Now is not the time to talk about gun control (1 Viewer)

Semper said:

Not sure how I didn’t know that after all of this time lol.

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I know.

There does have to be something about the AR-15, though, otherwise wouldn’t you see some variety here?

MT15 said:

There does have to be something about the AR-15, though, otherwise wouldn’t you see some variety here?

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Of course.

MT15 said:

There does have to be something about the AR-15, though, otherwise wouldn’t you see some variety here?

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30 round mags are standard. You can buy 60 rounders as well. Another thing that is legal is a product called a binary trigger. They run about $300 last I saw. This skirts the full auto law and the way it works is you pull the trigger and the gun goes off, when you let go of the trigger it goes off. They are currently perfectly legal.

Man, there’s so much we could be doing. It’s hard to argue that the US actually cares about gun safety.

The lengths they will go to, to avoid saying anything about the guns. They would rather put every American school child in a literal prison than give up a certain type of weapon. I don’t get it.

How many mass shooters have used a binary trigger on an AR15? smh

Semper said:

Banning calibers is difficult. I have a Ruger that is a bolt action rifle that shoots .223. I think the best approach is to go after magazines. There is zero need for a person to need a magazine on a rifle larger than 5 rounds. Start there and require a 2 step process to slow down changing mags. I am not an engineer so I have no clue how that is done but the limit is easy.

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Why don't you give us a definition that would work for what "we" typically understand to be an assault rifle? They types of guns used in these mass murders. Given you're an expert and have a better grasp of the technical specific, I would think that would be easier for you than for a laymen like myself.

coldseat said:

Why don't you give us a definition that would work for what "we" typically understand to be an assault rifle? They types of guns used in these mass murders. Given you're an expert and have a better grasp of the technical specific, I would think that would be easier for you than for a laymen like myself.

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Not an expert. I think you could start with characteristics. Pistol grip, front grip, adjustable stock and mag size would be a good start. Ban those characteristics would eliminate all the variations I can think of.

Pistol grip, front grip, adjustable stock and mag size:



caliber? .22

You people are being had.

BullSheetBuddha said:

Pistol grip, front grip, adjustable stock and mag size:

caliber? .22

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We are not discussing caliber at the moment. We are Sl discussing terms that we can use in a ban. That rifle comes in many calibers though. .223, 5.56, 308, 300 win, 9mm, 7.62….

I found this article interesting:

“The indisputable fact is that where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths.

This is true despite Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's attempt to explain away gun deaths at the elementary school in his state this week by comparing them to gun violence in Chicago.

"I hate to say this, but there are more people who were shot every weekend in Chicago than there are in schools in Texas," Abbott said on Wednesday, arguing stricter gun laws are not a solution.

There are indeed a horrific number of gun deaths in Chicago each year. CNN has covered the problem.

But there are more gun deaths in Texas, by far, than in any other state, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Texas suffered 4,164 gun deaths in 2020, the most recent year for which the CDC has published data.

That's a rate of 14.2 deaths per 100,000 Texans.

California, by comparison, saw 3,449 deaths, a gun death rate of 8.5.

Texas does not have the highest gun death rate, however. Far from it.

The top states by gun death rates are:

Mississippi -- 28.6.”

Louisiana -- 26.3.

Wyoming -- 25.9.

Missouri -- 23.9.

Alabama -- 23.6.

Alaska -- 23.5.”

MT15 said:

Okay - I get that your pride was hurt, and possibly Semper shouldn’t have doubted your experiences. But at the same time, Semper is actually good people, and you should both show some grace here. We are all on the same side here, really.

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Oh great, Look everyone it’s the voice of reason, JK,JK I agree,We should work together. But the first thing is to acknowledge the real problem in this gate starts at the top and that is with the senators that refuse to bring the HR bill to the floor for a vote. No one has ever said we shouldn’t own guns, on the contrary guns are useful for certain things i.e. hunting and protection,But you don’t need a bazooka to kill a butterfly.

BullSheetBuddha said:

And when I got wounded in Vietnam Ft. Devens hospital, Massachusettes, was full so they sent me to Chelsea Naval Hospital, Massachuettes. I was surrounded by Marines and corpsmen. Not one of them ever spoke to me as you did. I have no use for you what-so-ever.

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Relax Francis, these are very difficult and trying Times that we are all trying to live through take it with a grain of salt and move on I personally would accept the apology and try and be the bigger person.. I too am a veteran but I just never turned into a gun aficionado/enthusiast.Never had the need to own one or fire one and I hope I never will. And let’s all thank each other for our service shall we.

MT15 said:

I found this article interesting:

“The indisputable fact is that where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths.

This is true despite Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's attempt to explain away gun deaths at the elementary school in his state this week by comparing them to gun violence in Chicago.

"I hate to say this, but there are more people who were shot every weekend in Chicago than there are in schools in Texas," Abbott said on Wednesday, arguing stricter gun laws are not a solution.

There are indeed a horrific number of gun deaths in Chicago each year. CNN has covered the problem.

But there are more gun deaths in Texas, by far, than in any other state, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Texas suffered 4,164 gun deaths in 2020, the most recent year for which the CDC has published data.

That's a rate of 14.2 deaths per 100,000 Texans.

California, by comparison, saw 3,449 deaths, a gun death rate of 8.5.

Texas does not have the highest gun death rate, however. Far from it.

The top states by gun death rates are:

Mississippi -- 28.6.”

Louisiana -- 26.3.

Wyoming -- 25.9.

Missouri -- 23.9.

Alabama -- 23.6.

Alaska -- 23.5.”

Analysis: States with the most gun violence share one trait — CNN Politics

There's one thing that is indisputable in the available data on gun violence: Where there are more guns, there are more gun deaths. This is true despite Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's attempt to explain away gun deaths by comparing them to gun violence in Chicago.

apple.news

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Gee I wonder what all these states have in common? Does anyone see a pattern?

I am warming up to Beto. This is how you do it - this is what Republicans would say given the chance:

Here is an article that sounds very interesting.


Edited to add: I am totally open to changing my opinion on which laws work better. Per this article:

“Siegel’s latest study, published July 30, 2019, in the Journal of Rural Health, reinforces previous research findings that laws designed to regulate who has firearms are more effective in reducing shootings than laws designed to control what types of guns are permitted. The study looked at gun regulation state by state in comparison with FBI data about gun homicides, gathered from police departments around the country. Analysis revealed that universal background checks, permit requirements, “may issue” laws (where local authorities have discretion in approving who can carry a concealed weapon), and laws banning people convicted of violent misdemeanors from possessing firearms are, individually and collectively, significantly able to reduce gun-related deaths.

It’s a particularly compelling finding because in March 2019, Siegel and collaborators drew virtually the same conclusion by analyzing state laws in comparison with death certificate data collected nationally by the CDC.”