All things Racist...USA edition (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[zztop]

I guess this is just coincidence

Judge finds Florida's Republican-backed congressional map illegally harms Black voters

A Florida judge on Wednesday said the state's new congressional map, championed by Republican Governor Ron DeSantis, unconstitutionally dilutes Black citizens' voting power.

www.reuters.com

 

[Saintamaniac]

Whites also commit about 55% of the violent crime and black commit about 33%. Would you agree to that stat?

The fact that you assume I assume something when indeed it is fact, shows your bias.
Will you acknowledge you bias? I also notice you left out my exact words of 'violent crime'.

I don't like to use literally very much because people act like they don't know what "literally" means but in this instance, you are literally lying to yourself.

 

[brandon]

I guess this is just coincidence

Judge finds Florida's Republican-backed congressional map illegally harms Black voters

A Florida judge on Wednesday said the state's new congressional map, championed by Republican Governor Ron DeSantis, unconstitutionally dilutes Black citizens' voting power.

www.reuters.com

@Farb asked to show him a law that exists today that’s racist. Here’s one.

Yes, it was struck down, but it was created recently with the specific intent of diluting the black vote.

 

[SystemShock]

I agree.
White is about 60% of the population and black about 13%.
Whites also commit about 55% of the violent crime and black commit about 33%. Would you agree to that stat?

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf (page 5).

To be clear, I don't see those particular numbers on any of the tables, and the breakdowns on the tables are a bit more detailed, but I don't have good reason to not believe DOJ reports, so I agree with the numbers on the tables.

 

[samiam5211]

I agree.
White is about 60% of the population and black about 13%.
Whites also commit about 55% of the violent crime and black commit about 33%. Would you agree to that stat?

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf (page 5).

Yea, it is a shame that we don't seem to care that black children to grow up in crime ridden communities.

 

[brandon]

I agree.
White is about 60% of the population and black about 13%.
Whites also commit about 55% of the violent crime and black commit about 33%. Would you agree to that stat?

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf (page 5).

Why do you think black people commit crimes at a rate disproportionate to their population percentage?

As a liberal, I can give you all sorts of reasons I think it happens (poverty, systematic and instituionalized racism, the war on drugs, etc).

What's your theory?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Why do you think black people commit crimes at a rate disproportionate to their population percentage?

As a liberal, I can give you all sorts of reasons I think it happens (poverty, systematic and instituionalized racism, the war on drugs, etc).

What's your theory?

Do you really want his answer to that question?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Hell hath no fury like a nerd's fan fiction rewritten.

When it comes to nerd-dom, I don't think that racism plays that big a part in fans of the books or comics crying over the accuracy in the portrayal the characters. In many cases, they have known those characters to be a certain way since they were kids. And it goes beyond the color of the character's skin. Even when the character is white, and the actor chosen is white, there are arguments about how this actor could not be this character because he doesn't look this way or move that way, etc.

The last kerfuffle about characters I remember revolved around The Witcher on Netflix. First over 2 characters that are described as white in the books (Yennefer, Fringilla), portrayed as white in the very popular video games, but are played by actresses of obvious Indian and African origins. But there were also cries over the white actor chosen to play Geralt (the witcher) because he didn't look rugged enough (James Cavill), and even over the actress who played Ciri, who is a very pale blued eyed blond, because she "isn't as pretty as Ciri from the video games" and her hair isn't platinum.

I had a discussion over at the EE about a character in the Marvel universe being brought to the sliver screen. The character is El Muerto, a very minor character (appeared in 1 or 2 issues of Spiderman, I think) which will be played by Bad Bunny, an obvious play for the young Spanish speaking audience. Comic book fans did not like the choice of character, arguing that if the producers wanted a Hispanic character, they should've used Tarantula, because it is the better known and fleshed out character.

That are just but a few examples of the petulancy of comic/fantasy book nerds. So racism may be involved at some point, but I don't think it is a major part of it.

