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    A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

    Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

    It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

    Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

    Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

    Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

    Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

    And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.
     
    Honestly, that sounds like a pretty good deal. I’ll take it.
    i would hope he had issues with wetting himself.
    Trump would have no issues wetting himself, he'd just blame the Democrats then say he wets himself better than anyone who wets themselves, when i wet myself, i do it bigly ..
     
    You are ignoring for Biden that Presidents have discretionary power about how immigration is enforced. You criticized Trump about that, but you avoid it for Biden by acting like he has no power on immigration and acting like it's all left to Congress.

    There is very little the president can do.

    That is why 2019 had more illegal crossing than any year under Obama.

    it doesn't matter how bad the president wants to stop illegal immigration.
     
    That is why 2019 had more illegal crossing than any year under Obama.

    Does that mean that more people were caught trying to cross the border illegally in 2019?
    After all, you can't count those crossings you don't see. And if that is the case, then the BCP did better in 2019.

    it doesn't matter how bad the president wants to stop illegal immigration.

    It depends on the approach.
     
    Does that mean that more people were caught trying to cross the border illegally in 2019?
    After all, you can't count those crossings you don't see. And if that is the case, then the BCP did better in 2019.



    It depends on the approach.

    If higher numbers mean they are doing a better job, then Biden is the best ever. Either high numbers are bad, or they aren't.

    There isn't anything the president can do about it. The law we have on the books isn't designed to deal with the problem we have.

    The law doesn't allow us to deport a non Mexican back to Mexico. The only exception was when we had emergency powers during covid.
     
    If only somebody would try to do something.

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    If higher numbers mean they are doing a better job, then Biden is the best ever. Either high numbers are bad, or they aren't.

    I am asking you what do the numbers mean. For starters, where did you get the information?

    There isn't anything the president can do about it. The law we have on the books isn't designed to deal with the problem we have.

    Executive order. Still have to get approved by Congress, but is something the President can do.

    The law doesn't allow us to deport a non Mexican back to Mexico. The only exception was when we had emergency powers during covid.
    Soon it will.
     
    I am asking you what do the numbers mean. For starters, where did you get the information?



    Executive order. Still have to get approved by Congress, but is something the President can do.


    Soon it will.

    I'm citing the numbers posted on the CBP website. It's the only numbers that exist.

    There isn't anything legal the President can do with an executive order, or Trump would have done it. Congress needs to pass immigration reform.

    Congress hasn't been able to pass any meaningful immigration reform since 1996, and even that wasn't comprehensive reform like we need now.

    The foundation of our immigration law was passed in 1954. Things have changed since then.
     
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    I'm citing the numbers posted on the CBP website. It's the only numbers that exist.

    There isn't anything legal the President can do with an executive order, or Trump would have done it. Congress needs to pass immigration reform.

    Congress hasn't been able to pass any meaningful immigration reform since 1996, and even that wasn't comprehensive reform like we have now.

    The foundation of our immigration law was passed in 1954. Things have changed since then.
    because they all want something special in it for them, Dems and Repubs alike. Rs would rather have no legislation than give a little, well, thats their front anyway. They don't really want real immigration control, they just want a 'reason' why they can't pass it. they would lose too much donation funds if they actualy tried to do something about immigration..
     
    So I mostly skimmed this, but it seems to be money to handle people once they are here, not prevent entry. I think want people are looking for is something to curb the tide of people entering not just better ways to house and expedite them once they are here.

    Disclaimer: As I skimmed it I may have missed some prevention measures.
    It would help temendously if when they are coming here, we can get everything documented in a timely manner legally. If they know its gonna take years to even have their case looked at, they will not attempt to do it leagally.
    If i remember correctly, if you enter illegally, you can't even try to go through the process, that you will be denied on that principle.
     
    because they all want something special in it for them, Dems and Repubs alike. Rs would rather have no legislation than give a little, well, thats their front anyway. They don't really want real immigration control, they just want a 'reason' why they can't pass it. they would lose too much donation funds if they actualy tried to do something about immigration..

    Yea, that applies to pretty much every issue.

    Congress is broken.

    We need to vote out every single incumbent one year, that would send a message.

    Vote for the other guy, regardless.
     
    It would help temendously if when they are coming here, we can get everything documented in a timely manner legally. If they know its gonna take years to even have their case looked at, they will not attempt to do it leagally.
    But why "we"?

    Maybe the CBP should just be handing out green cards and SNAP cards at the border.

    You want a visa to go to Disneyworld? Gotta wait 4 years for a decision (not even the visa). Get to the border and say the password "asylum"? Come right in!

    If i remember correctly, if you enter illegally, you can't even try to go through the process, that you will be denied on that principle.

    It'd be denied because they are breaking the law.
     
    Well more funding for judge teams and asylum officers will make it possible to process asylum applications quicker - which also means rejecting those who doesn't qualify quickly. If someone is stuck in the system for years they may settle down and if rejected be granted a humanitarian visa. If cases are processed in months rather than years it is far easier to evict those who do not qualify expediently.
     

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