fight. They quote Marcelo Ebrard who was the head of the MX Dept. of State (recently ran for his party's presidential nomination, and you have to quit your job in the government if you run for elected office), and since no political party here uses migration as a talking point (most Mexicans don't like the caravans anyway), he just tells it like it is. The sitting government gets criticized, sure, but that is regardless of party.

    But I get it, though. You have been in a red pill/blue pill news cycle for so long, you can't imagine news sources just reporting the news, not looking for an angle to push a narrative. It seems to me that you want to believe in the narrative that is presented by your information sources in the U.S., just like the other side presents the Proud Boys as defenders of society.
     
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    I just type things like "migrantes muertos", or "niños migrantes", or "migrantes atacan INM", and set my search for MX. I use Opera and duckduckgo.com.

    I do searches to find articles, so I can link them here, but what's on those articles I already seen in the news and other sources, and not just once... and it's not like I believe it on faith. This shirt is on about every news media in MX (TV, radio, web). It is happening.
    I acknowledged that the incidents you say happened have happened. I've never denied any of those incidents as happening.

    What I've been saying is that your insistence that those incidents are the typical experience or motivation for all of the people traveling through Mexico to the US is unsubstantiated by anything you've posted and they are contradicted by the preponderance of everything else I've read or heard.

    Just because something does happen, it doesn't mean that that something is what is typical for all or most.

    Just because some people are acting a certain way, it doesn't mean that is typical of how all or most people act.

    You keep taking some instances of some people doing something and insistent it's the truth for all or most of them. Over 2.2 million people traveled through Mexico to the US last year.

    1% of 2.2 million people is 22,000 people, so it's no surprise and to be expected that there are a lot of bad faith people in those 2.2 million people that are doing terrible things to a lot of those 2.2 million people. If if it's only 2% of those people, it's still 22,000 people.

    Does the video from the attack on Congress on Jan 6th, 2021 show that all or most Americans attacked the capitol?

    Hope you understand it now.

    I posted a link from an Argentinian news source.
    Which link was from an Argentinian source and what is the take away for you from that source?

    What bias can an Argentinian news source have?
    Potentially, the full gamut of biases that all humans are susceptible to. You mistakenly seem to think the only biases are political biases and that Mexican media is immune to being biased. That's actually a bias on your part.

    You have been in a red pill/blue pill news cycle for so long, you can't imagine news sources just reporting the news, not looking for an angle to push a narrative.
    I'm telling you for the second time, you have no idea what sources of information I use.

    You haven't even bothered to ask me. You just make assumptions and jump to conclusions without asking.

    I think you haven't asked,, because you're not interested in learning the truth. You've already convinced yourself that you know something that you don't actually know and you don't ask, because you don't want to risk learning anything that might clash with what you have already convinced yourself you know.

    Why else would you assume and accuse me of only using US sources without bothering to ever ask me what sources I use?

    It seems to me that you want to believe in the narrative that is presented by your information sources in the U.S....
    And yet again, you assume that I only rely on US sources of information. Your assumption is wrong, as are most of your assumptions.

    For instance, I've mentioned to you before that climate crisis is part of what people are fleeing. I think we should help people fleeing climate crisis, especially because we in the US have been significant contributors to that crisis. You keep overlooking that contributing aspect to the increase in migration.

    One of my sources of information on that from 2 years ago https://earth.org/climate-change-is-causing-a-migration-crisis-in-central-america/

    That's just one of many examples of non-US "red pill/blue pill news cycle" sources that I've relied on..
     
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    This is insane



    and yet meanwhile :

    A Republican-led U.S. House of Representatives panel on Tuesday plans to debate impeachment charges against Democratic President Joe Biden's top border official, a near-unprecedented move that comes as political tensions around immigration ramp up.

    The House Homeland Security Committee will consider two articles of impeachment targeting Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas. The charges allege Mayorkas intentionally encouraged illegal immigration with lax policies and violated public trust by making false statements to Congress
     
    and yet meanwhile :

    A Republican-led U.S. House of Representatives panel on Tuesday plans to debate impeachment charges against Democratic President Joe Biden's top border official, a near-unprecedented move that comes as political tensions around immigration ramp up.

    The House Homeland Security Committee will consider two articles of impeachment targeting Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas. The charges allege Mayorkas intentionally encouraged illegal immigration with lax policies and violated public trust by making false statements to Congress

    And they do so with a straight face and no hint of irony.
     
    There isn't a person alive today who understands our immigration issues better than Mayorkas. Not even close.
     
    This:

    The reason that migrants are being arrested and dying on the way, and that drugs are being seized, is that the border is not open. That migrants are seeking to enter the U.S. is presented in and of itself as evidence that the law is not being enforced, but they are drawn by America’s prosperity. If there was no desire to come here at all, that would indicate a far more serious problem: America would no longer be the kind of place people all over the world aspire to live in.

    The Biden administration has not been as harsh or lawless as the Trump administration was, and it has prioritized deporting undocumented immigrants who cross illegally and those with criminal records. Nevertheless, it has continued an enforcement-heavy approach, which means that the record numbers of migrants have been met with large numbers of deportations. It has narrowed the ability of migrants to apply for asylum if they enter illegally and worked with countries in Central America to slow migration. The administration has shown itself willing to negotiate with Republicans over stricter immigration policies—potentially even reviving some Trump-era practices that Democrats once rightly denounced as inhumane.

    I do not believe these harsher enforcement measures would stop migration—short of truly monstrous methods, a better life for one’s children will always be worth the risk for some—but Biden is willing to give Republicans changes that they say they want to the law. What they really want however, is to be able to falsely accuse the Biden administration of allowing an “invasion” of migrants they claim he could halt at any time.

     

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