True. I vaguely remember the backlash when Michael Keaton was going to be Batman and definitely remember when Brokeback Mountain Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker

But there is a special level of hatred when it's a black actor.
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What's happening to newly cast "Percy Jackson" star Leah Jeffries is not new.

Zendaya went through it six years ago when Marvel chose her to play MJ in Tom Holland's "Spider-Man" movies. Racist fanboys lost their minds.

A small, loud band of similarly minded ignoramuses went into conniptions at the announcement that Halle Bailey had been cast as Ariel in the live-action movie version of "The Little Mermaid." The same year, 2019, brought news that Lashana Lynch would become the first Black female 007 in James Bond franchise's history.

Assuming there's a fandom crossover between Disney fairy tales and that spy game, that meant lots of narrow-minded folks stayed mad.

It happened to Celina Smith when she played the title role in NBC's "Annie Live!" the second Black girl to do so after Quvenzhané Wallis played the famous orphan in 2014. It also happened to Wallis, who by the time she played Annie was the already the youngest performer ever to be nominated for a Best Actress Academy Award.

Dealing with racist harassment comes is part of life for people who are Black, female and successful, especially those who dare to assert themselves roles presumed to be reserved for white people.

Indeed, what is happening to Jeffries resembles the way white supremacists went after Amandla Stenberg in 2012 for playing Rue in "The Hunger Games" – and Rue has always been a Black character.

So in winning the highly sought-after part of Annabeth Chase in the upcoming Disney+ adaptation of "Percy Jackson and the Olympians," Jeffries has joined a sisterhood...........

Racist attacks on a Black girl earning a supposedly "white" role aren't about canon but excellence

 

[Optimus Prime]

Crazy stuff
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Last Sunday, as pro-choice supporters reacted to the leaked Supreme Court draft opinion that will likely overturn Roe v. Wade, a series of videos shot in lower Manhattan went viral. In one, a group of young men stood before an arched wooden doorway at the Basilica of St. Patrick's Old Cathedral, reciting the Rosary while protesters demonstrated outside the church gates. In their center was a young man wearing an America First hat and an FDNY fleece, closing his eyes as he prayed. By that afternoon, the video had been shared on social media by far-right Republican Reps. Paul Gosar and Marjorie Taylor Greene, who praised the men as "heroes" "defending their churches against the abortionist horde."

In two other videos taken the same day at the same location, the man in the America First hat heckled protesters, shouting from the church steps, "I am the people. The people have decided, the court has decided. You lose. You have no choice. Not your body, your choice. Your body is mine and you're having my baby."

The man was not, as the New York City Fire Department quickly pointed out, a firefighter. Nor was he merely a devout Catholic. Rather, he was a right-wing activist affiliated with white nationalist wunderkind Nick Fuentes' gleefully racist and antisemitic America First/"groyper" movement, which at its third annual America First Political Action Conference (AFPAC) this February drew widespread condemnation for its glorification of Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, Fuentes' praise of Hitler and the call by one speaker, a state senator from Arizona, to build "gallows" to hang political enemies.............

All of this is part of a broader pattern of increasing overlap between the far right, including overtly white nationalist movements and leaders, with the extreme right-wing fringe of the Roman Catholic Church. This emerging coalition includes such figures as Milo Yiannopoulos, who was effectively expelled from the MAGA movement in 2017 over his remarks about child sex abuse; Canadian white nationalist Faith Goldy, similarly disgraced after appearing on a podcast of the neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer; onetime "Stop the Steal" organizer Ali Alexander; and "Kent State gun girl" Kaitlin Bennett.

All four have rebranded themselves as "traditional" Catholics (or "trad-Caths," in internet parlance) and allied themselves with an existing network of far-right Catholics that includes Pizzagate provocateur-turned conservative commentator Jack Posobiec, Trump confidant and adviser Steve Bannon and groyper-guru Nick Fuentes himself.

In post-Trump America, white nationalists and Christian nationalists are putting their differences aside in a push to roll back abortion rights and enshrine white Christian dominance.

