All Things LGBTQ+ (7 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[Farb]

who would have guessed this would happen

Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' law fuels anti-LGBTQ hate online

Research that analyzed social media posts finds that hateful references to gays, lesbians and other LGBTQ people surged online after Florida passed a law that bars instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity in kindergarten through third grade.

apnews.com

You mean that a pro-censorship group from England, who just arrested a man for 'causing someone anxiety from 'his' social media account' and posting a meme, found that there were mean comments on the internet after a controversial law, with an inappropriate media name, was passed?
Yeah, color me a wee bit shocked.

 

[coldseat]

Do you consider your 'group' the 'gays' all the same? All of my gay friends don't want to discuss their sex life to kids either, and 2 are teachers and another is a councilor.

Or are you saying there are not gays that are anti-straight? There are. Every 'group' that identity politics forces you into, they have also forced the bad apples of that group into your group. Enjoy. Just like I get to enjoy being grouped with racist, homophobic and bigoted white right wingers.
That is the main problem with identity politics. A necessary evil if the Dems are to win again though.

What? I can't translate this post and I don't know what it has to do with what I posted.

 

[coldseat]

What? I can't translate this post and I don't know what it has to do with what I posted.

I haven't met anybody (including all the gay people I know) obsessed with gay's and LGBTQ+ culture as much as @Farb is.

 

[MT15]

You know who else had posts expressing outrage at trans people and gender theory - the idiot that tried to attack and kill FBI agents in Cincinnati. There’s a real propaganda push on the gender topic. It’s all over the right wing internet, the FBI idiot uses similar language to what Farb is using discussing treatment of trans children. I saw some of his posts on Twitter. It’s no coincidence, someone is orchestrating an effort to frame the issue in this way.

Here are the accounts the idiot FBI attacker interacted with the most:

 

[Farb]

I haven't met anybody (including all the gay people I know) obsessed with gay's and LGBTQ+ culture as much as @Farb is.

Culture? What is the LGTBQ culture exactly? Now I am curious.

Funny thing though, most and that includes me, could careless about anyone being gay (yes, even catholic Farb) much less thinks someone who is attracted to the same sex is worthy of celebration just like most folks could care less about if you are attracted to the opposite sex. Most would not like exotic dancers at a school for elementary kids no matter what plumbing or sexual orientation or how exaggerated they dress. You would agree to that, correct?

 

[Farb]

You know who else had posts expressing outrage at trans people and gender theory - the idiot that tried to attack and kill FBI agents in Cincinnati. There’s a real propaganda push on the gender topic. It’s all over the right wing internet, the FBI idiot uses similar language to what Farb is using discussing treatment of trans children. I saw some of his posts on Twitter. It’s no coincidence, someone is orchestrating an effort to frame the issue in this way.

Here are the accounts the idiot FBI attacker interacted with the most:

Who?

Do your research on the founders of the gender theory and sexual revolution.

Kinsey, who invented the 'gay-scale'.
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/movies/alfred-kinsey-liberator-or-pervert.html
If you really want to deep dive, google 'Mr. Green' otherwise knows as Rex King. He provided 'research' to Kinsey. The research was notes taken as he molested children from 8 months to teens. Kinsey of course, hid his works but still used them, just created the 'Mr. Green' or 'Mr. X' in order to shield him from law enforcement. This was discovered by a director of the Kinsey Institute and he resigned after confirming this in an article.

And then we have our guy Money:

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pedophilia

"If I were to see the case of a boy aged ten or eleven who's intensely erotically attracted toward a man in his twenties or thirties, if the relationship is totally mutual, and the bonding is genuinely totally mutual … then I would not call it pathological in any way."

• John Money, in an interview for Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia, 1991. — Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia, Vol. II, nr 3 (spring 1991), p. 5

And the of course Foucault:
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/...ith-foucaults-sexual-abuse-of-boys-in-tunisia

Rumours of Foucault’s sexual abuse of children have long been known to Tunisians, but recently there has been a new devastating account by well-known French essayist Guy Sorman.

In an interview with the French public TV channel France 5 on March 5, Sorman confirmed that while visiting Foucault, he “witnessed what Foucault did with young children in Tunisia … ignoble things. The possibility of consent could not be sought. These were things of extreme moral ugliness.”

So I guess just because a guy is crazy and a thug that wants to kill cops still might be correct on the foundation of the 'woke sexual revolution' that is underway in the West. It seems to be ushered in by monsters. But I guess those monsters are not racist, so no reason to cancel them or anything drastic like that. LOL.

 

[coldseat]

Culture? What is the LGTBQ culture exactly? Now I am curious.

