Is Russia about to invade Ukraine? (1 Viewer)

superchuck500 · Jan 18, 2022

Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.

VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.

www.nytimes.com

Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

How to think about war in Ukraine

Start with the Ukrainians

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SaintForLife · Jul 29, 2023

MT15 said:
It’s always a good idea to know who you are reading and what biases they hold. As usually the case, SFL is using extreme sources. In this case it’s a leftist extreme source. In my experience radical left sources tend to parrot a lot of Russian disinformation about Ukraine. Anyway, here is part of what MediaBiasFactCheck says about this site especially concerning the Russian invasion:

“Consortium News holds strong anti-war positions, which has resulted in media credibility rater Newsguard rating them with a Red Shield, indicating they are not credible. Newsguard cites the publication of false or misleading information regarding Ukraine. However, our review indicates that most information is factual and evidence-based. They are clearly biased, but the opinions presented are anchored in fact and perhaps exaggerated.”

Newsguard has flagged Consortium News for false or misleading information on Ukraine.

Says the Democratic partisan who likes to post anything from the Neocons like Bill Krystol, David Frum, and idiots like Jennifer Rubin, etc.

Newsguard?

You are citing a DOD funded company.

You are so far into government propaganda and either you have no idea or you don't care.

LA - L.A. · Jul 29, 2023

@SaintForLife , be forthright, direct and honest, do you want the US to help Ukraine less in their efforts to drive Russia out?

What do you want the US to do in regards to Ukraine?

Do you want Ukraine to let Russia have the Crimea and the other Ukrainian territory that Russia has invaded?

What do you see as the right way to end the war?

MT15 · Jul 29, 2023

SaintForLife said:
Says the Democratic partisan who likes to post anything from the Neocons like Bill Krystol, David Frum, and idiots like Jennifer Rubin, etc.

Newsguard? You are citing a DOD funded company.

You are so far into government propaganda and either you have no idea or you don't care.

You mean to tell me that the purveyors of Russian propaganda are complaining about the folks that are exposing their lies?

You are such a gullible patsy. Honestly.

MediBiasFactCheck has a report on Newsguard:

SaintForLife · Jul 29, 2023

MT15 said:
You mean to tell me that the purveyors of Russian propaganda are complaining about the folks that are exposing their lies? You are such a gullible patsy. Honestly.

MediBiasFactCheck has a report on Newsguard:

You are shown that you are parroting a DOD funded company that tells us who is biased and then you try to double down on their credibility? What a joke

SaintForLife · Jul 29, 2023

MT15 said:
This isn’t consistent with your posting history, like at all. This is why you get push back, because you’re not upfront about who you are or what you believe.

You are a huge Democratic partisan. I've never seen anyone on a message board that worships the Democratic Party like you do.

MT15 · Jul 29, 2023

SaintForLife said:
You are shown that you are parroting a DOD funded company that tells us who is biased and then you try to double down on their credibility? What a joke

We have shown you many times all the lies that your buddies tell, and you ignore us. But you will ridicule this site without any proof at all - meanwhile believing every extreme news source you can get your hands on.

You should ask a few questions when you see tweets like those you posted above. They don’t provide you any of this information.

What portion of the budget does the DOD award represent?
Is there any sort of editorial control associated with the award?

What I showed you was that an independent watchdog evaluated NewsGuard and gave them their highest rating. They judged them right down the middle, no bias, no slant.

So is it your contention that any type of government money given to an organization means that they are controlling them? We don’t know, but your buddies sure aren’t telling us that.

SaintForLife said:
You are a huge Democratic partisan. I've never seen anyone on a message board that worships the Democratic Party like you do.

Nope, wrong again. You are projecting your own partisanship. I’ve explained it many times - raised to be an independent voter. Voted that way my entire life, for the person, not the party. Until Trump and the R party lost their minds and became extremists. Now I do support Democrats, mostly, although I did vote for a R candidate for county sheriff because I thought he would do a better job. 2018 was the very first time I ever voted a straight ticket in my life. And then voted for 1 R in 2020.

You don’t really know anything about what you are saying. It amazes me how wrong one person can be about everything.

LA - L.A. · Jul 29, 2023

SaintForLife said:
You are a huge Democratic partisan. I've never seen anyone on a message board that worships the Democratic Party like you do.

