All things Racist...USA edition (2 Viewers)

Farb said:

Ok, give me a few examples of a black male being shot during a routine traffic stop

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The police shooting of Maurice Gordon, a black man killed during a traffic stop, explained

Footage has been released of the 28-year-old black man being fatally shot during a routine traffic stop in New Jersey.

www.vox.com

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The Myth of the Dangerous Traffic Stop Is Killing Black Men in America

To justify misconduct, courts and cops say routine traffic enforcement is hugely perilous for police. It’s just not true.

slate.com

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"On Sunday, a police officer shot and killed Daunte Wright, an unarmed Black man, after pulling him over for hanging an air freshener from his rearview mirror. Wright’s death is just the latest instance of police assaulting and killing drivers—specifically, Black men who pose no danger—following a routine traffic stop. Philando Castile, Walter Scott, and Sam DuBose were all shot and killed by police after a traffic stop; none of them posed any danger to the officers who took their lives."

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About a truck driver in a sundown town, which still exists in 2022 (I can't get it to embed, can a mod help?)

samiam5211 said:

Poverty

Why do you think we have crime ridden communities?

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I would agree. Poverty plays a part as well.
Would you consider the break down of the family unit (especially present fathers) to be part of the problem?

MT15 said:

We are seeing radicalization of the Christian Right similar to the radicalization of extreme Muslims in the Middle East. It’s terrifying. Religious extremists are the absolute worst. Their history is extremely bloody.

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What are some of the extreme stance of the Christian right, besides abortion since that is already being discussed?

SystemShock said:

Yes, yes it is.

Is it not true that a Republican will be most likely to dismiss racism as a motive for police shooting an unarmed black man?

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Is it?

Optimus Prime said:

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About a truck driver in a sundown town, which still exists in 2022 (I can't get it to embed, can a mod help?)

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I found that interesting and then found this article. Very interesting article. Everyone here knows how I feel about BLM but this was a good article.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...kkk-black-lives-matter-protests-a9571156.html

BullSheetBuddha said:

"On Sunday, a police officer shot and killed Daunte Wright, an unarmed Black man, after pulling him over for hanging an air freshener from his rearview mirror. Wright’s death is just the latest instance of police assaulting and killing drivers—specifically, Black men who pose no danger—following a routine traffic stop. Philando Castile, Walter Scott, and Sam DuBose were all shot and killed by police after a traffic stop; none of them posed any danger to the officers who took their lives."

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So you consider a traffic stop where the suspect has an open warrant and is being handcuffed and jumps back in the car to escape a 'routine' traffic stop?

Do you also consider Jacob Blake a routine traffic stop as well?

Farb said:

I would agree. Poverty plays a part as well.
Would you consider the break down of the family unit (especially present fathers) to be part of the problem?

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Why do you think black fathers leave their families more than white fathers?

Farb said:

So you consider a traffic stop where the suspect has an open warrant and is being handcuffed and jumps back in the car to escape a 'routine' traffic stop?

Do you also consider Jacob Blake a routine traffic stop as well?

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They were routine traffic stops. How the driver reacts after the routine stop is a different thing and one that the police, in the cases I pointed to, should have been able to handle without killing the guy. OBVIOUSLY.

Why the flip do you support unnecessary killings of fellow citizens by those we pay to serve and protect us? Very strange.

BullSheetBuddha said:

They were routine traffic stops. How the driver reacts after the routine stop is a different thing and one that the police, in the cases I pointed to, should be able to handle without killing the guy. OBVIOUSLY.

Why the flip do you support unnecessary killings of fellow citizens by those we pay to serve and protect us? Very strange.

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So, you admit it was a 'routine' traffic stop until the person stopped reacts in an not so routine way?

If Wright followed the cops orders and was handcuffed, do you think he would be alive today or would the cop still have shot him, by accident?

If you show me a cop killing a citizen for no reason then I assure you, I will be on your side. I am about non-guberment as you will find. I distrust everyone in a position of power. I am just pushing back against the new progressive idea that one is not responsible for the decisions they make.

