Immigration is completely out of control (1 Viewer)

[SystemShock]

A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.

 

[SaintForLife]

Maybe you should've been Trump's lawyer, because apparently Trump's lawyers couldn't convince the jury that Carroll was not credible.

She sounds like a lunatic

 

[Lapaz]

Biden was accused of sexual assault. Are trials required for a woman to credibly accuse someone of sexual assault? Aren't you supporting Biden?

Credibility is required, and there is far more credible evidence, including a conviction against Trump. Are you admitting to supporting a convicted assaulter? I wonder how the women in your life feel about that?

 

[Lapaz]

She sounds like a lunatic

She is obviously credible to the jurists. She is the only one that has had the courage to take him to court. Trump is a scum serial sexual assaulter, yet you defend him, and strain to make weak credibility claims.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

She sounds like a lunatic

She didn't say that at all. She said that she thinks people think of it that way.

"COOPER: I think most people think of rape as a -- it is a violent assault. It is not --

CARROLL: I think most people think of rape as being sexy."

 

[Lapaz]

A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.

NYC has no say in immigration law and they don’t get money to deal with immigrants. New York is one of the states that has a net outflow of federal funds. If Texas sends the immigrants to other states, they should be required to return the federal money intended to serve those immigrants.

 

[Lapaz]

She didn't say that at all. She said that she thinks people think of it that way.

"COOPER: I think most people think of rape as a -- it is a violent assault. It is not --

CARROLL: I think most people think of rape as being sexy."

Correct. She didn’t say that rape is sexy. She was trying to explain that many people believe that. I surmise that was an attempt to explain why there isn’t more of an outcry. I think she’s dead wrong, and saying that was inartfull. I suspect the clip was played during the trial, and the jury recognized that she wasn’t claiming that she believes that, but it is nonetheless a dumb statement to make.

How did this thread get derailed from immigration to Trump’s rape trial? That trial discussion should be in another thread. Sorry that I’m part of the problem, but can we go back to immigration? I want to hear more information about the bi-partisan bill that Trump wants to squash.

 

[FullMonte]

Correct. She didn’t say that rape is sexy. She was trying to explain that many people believe that. I surmise that was an attempt to explain why there isn’t more of an outcry. I think she’s dead wrong, and saying that was inartfull. I suspect the clip was played during the trial, and the jury recognized that she wasn’t claiming that she believes that, but it is nonetheless a dumb statement to make.

It’s also a 100% accurate statement. If anyone doubts it, I challenge them to go to Reddit and search for the word “rape” and select communities. Look at how many communities there are dealing with rape fantasies, and how many of them have tens of thousands of members. There is at least one that has over 1 million members.

 

[MT15]

She sounds like a lunatic

Does sounding like a lunatic (your words) make it okay to sexually assault her in your eyes?

Why do you defend a person found to have sexually assaulted women?

 

[MT15]

 

[LA - L.A.]

See? No. Gang problems are everywhere. Even the U.S. has serious gang problems... but there isn't "rampant gang terrorism", targeting poor people.

See? Absoulutely, yes. There are actually lots of reports and lots of people saying that there is rampant gang terrorism targeting all people, including poor people, in Central America. You're the only one I hear saying otherwise.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Child, please.

You did literally erase everything I said in my post by quoting me like this in your response to me and that is very much a Trumpian thing to do.

Just like trying to be dismissively cool and deflective with "child, please" is the kind of thing Trump would do. He wouldn't use those exact words, but he'd uses the same tactic all the time as a defensive deflection when he's called out on something.

And you do, right?

I never claimed to have direct experience with tens of thousands of the more than 2.2 million people traveling through Mexico to the US. I trust the preponderance of reports from news, government agencies, non-government agencies, and the people traveling through Mexico to the US.

You regularly claim everyone is wrong and you are right. You habitually say the preponderance of reports from news, government agencies, non-government agencies and the actual 2.2 million people traveling through Mexico to the US are all wrong and that you know the real truth.

Yet when you are pressed, you get prickly and offer very little, if anything, to back up what you say.

My news sources are not like the news sources you are accustomed to...

Everyone thinks the news sources they trust are trustworthy and unbiased.

You don't know my news sources, so you have no idea what I'm accustomed to.

I've seen crying kids, sick kids, abandoned kids, dead kids, signs looking for kids who disappeared...

I believe you have. I asked what's the total number of kids you have seen crying across all of the reports you have seen?

I asked that to point out to you that seeing video or photos of what some of the people are going through doesn't necessarily give an accurate portrayal of what most are going through, or of what is accurately typical.

Showing the experience of a few hundred people can actually give a inaccurate portrayal of what millions are actually going trough. That's why I don't let my opinion get shaped by emotionally charged stories, photos or videos. I look for reporting on objective information and statistics.

Can't tell you an exact number. And I can only speak for what's reported in MX.

I understand that.

I asked you total number of kids that you have heard reports of them disappearing, dying or being sex trafficked to make a similar point as above.

