All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

Farb · Jun 17, 2021

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

MT15 · Aug 4, 2022

Farb said:
LOL.
Hey look, the church of satan listed my political affiliation on their website, it must be true. The church of satan is known for speaking the truth.
While it is probable that when a lefty reads that their political party is for something, they take it at face value. Heck, look at all of you thinking removing healthy organs off of children is a sound medical practice.
But yes, they do list every political party and it is probably correct. The worship of one's self is alive and well in this country, regardless of you voted for. I wouldn't doubt a few well know Reps are practicing members.

You are either lying or trolling. Which is it?

Nobody is removing healthy organs from children, and nobody on this site has endorsed such a thing.

MT15 · Aug 4, 2022

Farb said:
Please explain how saying that leftism has become the worship of the self and evil and showing how that belief system is tied to the church of satan a lie? Show me where I lied and when I was wrong on the worship of ones self?

I noticed you have not provided any examples of me lying. You say it by far the most, so when are you going to show me my lies or are you just going to keep ingorning my requests but keep saying, much like the lie "safe, effective and free"?

I show you all the time. I just did in a couple posts. Oddly, though, you never acknowledge those posts of mine. It’s like they don’t exist.

cuddlemonkey · Aug 4, 2022

Farb said:
LOL.
Hey look, the church of satan listed my political affiliation on their website, it must be true. The church of satan is known for speaking the truth.
While it is probable that when a lefty reads that their political party is for something, they take it at face value. Heck, look at all of you thinking removing healthy organs off of children is a sound medical practice.
But yes, they do list every political party and it is probably correct. The worship of one's self is alive and well in this country, regardless of you voted for. I wouldn't doubt a few well know Reps are practicing members.

So it's a great resource for trying to prove your point, but it's not for showing that you're wrong. Gotcha. This is pathetic even for you.

Farb · Aug 4, 2022

samiam5211 said:
As someone who had my tonsils removed as a child against my will, i am with you.

Yikes, sorry to hear that. Did you sue the hospital for removing your healthy tonsils, did they think you were another patient with tonsillitis?

Farb · Aug 4, 2022

CoolBrees said:
You do know tha Chruch of Satan has nothing to do with Satan right? It is satire just like Flying Spaghetti Monster.

They are atheists. They are making fun of you.

I feel sad for you and your complete lack of nuance.

Wait, you mean to tell me the church of satan dont believe in God much less his fallen arcangle? Man, they sure got me good!

Farb · Aug 4, 2022

samiam5211 said:
How can they be Marxists and be in love with themselves?

According to @CoolBrees they are not real. They only organized and brought law suits against Texas for abortion rights to make fun of me.

They worship themselves, not love themselves.

Farb · Aug 4, 2022

MT15 said:
I show you all the time. I just did in a couple posts. Oddly, though, you never acknowledge those posts of mine. It’s like they don’t exist.

Oh, I know you say I am lying, I just never see the proof, it is almost as if you don't have any.

Farb · Aug 4, 2022

MT15 said:
You are either lying or trolling. Which is it?

Nobody is removing healthy organs from children, and nobody on this site has endorsed such a thing.

What if I am trying to educate you?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29507933/

Scroll down to the bottom and hit the link for 'Figures'

Do you notice there are 2 patients age 13, 5 that are aged 14, 18 girls 15 and 16?

So, you tell me, was I lying or trolling?

brandon · Aug 4, 2022

Farb said:
Do you notice there are 2 patients age 13, 5 that are aged 14, 18 girls 15 and 16?

So, you tell me, was I lying or trolling?

Well, here's an example of you implying that we thought 8 year olds should be able to make permanent decisions about their bodies:

Farb said:
Got it, So 8 year olds should be able to get tattoos if they feel like it. Strange take but not all that surprising.

And here's ten years old:

Farb said:
At what age though? You honestly can't think a 10 year old should have body autonomy. Right?

Ten years old again:

Farb said:
Or at the very least, use the drugs that we are using on pre-adolescence for chemical castration. Good enough for the 10 year olds, good enough for the groomers.

12 years old:

Farb said:
So, if a parent wants to get a 12 year old a boob job because she wants to be a stripper, it should be fine? Sounds crazy right? Just replace 'stripper' with boy and it doesn't sound crazy to you does it? Odd.

And it was here in my research that I realized...

@Farb

Farb said:
9 to 11 year old girls

is

Farb said:
8 to 12 year old

a

Farb said:
15 year old girl

little

Farb said:
8 year olds

too

Farb said:
12 year olds in this country that get pregnant

interested

Farb said:
Do you think 17 year olds should be able to do porn

in

Farb said:
17 year old

one

Farb said:
17 year olds

particular

Farb said:
14 year old girl

subject

Farb said:
grabbed the 10-year-old by the throat

and

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confused 12 year old

maybe

Farb said:
5 year olds

he

Farb said:
4 year old

doth

Farb said:
teaching of gender theory to 7 year olds

protest

Farb said:
sexual discussion with a 5 year old

just

Farb said:
discuss gender theory with a 4 year old

a

Farb said:
9 year olds and younger

bit

Farb said:
7 year old trans community

too

Farb said:
discussing sexuality to a 7 year old

much.

