2024 GOP Presidential Race (2 Viewers)

fooferdoggie said:

because they want charter or private schools. really they want kids stupid so they will vote republican.

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I dunno. I was in both private and public schools and overall, I feel like I learned a lot more at private schools. That said, that was 30-40 years ago. It could be different now. Also, not all private schools are created equal.

superchuck500 said:

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You mean they finally found someone who was actually funded by Soros?

This is imo a fair and balanced reflection piece by CNN
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I viewed a Youtube video that had guests who commented on last night.
Both guests think Nikki H. helped herself nationally. They said she was definitely not auditioning for VP and she presented herself as a reasonable candidate.....as someone looking toward the General Election rather than appealing to the GOP base.

This guy sums it up succinctly, lol

SteveSBrickNJ said:

I viewed a Youtube video that had guests who commented on last night.
Both guests think Nikki H. helped herself nationally. They said she was definitely not auditioning for VP and she presented herself as a reasonable candidate.....as someone looking toward the General Election rather than appealing to the GOP base.

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Haley’s problem is that she seems totally sane and responsible one minute, and the next, she wackadoodle.

DaveXA said:

I dunno. I was in both private and public schools and overall, I feel like I learned a lot more at private schools. That said, that was 30-40 years ago. It could be different now. Also, not all private schools are created equal.

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I don't doubt that private schools in general provide a better education, because they typically have better students in general, and because paying for a school normally is self filtering for better students, but it also filters out the less wealthy students. Private schools bring a bevy of their own problems. One such problem is that many will teach the bible, or their own sacred text, as superior to science. Also, there will undoubtedly be places that they won't want to serve. It would be good for many communities, but it won't serve all of us as well as a public education that is mandated for all and all places. What eliminating private schools will serve is the ultra religious and it will save money for the upper classes that are paying extra for private schools. You hear people say that we can subsidize the poor, but if the public schools went away, soon the argument would be where do you cut off that subsidy, like with health care. You would hear people say that all should pay something, and soon the lower and middle classes would get squeezed.

I would support private charter schools if they subjected themselves to the same rules as public schools, and if public schools continue to receive adequate funding. However, private schools must play by the same rules, because they usually get extra privileges not given to public schools. They aren't required to take everyone. I don't think they are required to follow national standards. I don't know if they have to make all of the special accommodations, such as for disabilities. I don't know if they have to provide transportation for everyone. If it were apples to apples, and all got served at least at a minimal level of education, then it would be fine for lower classes to get vouchers to choose, but I wouldn't want the public schools to lose all of the funding when that student leaves, because the public schools need to be maintained to assure all get served. By the way, this would end up costing more overall.

superchuck500 said:

Haley’s problem is that she seems totally sane and responsible one minute, and the next, she wackadoodle.

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I don't recall Haley seeming wackadoodle yesterday. The worst thing I recall yesterday is her support for the nominee, no matter who it is. What did you think was wacky?

I did not watch the Bull shirtters Debate, but it’s been reported that when asked “If The Head Liar is convicted, will you still support his sorry arse?“ seven of the nine candidates raised their hands. I embellished that a little. If this does not say it all, label the GOP as Party of Self Destructive LOSERS, I don’t know what does.


We all know what Trump is, and if you want to look inside the brains of the Cult:

for what it's worth
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The Republican candidates for president revealed more than they thought on Wednesday night.

I’ve been studying nonverbal communication for over 50 years, 25 of them as an FBI agent specializing in decoding human behavior. I learned that humans are fairly good at lying — but they’re lousy at concealing their true emotions, especially when stressed. We reveal our unspoken thoughts in our bodies: faces flushed with embarrassment, lips pursed at unwelcome questions, fingers covering the neck dimple when discussing a touchy subject. I once interviewed a spy whose cigarette hand shook every time I mentioned the name of a co-conspirator.

Body language is the primary means by which we communicate, revealing our true thoughts and feelings. It tells stories that canned speeches do not.

And what a story it told at last night’s GOP primary debate.

As the eight Republican candidates — Trump, the frontrunner, was conspicuously absent — traded rhetorical blows, I watched with the sound off to focus solely on their body language: the handshakes, the gestures, the revealing facial expressions. Then I turned the sound on to assess how their tone of voice and words matched or conflicted with their nonverbal language. Through body language alone, the candidates revealed their passion, their resolve, their hopes and fears — and they might just have won some precious undecided voters to their side.