Funny thing though, most and that includes me, could careless about anyone being gay (yes, even catholic Farb) much less thinks someone who is attracted to the same sex is worthy of celebration just like most folks could care less about if you are attracted to the opposite sex. Most would not like exotic dancers at a school for elementary kids no matter what plumbing or sexual orientation or how exaggerated they dress. You would agree to that, correct?

I should have been more specific and sad "anything negative, derogatory and condemning" about LGBTQ culture and people. You obviously don't ever post anything positive. LGBTQ culture includes things like PRIDE and drag queens which you post incessantly about, you know it well. You post more about LGBTQ (negative in your case) stuff in general than anybody I know. Including all the gay people I know.

For the millionth time, I and all of the gay people you do and don't know could care less if you celebrate gay people or believe we're worthy of celebration.

 

[wardorican]

Culture? What is the LGTBQ culture exactly? Now I am curious.

Funny thing though, most and that includes me, could careless about anyone being gay (yes, even catholic Farb) much less thinks someone who is attracted to the same sex is worthy of celebration just like most folks could care less about if you are attracted to the opposite sex. Most would not like exotic dancers at a school for elementary kids no matter what plumbing or sexual orientation or how exaggerated they dress. You would agree to that, correct?

So, I get the point, but I do think you're conflating sexual orientation with sexual activity, promiscuity, smut.

If a straight man is talking about his wife or marriage, are we immediately thinking sex, exotic dancers, etc? No, that's silly. So, it's completely unfair to jump to that in all situations for LGTBQ+.

That being said, is there at times an oversexualization of LGTBQ+? Yes. However, there is also an oversexualization of everything in many public places, broadcast TV, etc. Might I point most people towards Telemundo for a slightly outrageous TV example, yet the US isn't too far off.

I think there is a reasonable argument for 'decency' standards. However, just being gay doesn't mean you're talking about men having sex. That's not how the context needs to go. I'd like to think, especially in schools and with younger kids, the message is much more innocent and rooted in "inclusion and acceptance". Don't judge a book by its cover. The quiet kid in the corner may just be shy, or has awful parents, don't be a jerk to them. Be nice to everyone.

I think, overall, there has been a lot of positive work towards acceptance, community, rules, that is, sadly, undermined by people making arguments like you are.

I mean, I'd expect that you want a good, orderly, productive society where people and their work/contributions are valued and benefit society as a whole. So, starting with kids being more accepting of people and opinions that are different from their own is one way to build that.

People support what they help create or felt like they had a voice in.

But yes, let's keep demonizing people who are different from you or think differently than you. I'm sure that will fix all of the ills in the world.

p.s. the culture is mostly acceptance, self-care, art, kindness, fashion, serving others. With a mix of a sort of, dare I say, naughy humor. A bigger question to ask is what is American Culture?

 

[MT15]

Who?

Do your research on the founders of the gender theory and sexual revolution.

Kinsey, who invented the 'gay-scale'.
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/movies/alfred-kinsey-liberator-or-pervert.html
If you really want to deep dive, google 'Mr. Green' otherwise knows as Rex King. He provided 'research' to Kinsey. The research was notes taken as he molested children from 8 months to teens. Kinsey of course, hid his works but still used them, just created the 'Mr. Green' or 'Mr. X' in order to shield him from law enforcement. This was discovered by a director of the Kinsey Institute and he resigned after confirming this in an article.

And then we have our guy Money:

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pedophilia

"If I were to see the case of a boy aged ten or eleven who's intensely erotically attracted toward a man in his twenties or thirties, if the relationship is totally mutual, and the bonding is genuinely totally mutual … then I would not call it pathological in any way."

• John Money, in an interview for Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia, 1991. — Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia, Vol. II, nr 3 (spring 1991), p. 5

And the of course Foucault:
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/...ith-foucaults-sexual-abuse-of-boys-in-tunisia

Rumours of Foucault’s sexual abuse of children have long been known to Tunisians, but recently there has been a new devastating account by well-known French essayist Guy Sorman.

In an interview with the French public TV channel France 5 on March 5, Sorman confirmed that while visiting Foucault, he “witnessed what Foucault did with young children in Tunisia … ignoble things. The possibility of consent could not be sought. These were things of extreme moral ugliness.”

So I guess just because a guy is crazy and a thug that wants to kill cops still might be correct on the foundation of the 'woke sexual revolution' that is underway in the West. It seems to be ushered in by monsters. But I guess those monsters are not racist, so no reason to cancel them or anything drastic like that. LOL.

You are cherry-picking 3 deviants who were - shock - protected by the establishment and using the fact that they were somewhat protected for a time to discredit an entire field of study. Which people are lying to you about in order to stoke this outrage and gather your clicks. Not to mention your subscriptions to their websites.