Farb said:
keeping a 5 year old on track

This isn't even all of it. Someone call the cops.

Farb said:
5 year olds questioning their gender

Farb said:
5 year old

Farb said:
5 year olds

Farb said:
genders for 6.5 year old

Farb said:
affirmation about your feelings from 6 year olds

Farb said:
4 year old

Farb said:
5 year olds

Farb said:
10 year old

MT15 · Aug 5, 2022

Farb said:
What if I am trying to educate you?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29507933/

Scroll down to the bottom and hit the link for 'Figures'

Do you notice there are 2 patients age 13, 5 that are aged 14, 18 girls 15 and 16?

So, you tell me, was I lying or trolling?

Okay, I knew there weren’t gender reassignment surgeries for minors, but I didn’t know they were doing a few breast reduction surgeries. I did read the article, however, did you? The original article, not the summary you linked? They found that 100% of the participants were happy with their choice to have the surgery, this was during a period of from 2-5 years after surgery. All minor participants had to consent themselves, have parental consent, and have multiple doctor referrals.

What is it that you object to here? So, is it your position that the government should interfere in these health choices also? Should there be any elective surgeries done on minors without government consent? Nose jobs? Repair of cleft palettes? Anything?

Look, I’m not pretending I can truly understand what these kids are going through, but I trust them and their parents and doctors to not be crazy. I have seen an acquaintance have a child, born female, who always wore boys clothes by choice, never wanted to ever wear anything other than boys clothes. She was elementary school age when I lost track of them. But i know her mom loved her and wanted to do the best thing for her. I also know trans kids have a huge risk of suicide, so we need to listen to them and help them. It would be better, imo, to use the puberty blocking drugs, which are reversible rather than surgery. But I’m not willing to tell these parents and doctors they aren’t doing the right thing. Maybe you are. Well, evidently you are willing to use the government to dictate to people how they raise their kids and how they live their lives. I just don’t know how you reconcile that in your heart.

coldseat · Aug 5, 2022

MT15 said:
Okay, I knew there weren’t gender reassignment surgeries for minors, but I didn’t know they were doing a few breast reduction surgeries. I did read the article, however, did you? The original article, not the summary you linked? They found that 100% of the participants were happy with their choice to have the surgery, this was during a period of from 2-5 years after surgery. All minor participants had to consent themselves, have parental consent, and have multiple doctor referrals.

What is it that you object to here? So, is it your position that the government should interfere in these health choices also? Should there be any elective surgeries done on minors without government consent? Nose jobs? Repair of cleft palettes? Anything?

Look, I’m not pretending I can truly understand what these kids are going through, but I trust them and their parents and doctors to not be crazy. I have seen an acquaintance have a child, born female, who always wore boys clothes by choice, never wanted to ever wear anything other than boys clothes. She was elementary school age when I lost track of them. But i know her mom loved her and wanted to do the best thing for her. I also know trans kids have a huge risk of suicide, so we need to listen to them and help them. It would be better, imo, to use the puberty blocking drugs, which are reversible rather than surgery. But I’m not willing to tell these parents and doctors they aren’t doing the right thing. Maybe you are. Well, evidently you are willing to use the government to dictate to people how they raise their kids and how they live their lives. I just don’t know how you reconcile that in your heart.

The true irony in all of this is that people like @Farb, who espouse this ultra religious combative doctrine, will never understand or admit the harm and danger they have caused to LGBTQ+ children for ridiculing them, demeaning them, silencing them and forcing them to live within the confines of their combative religious doctrine. But they will always be loudly self righteous in their proclamation that they do all of that for the "welfare of the child".

I know a lot of gay people, and we ALL have trauma from our childhood because of religion and religious butt crevasses. That's why so many gay people want nothing to do with it. If there's one common thread/experience through the LGBTQ+ population, it's that.

Farb · Aug 5, 2022

MT15 said:
Okay, I knew there weren’t gender reassignment surgeries for minors, but I didn’t know they were doing a few breast reduction surgeries. I did read the article, however, did you? The original article, not the summary you linked? They found that 100% of the participants were happy with their choice to have the surgery, this was during a period of from 2-5 years after surgery. All minor participants had to consent themselves, have parental consent, and have multiple doctor referrals.

What is it that you object to here? So, is it your position that the government should interfere in these health choices also? Should there be any elective surgeries done on minors without government consent? Nose jobs? Repair of cleft palettes? Anything?