Going with the classic, "I'm rubber, you're glue".

cuddlemonkey · Jul 29, 2023

LA - L.A. said:
@SaintForLife , be forthright, direct and honest, do you want the US to help Ukraine less in their efforts to drive Russia out?

What do you want the US to do in regards to Ukraine?

Do you want Ukraine to let Russia have the Crimea and the other Ukrainian territory that Russia has invaded?

What do you see as the right way to end the war?

This was ignored in multiple posts. Shocking...

SaintForLife · Jul 30, 2023

cuddlemonkey said:
This was ignored in multiple posts. Shocking...

I can't respond to everyone of yalls posts. Considering how you constantly try to lecture me on how and what I should post, you don't get to dictate to me what I should post.

SaintForLife · Jul 30, 2023

MT15 said:
We have shown you many times all the lies that your buddies tell, and you ignore us. But you will ridicule this site without any proof at all - meanwhile believing every extreme news source you can get your hands on.

No proof at all of it being funded by the DOD and that the guy who created the global mass surveillance system that was later found to be illegal?

MT15 said:
You should ask a few questions when you see tweets like those you posted above. They don’t provide you any of this information.

What portion of the budget does the DOD award represent?
Is there any sort of editorial control associated with the award?

If you are interested in those things then look them up yourself.

MT15 said:
What I showed you was that an independent watchdog evaluated NewsGuard and gave them their highest rating. They judged them right down the middle, no bias, no slant.

I'd be curious how they rated they NYTs even with all their deceit and deception from the Russigate years. I bet they ignored that.

MT15 said:
So is it your contention that any type of government money given to an organization means that they are controlling them? We don’t know, but your buddies sure aren’t telling us that.

Any company or agency that claims to tell us whats true or not or whats biased or not and is funded by the government should automatically be considered suspect. But I know you like the government telling us what we can say or not.

MT15 said:
Nope, wrong again. You are projecting your own partisanship. I’ve explained it many times - raised to be an independent voter. Voted that way my entire life, for the person, not the party. Until Trump and the R party lost their minds and became extremists. Now I do support Democrats, mostly, although I did vote for a R candidate for county sheriff because I thought he would do a better job. 2018 was the very first time I ever voted a straight ticket in my life. And then voted for 1 R in 2020.

You don’t really know anything about what you are saying. It amazes me how wrong one person can be about everything.

Can you point out one of your posts where had you criticized Biden?

MT15 · Jul 30, 2023

So, no, you have no proof that DOD is doing anything nefarious with NewsGuard, and you don’t care to find out. You just want to believe your extremist buddies that there is something illicit going on and have not even enough interest in the truth to lift a finger. Got it.

The rest of your post is just blathering and not worth any response.

SaintForLife · Jul 30, 2023

MT15 said:
So, no, you have no proof that DOD is doing anything nefarious with NewsGuard, and you don’t care to find out. You just want to believe your extremist buddies that there is something illicit going on and have not even enough interest in the truth to lift a finger. Got it.

The rest of your post is just blathering and not worth any response.

Feel free to let the government tell you what's true or not. I won't. Once again, I know you support censorship..I mean fighting "disinformation."

MT15 · Jul 30, 2023

Because I have a little time and this was easy:

“Newsguard is a for-profit company that began with 6 million dollars of seed funding. Investors include the two co-founders and notable groups such as the Knight Foundation and Cox Investment Holdings. A complete list of the seed donors can be found here. Newsguard generates revenue by licensing its ratings to advertisers, who use them to determine what sites are safe to advertise. They have also formed a partnership with Microsoft by having their extension built into the Edge Browser. Newsguard is currently seeking more partnerships and licensing agreements.”

This is from the profile in the MediaBiasFactCheck article on Newsguard. SFL posted a grant from DOD for less than $800K. So, not a significant source of funding when the seed funding was $6M.

“Newsguard reviews and rates media and information sources using a 100-point scale. Each source is rated on 9 different criteria and with each criterion having a different weight that totals 100 for a perfect score. Any score of 60 or above will be given a green shield, and those below 60 will receive a red shield. Newsguard also provides a “Nutrition Label” to explain how they came to their conclusions. The nutrition label is well-sourced and offers examples to support its claims.