Farb said:

So, you admit it was a 'routine' traffic stop until the person stopped reacts in an not so routine way?

If Wright followed the cops orders and was handcuffed, do you think he would be alive today or would the cop still have shot him, by accident?

If you show me a cop killing a citizen for no reason then I assure you, I will be on your side. I am about non-guberment as you will find. I distrust everyone in a position of power. I am just pushing back against the new progressive idea that one is not responsible for the decisions they make.

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If a cop can't handle a simple situation like a driver taking off after a routine stop without killing him he shouldn't be a cop.

Edit: removed video, probably not cogent

Farb said:

I am just pushing back against the new progressive idea that one is not responsible for the decisions they make.

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Who's saying they shouldn't be responsible for running after being stopped if that's what happened? Charge 'em, throw 'em in jail after you get them. But kill them on the spot? Come on man!

Talk about a sundown town.

Farb said:

So, you admit it was a 'routine' traffic stop until the person stopped reacts in an not so routine way?

If Wright followed the cops orders and was handcuffed, do you think he would be alive today or would the cop still have shot him, by accident?

If you show me a cop killing a citizen for no reason then I assure you, I will be on your side. I am about non-guberment as you will find. I distrust everyone in a position of power. I am just pushing back against the new progressive idea that one is not responsible for the decisions they make.

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He was following orders. He stepped out of the car and puts his hands behind his back. Why would he suddenly stop complying?

el caliente said:

Is it?

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Yes.

Farb said:

What are some of the extreme stance of the Christian right, besides abortion since that is already being discussed?

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QAnon, banning of condoms an IUDs, teaching of creationism in schools, denying evolution, trying to codify medical procedures that don't exist, denying Constitutional rights to LGBTQ+ community, Aryan Nations... off the top of my head.

Farb said:

What are some of the extreme stance of the Christian right, besides abortion since that is already being discussed?

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Mainly this right here:

“Christian nationalism, like other forms of religious nationalism around the world and throughout history, delivers a set of persecution narratives that represent the “good” religious people as under threat and as victims of an evil “other”. This is from a book by Katherine Stewart: The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism.

It draws on more than a decade of first-hand experience and front-line reporting that began when her daughter’s public elementary school was targeted to house a fundamentalist Bible club.

They are banning books in school, they are regulating speech in the classroom. They are firing teachers for speech they don’t agree with, recently for merely being gay. They are flirting with legislating their religion, including banning certain forms of birth control, regular medical care for women who have miscarried, and repealing same sex marriage. They will try to criminalize abortion. They already talk about people who don’t agree with them as if they are Satanic, and nobody bats an eye. Preachers, who are not supposed to talk politics from the pulpit are violating that all over the place. They are telling their congregations how to vote.

The groypers, though, which is what the article was about, want an ethnically white Christian nation, where women have had most of their rights taken away, as have POC, and immigrants are banned. They have worked their way into the mainstream in some places.

Stewart again: on the similarity of Christian nationalism today to pro-slavery theologians in the past.

“Pro-slavery theologians, like Christian nationalist thought leaders today, were intensely hostile to the principle of equality, plurality and critical thinking. They endorsed an austere biblical literalism and rigid hierarchies, which they asserted were ordained by God.

The idea the US is a Christian nation, chosen by God; that it should be an orthodox Christian republic; that women should be subordinate to men; that at some point America deviated horribly from its mission and fell under the control of atheist and/or liberal elites – these ideas are still at the heart of Christian nationalism today.”

Very interesting read and perspective
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I frequently hear white people claim we do not have a race problem in this country, and to prove their point, they say they like Black people and even have a few Black friends. Even though they are aware of the existence of some openly racist organizations, they personally never have knowingly discriminated against a Black person. They are quick to add that if Black people simply took control of their lives and made good choices, they would get ahead and enjoy the same privileges as white people. It is available to them. It is easy to point out enough successful Black people to prove their case.