But sexual deviants - men, especially - have been protected by ALL institutions in every nook and cranny of our society. Churches, check. Boy Scouts, check. Schools, check. These monsters exist in every part of society. So can you give me a good reason why you are so outraged about the ones who existed in this particular field of study? Yet, we see no outrage over the Southern Baptists, for example, who have ongoing and current problems in this area?

 

[Farb]

I should have been more specific and sad "anything negative, derogatory and condemning" about LGBTQ culture and people. You obviously don't ever post anything positive. LGBTQ culture includes things like PRIDE and drag queens which you post incessantly about, you know it well. You post more about LGBTQ (negative in your case) stuff in general than anybody I know. Including all the gay people I know.

For the millionth time, I and all of the gay people you do and don't know could care less if you celebrate gay people or believe we're worthy of celebration.

Do you see a bunch of my posts celebrating heterosexuality? Or, do you see me posting about that things that I think have a negative impact on our society? I also post a lot about teacher being groomer and pedos and most of those are not LGTB, so not following your point.

No, I don't consider homosexuality to be a negative.

Pride parades are fine, just admit they are not 'family friendly' and stop making attempts to recruit families to attend. Otherwise, no one would care.

 

[Farb]

You are cherry-picking 3 deviants who were - shock - protected by the establishment and using the fact that they were somewhat protected for a time to discredit an entire field of study. Which people are lying to you about in order to stoke this outrage and gather your clicks. Not to mention your subscriptions to their websites.

But sexual deviants - men, especially - have been protected by ALL institutions in every nook and cranny of our society. Churches, check. Boy Scouts, check. Schools, check. These monsters exist in every part of society. So can you give me a good reason why you are so outraged about the ones who existed in this particular field of study? Yet, we see no outrage over the Southern Baptists, for example, who have ongoing and current problems in this area?

They are the founders of the gender theory. Money and Kinsey especially.

Really, you haven't seen the coverage of the protestant child abuse cases? I have but then again, child abuse is becoming my wheel house so I seek it out and pay attention when I hear about it, so not a judgment on you personally.

 

[coldseat]

Do you see a bunch of my posts celebrating heterosexuality?

You post a lot about how heterosexual marriages, sex and relationships are "under attack". Nobody is attacking heterosexual relationships or sex. But it's part of your victimized reality.

Or, do you see me posting about that things that I think have a negative impact on our society?

I see you posting a lot of negative BS about LGBTQ people that you claim has a "negative impact on our society" when it doesn't.

I also post a lot about teacher being groomer and pedos and most of those are not LGTB, so not following your point.

Sure. No coincidence that all of those "groomer" and "pedo" post about teachers started after Florida and DeSantis' "Don't Say Gay" bill came out. That wasn't at all about LGBTQ people.

No, I don't consider homosexuality to be a negative.

How can a "sin" not be negative in your eyes?

Pride parades are fine, just admit they are not 'family friendly' and stop making attempts to recruit families to attend. Otherwise, no one would care.

People who want to go to "PRIDE" parades can go. And those who don't want to go don't need to go. Why do you feel the need to police who goes and doesn't go to PRIDE parades?

 

[Farb]

So, I get the point, but I do think you're conflating sexual orientation with sexual activity, promiscuity, smut.

If a straight man is talking about his wife or marriage, are we immediately thinking sex, exotic dancers, etc? No, that's silly. So, it's completely unfair to jump to that in all situations for LGTBQ+.

That being said, is there at times an oversexualization of LGTBQ+? Yes. However, there is also an oversexualization of everything in many public places, broadcast TV, etc. Might I point most people towards Telemundo for a slightly outrageous TV example, yet the US isn't too far off.

I think there is a reasonable argument for 'decency' standards. However, just being gay doesn't mean you're talking about men having sex. That's not how the context needs to go. I'd like to think, especially in schools and with younger kids, the message is much more innocent and rooted in "inclusion and acceptance". Don't judge a book by its cover. The quiet kid in the corner may just be shy, or has awful parents, don't be a jerk to them. Be nice to everyone.

I think, overall, there has been a lot of positive work towards acceptance, community, rules, that is, sadly, undermined by people making arguments like you are.

I mean, I'd expect that you want a good, orderly, productive society where people and their work/contributions are valued and benefit society as a whole. So, starting with kids being more accepting of people and opinions that are different from their own is one way to build that.

People support what they help create or felt like they had a voice in.

But yes, let's keep demonizing people who are different from you or think differently than you. I'm sure that will fix all of the ills in the world.

p.s. the culture is mostly acceptance, self-care, art, kindness, fashion, serving others. With a mix of a sort of, dare I say, naughy humor. A bigger question to ask is what is American Culture?

All good points and you might be right. Some posts I might be conflating the 2. I will try and be more specific when discussing something that is nuanced between sexual orientation and sexual activity.