In review, Newsguard reviews media websites and rates them according to the criteria listed above. The information provided on their nutrition labels is thorough and appropriately sourced. They also do not use loaded words and maintain a neutral tone in their reviews. We found that many sources are given a green shield rating that we rate Mixed for factual reporting. This indicates that they have a different standard in their ratings.”

So, you could have a conversation about their methods, but they apply them consistently. They call things consistently. Just waving around a grant from DOD, without showing how they are being unduly influenced, is meaningless. Just complete rubbish.

So, SFL, can you show me how Newsguard is biased?

MT15 · Jul 30, 2023

SaintForLife said:
Feel free to let the government tell you what's true or not. I won't. Once again, I know you support censorship..I mean fighting "disinformation."

You can smear me all you want, it won’t make you correct about anything. Read what I just posted about the funding for Newsguard. It isn’t anywhere close to being funding by the government.

SaintForLife · Jul 30, 2023

MT15 said:
Because I have a little time and this was easy:

“Newsguard is a for-profit company that began with 6 million dollars of seed funding. Investors include the two co-founders and notable groups such as the Knight Foundation and Cox Investment Holdings. A complete list of the seed donors can be found here. Newsguard generates revenue by licensing its ratings to advertisers, who use them to determine what sites are safe to advertise. They have also formed a partnership with Microsoft by having their extension built into the Edge Browser. Newsguard is currently seeking more partnerships and licensing agreements.”

This is from the profile in the MediaBiasFactCheck article on Newsguard. SFL posted a grant from DOD for less than $800K. So, not a significant source of funding when the seed funding was $6M.

“Newsguard reviews and rates media and information sources using a 100-point scale. Each source is rated on 9 different criteria and with each criterion having a different weight that totals 100 for a perfect score. Any score of 60 or above will be given a green shield, and those below 60 will receive a red shield. Newsguard also provides a “Nutrition Label” to explain how they came to their conclusions. The nutrition label is well-sourced and offers examples to support its claims.

In review, Newsguard reviews media websites and rates them according to the criteria listed above. The information provided on their nutrition labels is thorough and appropriately sourced. They also do not use loaded words and maintain a neutral tone in their reviews. We found that many sources are given a green shield rating that we rate Mixed for factual reporting. This indicates that they have a different standard in their ratings.”

So, you could have a conversation about their methods, but they apply them consistently. They call things consistently. Just waving around a grant from DOD, without showing how they are being unduly influenced, is meaningless. Just complete rubbish.

So, SFL, can you show me how Newsguard is biased?

I don't need to show they are biased. I don't trust anyone who's telling the public what they should believe or not if they are funded by the government. If you want to trust them, go for it.

MT15 · Jul 30, 2023

SaintForLife said:
I don't need to show they are biased. I don't trust anyone who's telling the public what they should believe or not if they are funded by the government. If you want to trust them, go for it.

You made the accusation that they are biased. Check that, people on Twitter implied that without any real proof and you eagerly accepted their assertions. Well, at least you are admitting your nonsensical beliefs at this point.

I’ve shown that, as measured by at least one media watchdog, they are not biased. I’ve also shown that the money that your guy says was given by the DOD (which wasn‘t properly sourced, but was a screenshot) was a paltry sum compared to their seed money, and their mission statement says that no entities that set them up with funding are allowed any input into their ratings.

So, this all seems reasonable to me. Do they bear watching? Of course. And folks like MediaBiasFactCheck will continue monitoring. But to dismiss everything they do, as you do, seems to me to be only because you don’t like what they found. They are trying to show you that you are consuming extremely biased media, but you refuse to see it.

Where do the random people you post on Twitter get their funding? Do they even publicize it? Do you ever question their motives like you do anyone who says something that conflicts with what you want so desperately to be true?

These are all rhetorical questions, BTW, no need to respond. Your posting shows us everything we need to know.

MT15 · Jul 30, 2023

SaintForLife said:
I can't respond to everyone of yalls posts. Considering how you constantly try to lecture me on how and what I should post, you don't get to dictate to me what I should post.

You could reply to this post, but not to the original questions? Why is that? As said, I suspect you are not forthright about your beliefs.

MT15 · Jul 30, 2023

Well, this isn’t great. On the other hand, how demented would Putin have to be to think he can start something with Poland? At the very least this should confirm the idea that he never wanted to stop with Ukraine, but he wanted to resurrect the USSR.

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