My point is that those reports you hear give a very narrow view of the complete picture and shouldn't be relied on exclusively or heavily to be informed about the complete picture.

No one told me there was going to be mathz.

I asked you what the percentage of 1000's divided by more than 2.2 million, to illustrate that news reports alone never give us a complete picture.

Karma is a birch, because she made it to the U.S. and then promptly got arrested for assault and battery in Texas, sentenced to 4 years in prison, then back to C.A. she goes.

Her one example does not make her a typical example, yet you seem to see her as typical of all.

Is that a fact?

The preponderance of reports from multiple groups from multiple nations say it is a fact.

There was a guy who used to post a bunch of videos of isolated incidents that he said proved the Proud Boys were just good old boys trying to keep Antifa terrorists in check. He posted literally hundreds of videos.

It never proved what he claimed about Proud Boys, because his claims were not accurate.

Feel free to post as many videos of isolated incidents as you want. It's still not going to prove what you say is true. Videos of incidents are not a terrible tool for trying to get an accurate understanding of a complex situation and wide reaching situation.
I have posted links to reports with videos and pictures... or do you think I made those up, or that the MX media is lying? Would you like me to post more of them?

I am a citizen of both countries. I may spend most of the year in MX now, but I still have interests in the U.S.

How does your citizenship and residency have anything to do with what I said?

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"I think being angry at US immigration policy is misplaced. Mexico is responsible for who travels through their country. No one else is. What you describe above is more a failing on Mexico's part than it is on the US's part, unless there's a treaty I don't know about that makes Mexico subservient to the US in regards to Mexico's immigration policies."​

Because Juan Trump (that's what Donald Trump calls the MX president, and indeed he's been the leftist version of Trump) lacks balls to stop it, and he got bamboozled into the whole 3rd safe country thing.

Yet, this is the first time you mentioned this or expressed any anger toward the Mexican president.

Up to this point, your anger and derisive judgement has been focused almost exclusively on the people traveling through Mexico. It seems to me you have a very low opinion and loathe the millions of people you clearly don't really know much about them.

Honestly, you seem to me to have the same bigotted contempt for immigrants from south of Mexico that too many white people in the US have toward immigrants from Mexico. I sincerely have a hard time discerning any differenes between your attitudes and their attitudes. I'm not saying my perception is accurate or making any accusatoins. I'm just telling you how you honestly come off to me when you talk about this.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Yeah, MS-13, the first gang ever in El Salvador. There were no gangs prior anywhere in Central America.

This is a straw man argument on your part, whether you intended it to be or not.

What history shows is that US deportation policies caused an increase in gang membership, gang disruption and gang corruption in Central America to the point it has overwhelmed government authority.

You have been shown reports that confirm that to be a fact. You say it's not true, but you don't offer anything but your word to support your word, you saying it doesn't make it so.

Instead of supporting your contrarian claim, you instead respond with the strawman snipe of "Yeah...there were no gangs prior anywhere in Central America."

Like I said before, if you are so cocksure of yourself, why do you get so prickly when people challenge the veracity of the claims you make?

 

[LA - L.A.]

Biden was accused of sexual assault. Are trials required for a woman to credibly accuse someone of sexual assault? Aren't you supporting Biden?

Please take it to the Biden thread.

 

[SystemShock]

Not so welcoming anymore... mouth wrote checks NYC can't cash.

 

[SystemShock]

5000+ immigrants blocking the only highway connecting the Yucatán Peninsula and Chiapas, and all of C.A. and S.A. to the rest of N.A., demanding papers and safe passage to the U.S. border.

Migrantes bloquean carretera en Chiapas para exigir salvoconductos para llegar a la frontera con EU

Se calcula que son más de 5 mil los migrantes que salieron de Tapachula desde la semana pasada y tras caminar más de 50 kilómetros se quedaron varados en este punto de la Panamericana.

www.proceso.com.mx

 

[SystemShock]

Closed parks in Chiapas to prevent what has happened to many public areas in Chiapas (and many other parts of MX), making parks toilets and trash dumps.

Cierran dos parques de Tapachula para evitar invasión de migrantes

Anteriormente estos espacios públicos los usaban para realizar sus necesidades fisiológicas

www.diariodelsur.com.mx

 

[SystemShock]

Common occurrences at INM offices and highways...

Attacking the INM offices.

Attacking the NG who want to enforce MX law.

 

[MT15]

What I am seeing here in the US is a fairly coordinated RW-GOP media and political campaign to make the immigration issue at the US southern border seem far worse than it actually is. The language is the tell. It’s not an “invasion” of rapists and murderers. Drugs are not mainly entering with these people seeking asylum. Two big lies being told. And now Abbott is leading GOP governors to write letters using the language of succession.

I am reading that Russia is pivoting all of its troll factory activity toward this effort. It is cheerleading the idea that TX should be its own country. Russia knows that the rise of MAGA will fulfill its wildest dreams about destroying the US from within. Rs have a fine bipartisan bill that will help, and MAGA wants it to fail.