Same can be said the for the LTGBQ group. Do you not think they also combine sexuality and sexual practices? PRIDE parades are a perfect example. Did you know kids are not allowed during certain times and places during carnival in Brazil (I didn't until about 2 minutes ago).

I understand 'be nice to everyone' as I try to be, but I am a curmudgeon so it is difficult for me at times. However, I see a huge difference between 'tommy's parents are gay' vs 'Now lets get excited and clap for a man dressed as an oversexualized woman as she reads you guys a book!'

Over sexualization of the LTGTB community is on a few groups in that larger group. Most that I now in that group agree with that.

 

[MT15]

Thought provoking…

 

[MT15]

Posting this because we just had a member post a tweet from a stochastic terror account in another thread. Posting it in this more appropriate thread as well. We have to be better than to post tweets from these accounts. There’s more in the thread if you care to see all of it.

 

[Optimus Prime]

When a girl left her competitors in the dust at a state-level school sports competition in Utah last year, not everyone was impressed with her inspiring athleticism. The parents of the girls who came in second and third couldn’t accept the winner had simply “outclassed” their daughters—so they called her gender into question, sparking a secret investigation that delved into the winner’s personal history.

At a meeting of Utah Legislature’s Education Interim Committee on Wednesday, a school sports official recounted the grim probe, and added that it wasn’t an isolated incident. David Spatafore, the Utah High School Activities Association (UHSAA) legislative representative, told the committee that his organization had received multiple complaints in which parents claimed “that female athlete doesn’t look feminine enough.”

Spatafore would not disclose the sport or the school associated with the case where the winner had outclassed her competitors last year. But he did reveal that the UHSAA asked the student’s school to investigate by looking back through her school-enrollment records. “The school went back to kindergarten,” Spatafore said, “And she’d always been a female.”

Neither the pupil nor her family were told about the investigation. “We didn’t get to the parents or the student simply because if all of the questions about eligibility were answered by the school or the feeder system schools, there was no reason to make it a personal situation with a family or that athlete,” Spatafore explained, according to The Desert News.........

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[samiam5211]

When a girl left her competitors in the dust at a state-level school sports competition in Utah last year, not everyone was impressed with her inspiring athleticism. The parents of the girls who came in second and third couldn’t accept the winner had simply “outclassed” their daughters—so they called her gender into question, sparking a secret investigation that delved into the winner’s personal history.

At a meeting of Utah Legislature’s Education Interim Committee on Wednesday, a school sports official recounted the grim probe, and added that it wasn’t an isolated incident. David Spatafore, the Utah High School Activities Association (UHSAA) legislative representative, told the committee that his organization had received multiple complaints in which parents claimed “that female athlete doesn’t look feminine enough.”

Spatafore would not disclose the sport or the school associated with the case where the winner had outclassed her competitors last year. But he did reveal that the UHSAA asked the student’s school to investigate by looking back through her school-enrollment records. “The school went back to kindergarten,” Spatafore said, “And she’d always been a female.”

Neither the pupil nor her family were told about the investigation. “We didn’t get to the parents or the student simply because if all of the questions about eligibility were answered by the school or the feeder system schools, there was no reason to make it a personal situation with a family or that athlete,” Spatafore explained, according to The Desert News.........

MSN

www.msn.com

So I guess if her elementary school had lost the records, they would have had to call an OB/GYN.

 

[MT15]

When a girl left her competitors in the dust at a state-level school sports competition in Utah last year, not everyone was impressed with her inspiring athleticism. The parents of the girls who came in second and third couldn’t accept the winner had simply “outclassed” their daughters—so they called her gender into question, sparking a secret investigation that delved into the winner’s personal history.

At a meeting of Utah Legislature’s Education Interim Committee on Wednesday, a school sports official recounted the grim probe, and added that it wasn’t an isolated incident. David Spatafore, the Utah High School Activities Association (UHSAA) legislative representative, told the committee that his organization had received multiple complaints in which parents claimed “that female athlete doesn’t look feminine enough.”

Spatafore would not disclose the sport or the school associated with the case where the winner had outclassed her competitors last year. But he did reveal that the UHSAA asked the student’s school to investigate by looking back through her school-enrollment records. “The school went back to kindergarten,” Spatafore said, “And she’d always been a female.”

Neither the pupil nor her family were told about the investigation. “We didn’t get to the parents or the student simply because if all of the questions about eligibility were answered by the school or the feeder system schools, there was no reason to make it a personal situation with a family or that athlete,” Spatafore explained, according to The Desert News.........

MSN

www.msn.com

There’s at least one state where they legally could have forced her to have blood tests and a GYN exam. We all said this would happen. It’ll happen more and more frequently due to this engineered hysteria.