But they are mistaken.

I’m a 71-year-old white man, raised in the very white suburbs, educated with several degrees, and I think I better understand racism than most white people. I have spent time with Black people. My first real job was at a radio station in Denver that played what we called then “soul music.” Today, it would probably be akin to a hip-hop music station, only more black. I was one of only two white employees at the station. Currently, I’m a book publisher, and a high percentage of books I have published have been written by Black authors. I have ghostwritten several books for Black leaders.

But my experiences in the workplace are not the reason I understand racism. I understand racism because I have experienced something very similar all my life.

I will offer some background for those who don’t know me personally. I was born as a healthy baby to a father who was a college student right at the end of the war, and the world was about to explode with opportunities. However, a year later, I came down with polio, and my world changed. Without going into all the details, what you need to know is that I had to use a wheelchair until I was 11. I walked on crutches and used a wheelchair occasionally until my mid-50s, and then returned to using the wheelchair full time.

Being physically handicapped is not something I chose. If given the opportunity today, I would choose health and mobility despite the many good things being handicapped has taught me. I’m not complaining, nor do I think I have been cheated by life. The only point I want to make is that my physical handicap has provided insight into the way some people have experienced racial prejudice.

I know what it is like to be considered inferior​

Many people in my life have gone the extra mile to include me in the normal activities of life. When I played trumpet in the high school band, I was expected to be at all the marching band practices and learn the songs. When the band was in a parade, our band leader, Mr. Priezner, pushed me down the street in my wheelchair. When we took field trips at school, students simply lifted me out of the wheelchair and carried me wherever they went. My wheelchair has gone places that would make my mother cringe if she knew.

I never have complained about being left out, but the fact that I needed special attention and consideration always made me feel inferior. I know my parents and teachers always had to make provisions for Terry when making plans. Even though they did so without complaint, the fact that they had to was not a good feeling.

When the neighborhood kids divided up for a baseball game, I knew I would not be chosen. When our high school baseball coach asked me to be the official scorer for the baseball team, it was because he knew I loved baseball but couldn’t play.

Listen carefully: I’m not complaining that I was mistreated because I wasn’t. All I am saying is that I know what it feels like to be considered different and consequently inferior to the “normal” folks. All you have to do is look at me sitting in a wheelchair, and you immediately make judgments about me. I suspect the same is true for Blacks. It is easy for them to believe that all that needs to be done is notice their color, and we already make judgments about them.

I know what it is like to work harder to accomplish the same as others​

Years ago, I got a new pair of leg braces that were supposed to make my walking on crutches easier. They were fitted, and I struggled to the car and drove home. For weeks I tried walking with the new braces, and it just seemed harder and harder. I finally returned to the physical therapist to get help. He watched me struggle to walk, and then he told me something that has stuck with me ever since.

The therapist said when most people stand up and walk across the room, it requires 10% of their physical strength. When I did the same thing, it required 90% of my strength. As I said earlier, I no longer walk using braces and crutches. However, the most physically taxing thing I do every day is get out of bed and get dressed. Some days it seems to require 100% of my strength.

I have discovered my disadvantage carries over into areas of life that are not dependent upon physical strength. One time I was being considered for a job, and I was by far the most qualified and capable person for that particular job. If not for my physical handicap, it would have been a no-brainer to give me the job. However, before I received the offer, they actually called my father to ask if he thought I could handle the task. It was incredible. I was not a teenager moving away from my parents’ house for the first time. I was in my 40s, provider for my wife and three sons, and had been working for the same organization for years. Yet they overlooked all that because of my physical handicap.

I learned early in life that I had to work harder to accomplish the same as others. In the job world, I had to be better, produce more and know more just to be equal — all because I started with a disadvantage.

This is what Black people experience every day. Not all of us are internally driven to succeed. That is why you find many Blacks still in the slums and many handicapped people living on disability income. Many people are not capable of outworking and outthinking everyone else, so they get shoved aside. I understand how they feel...........