Look, I’m not pretending I can truly understand what these kids are going through, but I trust them and their parents and doctors to not be crazy. I have seen an acquaintance have a child, born female, who always wore boys clothes by choice, never wanted to ever wear anything other than boys clothes. She was elementary school age when I lost track of them. But i know her mom loved her and wanted to do the best thing for her. I also know trans kids have a huge risk of suicide, so we need to listen to them and help them. It would be better, imo, to use the puberty blocking drugs, which are reversible rather than surgery. But I’m not willing to tell these parents and doctors they aren’t doing the right thing. Maybe you are. Well, evidently you are willing to use the government to dictate to people how they raise their kids and how they live their lives. I just don’t know how you reconcile that in your heart.

Wait, so they (doctors) are cutting off healthy breasts of minors aged as young as 12? But now that we established that, you new argument is 'everyone is happy with it'.
Are we sure I am the one here that needs to be called a liar over and over again.
Is this what you would call a 'strawman' or 'gaslighting'. Do I get an apology for being a called a liar over this the whole time? I don't expect one, so you are off the hook!

If you want to defend the practice of people making money off removing healthy body parts have at it. Nothing surprises me anymore.
You also have to support those that want to have a legs surgically removed because they identify as a crippled person.
https://dailycaller.com/2015/06/02/meet-the-transabled-able-bodied-people-who-identity-as-disabled/

I also want to tell people they should not abuse their children either. So yes, I have no problem telling someone that agrees to remove the breasts from a teenage girl that they are committing child abuse. The doctors and medical facilities that make money from this should be prosecuted and put out of business if not jail time. In my humble opinion.

Farb · Aug 5, 2022

coldseat said:
The true irony in all of this is that people like @Farb, who espouse this ultra religious combative doctrine, will never understand or admit the harm and danger they have caused to LGBTQ+ children for ridiculing them, demeaning them, silencing them and forcing them to live within the confines of their combative religious doctrine. But they will always be loudly self righteous in their proclamation that they do all of that for the "welfare of the child".

I know a lot of gay people, and we ALL have trauma from our childhood because of religion and religious butt crevasses. That's why so many gay people want nothing to do with it. If there's one common thread/experience through the LGBTQ+ population, it's that.

Is it religious doctrine to be against child abuse? If so, the call me Bishop.

coldseat · Aug 5, 2022

Farb said:
Is it religious doctrine to be against child abuse? If so, the call me Bishop.

Why don't you stop acting like you actually care about kids that are gay or trans.

MT15 · Aug 5, 2022

Farb said:
Wait, so they (doctors) are cutting off healthy breasts of minors aged as young as 12? But now that we established that, you new argument is 'everyone is happy with it'.
Are we sure I am the one here that needs to be called a liar over and over again.
Is this what you would call a 'strawman' or 'gaslighting'. Do I get an apology for being a called a liar over this the whole time? I don't expect one, so you are off the hook!

If you want to defend the practice of people making money off removing healthy body parts have at it. Nothing surprises me anymore.
You also have to support those that want to have a legs surgically removed because they identify as a crippled person.
https://dailycaller.com/2015/06/02/meet-the-transabled-able-bodied-people-who-identity-as-disabled/

I also want to tell people they should not abuse their children either. So yes, I have no problem telling someone that agrees to remove the breasts from a teenage girl that they are committing child abuse. The doctors and medical facilities that make money from this should be prosecuted and put out of business if not jail time. In my humble opinion.

You’re so self-righteous. It’s pretty sick to want to rule everyone. Put doctors and parents in jail because you don’t like what they are doing.

Breast reduction doesn’t cut off the breast, but we already know you don’t care about being accurate.

I don’t apologize for what I have said to you. There are plenty of other examples of you being untruthful. Just like saying that breast reduction is cutting off breasts.

Farb · Aug 5, 2022

coldseat said:
Why don't you stop acting like you actually care about kids that are gay or trans.

I can't. I actually care about kids. I, unlike you, don't really care who they are sexually attracted too. That is kind of weird.

coldseat · Aug 5, 2022

Farb said:
I can't. I actually care about kids. I, unlike you, don't really care who they are sexually attracted too. That is kind of weird.

All evidence in this thread point to the fact that you care entirely too much about who they're attracted too. I agree, it is weird.

Farb · Aug 5, 2022

MT15 said:
You’re so self-righteous. It’s pretty sick to want to rule everyone. Put doctors and parents in jail because you don’t like what they are doing.

Breast reduction doesn’t cut off the breast, but we already know you don’t care about being accurate.

I don’t apologize for what I have said to you. There are plenty of other examples of you being untruthful. Just like saying that breast reduction is cutting off breasts.

I agree. I am self righteous. Being right a lot helps

LOL, call it removal, reconstruction or whatever. You are still doing it to a healthy child. Are we also prepared to do that for the transable? If not, why not? What is different between a person that identifies as the opposite of abled bodied? Do you think there is a difference between the 2?

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