Now is not the time to talk about gun control (2 Viewers)

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    zztop said:
    saw this article, but like with all the other shootings, I'm doubtful anything will ever happen to help prevent future ones

    www.politico.com

    Two Professors Found What Creates a Mass Shooter. Will Politicians Pay Attention?

    Mass shooters overwhelmingly fit a certain profile, say Jillian Peterson and James Densley, which means it’s possible to ID and treat them before they commit violence.
    www.politico.com www.politico.com
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    Good read. One major problem I see is how do you get a kid like this last shooter to want help? How do you get him to say, ok, I'll go to the mental health provider you want me to? And if he hasn't done anything yet how could you force him?
     
    zztop said:
    just going to leave this here

    www.nytimes.com

    In More Than 100 G.O.P. Midterm Ads This Year: Guns, Guns, Guns

    For Republicans, brandishing firepower is a visual shorthand for hard-core conservatism. Democrats see little gain in highlighting an issue on which their party hasn’t been able to get much done.
    www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

    also, this went about as bad as one might imagine

    www.huffpost.com

    Donald Trump's Stiff Chant Of Uvalde Victims' Names At NRA Rally Curdles Critics' Blood

    He ended his speech praising the National Rifle Association with his trademark "dance" step.
    www.huffpost.com www.huffpost.com
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    The DNC should pay for a long commercial using the GOP gun ads cut with crying and screaming parents and newscasters announcing how many children were just killed
     
    zztop said:
    hmm not sure, maybe something like a baker act?
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    "Baker Act

    Baker Act​

    The Baker Act is a Florida law that enables families and loved ones to provide emergency mental health services and temporary detention for people who are impaired because of their mental illness, and who are unable to determine their needs for treatment. The Act was named after Maxine Baker, former Miami State representative who sponsored the Act in 1972. People who require the use of the Baker Act have often lost the power of self-control, and they are likely to inflict harm to themselves or others. It is important that the Baker Act only be used in situations where the person has a mental illness and meets all the remaining criteria for voluntary or involuntary admission. It does not substitute for any other law that may permit the provision of medical or substance abuse care to persons who lack the capacity to request such care"

    Still seems there's a hole there, but maybe that would work. I'm not sure whether or not Salvador Ramos did enough or showed enough impairment, long enough before the fact, to fall into this category even though he clearly needed the help.
     
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    brandon said:
    This isn’t Facebook, man. You’re going to have to try harder to make a coherent argument or quit wasting our time.

    Some punctuation wouldn’t hurt, either.
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    Lol so its the guns fault never mind the kid had a speech impediment was severely picked on and had mental issues was cutting himself and had been making threats for 4 years before he had ax gun .
    It was the guns fault obviously it made him cut himself and drove him crazy and made him mentally unstable and threaten to shoot up a school 4 years before he was able to buy one . yep clearly the guns fault . lol and its the cars fault when people get in one and wreck also and the knofes fault when they stab some one also . just like when joe blamed fuel prices and inflation on putin about a year before he invaded the Ukraine.

    Yes liberal logic makes so much sense.
    It must be coal and oils fault we have pollution also and its the waters fault when young kids are left alone outside by the pool and drown also.
    Makes perfect sense.
     
    BullSheetBuddha said:
    Good read. One major problem I see is how do you get a kid like this last shooter to want help? How do you get him to say, ok, I'll go to the mental health provider you want me to? And if he hasn't done anything yet how could you force him?
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    Gee do you think the fact he was cutting himself and threatening to shoot up a school for 4 years could of been a good reason to get him help and deny him gun rights ?
     
    the annoying thing said:
    Lol so its the guns fault never mind the kid had a speech impediment was severely picked on and had mental issues was cutting himself and had been making threats for 4 years before he had ax gun .
    It was the guns fault obviously it made him cut himself and drove him crazy and made him mentally unstable and threaten to shoot up a school 4 years before he was able to buy one . yep clearly the guns fault . lol and its the cars fault when people get in one and wreck also and the knofes fault when they stab some one also . just like when joe blamed fuel prices and inflation on putin about a year before he invaded the Ukraine.

    Yes liberal logic makes so much sense.
    It must be coal and oils fault we have pollution also and its the waters fault when young kids are left alone outside by the pool and drown also.
    Makes perfect sense.
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    Could he have inflicted this much damage, this quickly, with a knife?
     
    the annoying thing said:
    Gee do you think the fact he was cutting himself and threatening to shoot up a school for 4 years could of been a good reason to get him help and deny him gun rights ?
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    They claim he claims to have cut himself on the face. See any scars?

    How about the guns, see the guns?"

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    the annoying thing said:
    Lol so its the guns fault never mind the kid had a speech impediment was severely picked on and had mental issues was cutting himself and had been making threats for 4 years before he had ax gun .
    It was the guns fault obviously it made him cut himself and drove him crazy and made him mentally unstable and threaten to shoot up a school 4 years before he was able to buy one . yep clearly the guns fault . lol and its the cars fault when people get in one and wreck also and the knofes fault when they stab some one also . just like when joe blamed fuel prices and inflation on putin about a year before he invaded the Ukraine.

    Yes liberal logic makes so much sense.
    It must be coal and oils fault we have pollution also and its the waters fault when young kids are left alone outside by the pool and drown also.
    Makes perfect sense.
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    Another contributing factor that I’ve been seeing:

     
    MT15 said:
    Another contributing factor that I’ve been seeing:

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    "Misogyny is a gateway to online radicalization & white supremacy"

    I'll have to think about that but what came to me quickly is that the Texas shooter killed his grandmother. Not his grandfather. In fact, he waited for his grandfather to leave from what I understand.
     
    Increasingly evolving social norms has led to a definite sub-culture of dude-bros who subscribe to something akin to the 'great replacement' philosophy. It's the anti-woke crowd and there are a disturbing number of 15-25 year olds who embrace it mostly because they are just angry at the world.
     

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