Resistance, the activist wing of Church Militant, is now mobilizing supporters to counter-protest Planned Parenthood marches scheduled for this Saturday in Chicago, Nashville, Washington, San Antonio, Los Angeles and other cities. On Monday on the alternative social media site Telegram, Clodfelter seemed to call on groypers to attend these rallies, using language identical to a Resistance post describing the mobilization. By Wednesday evening, more than five-dozen groypers on the site had eagerly signed on.

From its beginnings, the groyper movement sought to straddle the gap between the white and Christian nationalist movements. In the later years of the Trump presidency, as the largely pagan or atheist alt-right fell into disarray, Fuentes sought to distinguish the mostly Gen-Z groyper movement from its disgraced predecessor by garnishing its core white nationalist principles with the flag and the cross.

"[The alt-right] was a racialist, atheist, post-American, revolutionary and transnational movement," Fuentes explained to followers in November 2019, attempting to chart a new direction for white nationalism in the U.S. "America First is a traditionalist, Christian, conservative, reformist, American nationalist Movement." While other white nationalists had given up hope of transforming the conservative establishment, the groypers, Fuentes argued, would redouble their efforts to influence the mainstream Right.

This project continues today. "We have to push the envelope," Fuentes told followers in May 2021. "We are the right-wing flank of the Republican Party…we have got to be on the Right, dragging these people kicking and screaming into the future, into the right wing, into a truly reactionary party."..............

MSN

 

[Optimus Prime]

Report out on Native American boarding schools
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In initial investigation commissioned by Interior Secretary Deb Haaland cataloged some of the brutal conditions that Native American children endured at more than 400 boarding schools that the federal government forced them to attend between 1819 and 1969. The inquiry was an initial step, Ms. Haaland said, toward addressing the “intergenerational trauma” that the policy left behind.

An Interior Department report released on Wednesday highlighted the abuse of many of the children at the government-run schools, with instances of beatings, withholding of food and solitary confinement. It also identified burial sites at more than 50 of the former schools, and said that “approximately 19 federal Indian boarding schools accounted for over 500 American Indian, Alaska Native and Native Hawaiian child deaths.” The number of recorded deaths is expected to grow, the report said.

The report is the first step in a comprehensive review that Ms. Haaland, the first Native American cabinet secretary, announced in June after the discovery of hundreds of unmarked graves of children who attended similar schools in Canada provoked a national reckoning there.

Beginning in 1869 and until the 1960s, hundreds of thousands of Native American children were taken from their homes and families and placed in the boarding schools, which were operated by the government and churches.

There were 20,000 children at the schools by 1900; by 1925, the number had more than tripled, according to the National Native American Boarding School Healing Coalition.

The discovery of the unmarked graves in Canada last year — 215 in British Columbia, 750 more in Saskatchewan — led Ms. Haaland to announce that her agency would search the grounds of former schools in the United States and identify any remains. Ms. Haaland’s grandparents attended such schools.

“The consequences of federal Indian boarding school policies — including the intergenerational trauma caused by the family separation and cultural eradication inflicted upon generations of children as young as 4 years old — are heartbreaking and undeniable,” Ms. Haaland said during a news conference. “It is my priority to not only give voice to the survivors and descendants of federal Indian boarding school policies, but also to address the lasting legacies of these policies so Indigenous peoples can continue to grow and heal.”

The 106-page report, put together by Bryan Newland, the agency’s assistant secretary for Indian affairs, concludes that further investigation is needed to better understand the lasting effects of the boarding school system on American Indians, Alaska Natives and Native Hawaiians. Assimilation was only one of the system’s goals, the report said; the other was “territorial dispossession of Indigenous peoples through the forced removal and relocation of their children.”

Mr. Newland said there is not a single American Indian, Alaskan Native or Native Hawaiian in the country whose life has not been affected by the schools.............

