Does Trump ever do any jail time? (15 Viewers)

superchuck500 said:

Redacted affidavit released. (This is the sworn basis upon which the application for search warrant is sought).

EDIT - Upon review, the redactions are heavy. Not unexpected. This isn't going to be the revelation some had hoped.

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That's curious. I'm assuming that writing on Top Secret documents is a form of modification that's illegal.

I wonder what he wrote on them? Maybe, "MINE! MINE! MINE!"

coldseat said:

That's curious. I'm assuming that writing on Top Secret documents is a form of modification that's illegal.

I wonder what he wrote on them? Maybe, "MINE! MINE! MINE!"

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Probably stuff like: "make sure this goes with me when i leave"

coldseat said:

That's curious. I'm assuming that writing on Top Secret documents is a form of modification that's illegal.

I wonder what he wrote on them? Maybe, "MINE! MINE! MINE!"

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"Planted by FBI"

Prosecutors scrutinizing Donald Trump for possible mishandling of classified information will have to do so without a key legal and factual element that has long been a staple of such cases, according to intelligence experts.

That’s because, unlike the vast majority of federal workers who access secret information, presidents are not made to sign paperwork on classified documents as part of their joining or leaving the government.


Typically, when a person gets access to restricted information, they are “read in” — a process that includes signing documents at the outset in which they acknowledge the legal requirements not to share information on sensitive programs with unauthorized people or keep classified documents in unauthorized places.

When they leave such jobs, they are “read out,” again acknowledging in writing their legal responsibilities and declaring that they do not have any classified documents in their possession.


David Priess, a former CIA officer who is now the publisher of Lawfare, a national security website and podcast producer, said presidents are not read out of classified programs when they leave office. That, he said, “is because presidents are not formally read in.”


Said Priess: “There’s a myth out there that presidents have a formal security clearance. They don’t.”


The “commander in chief has the ability to classify or declassify documents,” Priess said, by virtue of having been elected president by the American people. “

A former president might receive access to limited classified material after leaving office to assist with writing memoirs or at the discretion of the current president, but a formal security clearance isn’t involved.”

In past classified-mishandling cases involving non-presidents, the formal paperwork of being read in and out of classified matters has been an important part of the investigation.

When retired general and former CIA director David H. Petraeus pleaded guilty in 2015 to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified information, for example, the court papers stated he had repeatedly signed documents saying he would not improperly share or keep classified material…….

In 2012, as Petraeus left the CIA, he signed a document that declared, “I give my assurance that there is no classified material in my possession, custody, or control at this time.” That document later became part of the case against him.


But Trump, like his predecessors, apparently did not sign such paperwork, which could have legal significance for how prosecutors view his case……

“It is yet another reason why criminally investigating and prosecuting a former president has complexities,” said Brandon Van Grack, a lawyer in private practice who previously worked classified-mishandling cases when he was a federal prosecutor.

“What it highlights is the criminal case is focused on what happened after May, not about what happened before then.”


A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment on how the apparent lack of a read-out or read-in for Trump might affect prosecutors’ legal analysis of the facts in the Trump case……

coldseat said:

That's curious. I'm assuming that writing on Top Secret documents is a form of modification that's illegal.

I wonder what he wrote on them? Maybe, "MINE! MINE! MINE!"

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No, that’s not quite true.

The handwritten notes simply create a new classified document that is classified at the highest level it was previous classified or the level required by the content of the notes.

It’s called derivative classification, it’s where someone creates a classified document based on other classified documents.

MT15 said:

Oh, good grief. First that Chinese spy during his term, now this:

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is it me or is her thumb larger than his?

UriUT said:

Wow. It seems that doj moved too slowly to remove those material.

And they better make sure there arent more hidden.

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They really bent over backwards to get Trump to comply with the law. Also - how do they know those classified documents weren‘t photographed? That’s a scary thought.

superchuck500 said:

Redacted affidavit released. (This is the sworn basis upon which the application for search warrant is sought).

EDIT - Upon review, the redactions are heavy. Not unexpected. This isn't going to be the revelation some had hoped.

DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

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I'm not sure we learned anything we didn't already know from this.

Gosh I hate the internet sometimes...

So much for the narrative he had all the documents secured:

MT15 said:

So much for the narrative he had all the documents secured:

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Hope they checked the toilets too.

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KARMA is when you run for office on the slogan of locking up your political opponent and then get charged with espionage.

I think we need to start considering that the unthinkable might have happened.

Optimus Prime said:

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KARMA is when you run for office on the slogan of locking up your political opponent and then get charged with espionage.

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Also, a lot of lies are being regurgitated about HRC, including right here.

MT15 said:

They really bent over backwards to get Trump to comply with the law. Also - how do they know those classified documents weren‘t photographed? That’s a scary thought.

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They really did. Which implies that someone buying the argument, "if the doj can do this to the ex-pres, then they can do it to you" really have zero critical thought. And who's to say that some of those info haven't already been compromised by foreign agents and have our sources killed? This whole thing is garbage and was predicted back in 2016.

edit: and we have instances where he damaged our intelligence gathering ability WHILE in office. The Israeli one when he hosted 2 russians in the oval office. Our ability to spy on the Iranian failed missile launch. Those are just what comes to mind for me now. And how did I forget that he allowed Kushner to give MBS all the names of his opposition that lead to a purge.