Here’s what I noticed at this debate:

Ron DeSantis looked angry​

As Trump’s closest rival, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis spoke first. He was a little nervous, as to be expected from the opening candidate: His lips quivered. He also looked almost angry. His voice was forceful and lacked modulation, which made it hard for viewers to distinguish his most important points. And throughout most of the event, he failed to smile. That may not seem like much, but part of leading is showing all sides of your personality.

DeSantis has been criticized — even by his own party! — for being socially inept. But I did not see that. I saw a very serious candidate who is concerned about the issues; it’s clear from the tension in his face. His glabella (the space between your eyebrows) furrowed, which along with his emphatic hand gestures expressed his concern. DeSantis’ body language may not have communicated likeability, an important factor for undecided voters looking for a candidate they can trust, but he did show viewers that he considers the issues raised in the debate to be of the utmost importance.

Vivek Ramaswamy had a ball​

Former biotech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy consistently looked the most comfortable on stage, almost as if he was having fun. He smiled frequently and seemed to enjoy the audience’s chorus of cheers and boos.

His gestures were the broadest and the most emphatic of the pack. When you make broad gestures, you lend more power to your words than someone gesturing lightly or not at all. Ramaswamy also made repeated use of what’s called a precision grip — with his index finger and thumb making an OK sign — which people use to show that they have command of a topic.

His beaming smile garnered attention and defanged his detractors. But former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley turned that smile into what we call a grimace — teeth visible, high tension in the face — during one of their fiery interchanges. In part, that could be because Ramaswamy spread his arms so wide that he infringed on Haley’s space, a violation our brains interpret as threatening..........

Nikki Haley tensed her jaw for a fight​

Former South Carolina Governor and Secretary to the United Nations Nikki Haley used her hands to demarcate her arguments, but it was the tension in her face that jumped out to me. She tensed her jaw as she spoke, demonstrative of her conviction. Her voice varied more than the other candidates, reflecting a range of nuanced feelings about the complex topics they discussed.

Haley also delivered one of the highlights of the debate when she unleashed an unrelenting vocal barrage on Ramaswamy, who clashed with her multiple times. It revealed her strong will, her passion and her years of experience. Her body language told her opponents that she is not to be trifled with...........

It's a shame really...they're all just blatantly posturing to be the next VP candidate on Trumps '24 ticket - Except for Christie.

The way all those posers slowly raised their hands after Vivek to the would you vote for Trump question:

The GOP as we all knew and hated is dead...a GD shame

BayouSAINTJoe said:

It's a shame really...they're all just blatantly posturing to be the next VP candidate on Trumps '24 ticket - Except for Christie.

The way all those posers slowly raised their hands after Vivek to the would you vote for Trump question:

The GOP as we all knew and hated is dead...a GD shame

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Haley and Asa also spoke out against Trump, so I don't think Christie is the only one that was not posturing to be VP.

I don't think Mike Pence is trying to be the VP to Trump.

Vivek seemed to me to be the only one running to be Trump's lap dog, I mean VP.

It's his only play really. He isn't going to beat the field and even if he did start to trend, they haven't even brought out the big guns against him - he's Hindu. That's a problem he can't overcome without being VP or Sec of State - and he has no chance of being that.

Lapaz said:

I don't recall Haley seeming wackadoodle yesterday. The worst thing I recall yesterday is her support for the nominee, no matter who it is. What did you think was wacky?

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Perhaps wacky is an overstatement. But she has said she would pardon Donald Trump, she throws around the “socialism” a lot (a huge peeve of mine), she’s really weak on climate, she is very pro gun (arm schools, broad concealed carry, anti red-flag laws).

I’m just saying she can be so sensible and measured on some issues but then turn around and say “we can’t trust the government to decide when someone has proven themselves too unstable for a gun” and the “socialist democrats want to take your gas car away.”

@superchuck500

I believe what Nikki Haley is doing is called "pandering"

And it is annoying AF

I am renaming Desantis to KU KUXsantis.

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superchuck500 said:

Haley’s problem is that she seems totally sane and responsible one minute, and the next, she wackadoodle.

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CoolBrees said:

@superchuck500

I believe what Nikki Haley is doing is called "pandering"

And it is annoying AF

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Yea I think she’s playing long game for the general, but knows she has to throw in some red meat every now and then to make it out of the primary.