Report Catalogs Abuse of Native American Children at Former Government Schools

 

[Farb]

I guess this is just coincidence

Judge finds Florida's Republican-backed congressional map illegally harms Black voters

A Florida judge on Wednesday said the state's new congressional map, championed by Republican Governor Ron DeSantis, unconstitutionally dilutes Black citizens' voting power.

www.reuters.com

Coincidence, no. Something that is routine for states and delegates do, yes. Do I personally like it, no but there are very few things that politicians do that I like.

 

[Farb]

I don't like to use literally very much because people act like they don't know what "literally" means but in this instance, you are literally lying to yourself.

If I am stating incorrect facts, should be pretty easy to explain how and why these 'facts' are incorrect. Please continue.

 

[Farb]

Yea, it is a shame that we don't seem to care that black children to grow up in crime ridden communities.

Now, I think you are getting closer to the problem, although, you could leave out the race altogether.
Maybe a better phrasing would be 'it is a shame we don't seem to care about the children that grow up in crime ridden communities'.

Why do we have crime ridden communities, in your opinion?

 

[Farb]

Funny, I can think of several black males that were killed during a routine traffic stop but not one white male.

Stop lying to yourself.

Ok, give me a few examples of a black male being shot during a routine traffic stop

 

[Farb]

To be clear, I don't see those particular numbers on any of the tables, and the breakdowns on the tables are a bit more detailed, but I don't have good reason to not believe DOJ reports, so I agree with the numbers on the tables.

I made sure to use the word 'about' in all fairness.

 

[brandon]

Do you really want his answer to that question?

I always like to give @Farb the opportunity to say the quiet part out loud, and make sure everyone sees that he ignores the question.

 

[samiam5211]

Now, I think you are getting closer to the problem, although, you could leave out the race altogether.
Maybe a better phrasing would be 'it is a shame we don't seem to care about the children that grow up in crime ridden communities'.

Why do we have crime ridden communities, in your opinion?

Poverty

Why do you think we have crime ridden communities?

 

[MT15]

Crazy stuff
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Last Sunday, as pro-choice supporters reacted to the leaked Supreme Court draft opinion that will likely overturn Roe v. Wade, a series of videos shot in lower Manhattan went viral. In one, a group of young men stood before an arched wooden doorway at the Basilica of St. Patrick's Old Cathedral, reciting the Rosary while protesters demonstrated outside the church gates. In their center was a young man wearing an America First hat and an FDNY fleece, closing his eyes as he prayed. By that afternoon, the video had been shared on social media by far-right Republican Reps. Paul Gosar and Marjorie Taylor Greene, who praised the men as "heroes" "defending their churches against the abortionist horde."

In two other videos taken the same day at the same location, the man in the America First hat heckled protesters, shouting from the church steps, "I am the people. The people have decided, the court has decided. You lose. You have no choice. Not your body, your choice. Your body is mine and you're having my baby."

The man was not, as the New York City Fire Department quickly pointed out, a firefighter. Nor was he merely a devout Catholic. Rather, he was a right-wing activist affiliated with white nationalist wunderkind Nick Fuentes' gleefully racist and antisemitic America First/"groyper" movement, which at its third annual America First Political Action Conference (AFPAC) this February drew widespread condemnation for its glorification of Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine, Fuentes' praise of Hitler and the call by one speaker, a state senator from Arizona, to build "gallows" to hang political enemies.............

All of this is part of a broader pattern of increasing overlap between the far right, including overtly white nationalist movements and leaders, with the extreme right-wing fringe of the Roman Catholic Church. This emerging coalition includes such figures as Milo Yiannopoulos, who was effectively expelled from the MAGA movement in 2017 over his remarks about child sex abuse; Canadian white nationalist Faith Goldy, similarly disgraced after appearing on a podcast of the neo-Nazi website Daily Stormer; onetime "Stop the Steal" organizer Ali Alexander; and "Kent State gun girl" Kaitlin Bennett.

All four have rebranded themselves as "traditional" Catholics (or "trad-Caths," in internet parlance) and allied themselves with an existing network of far-right Catholics that includes Pizzagate provocateur-turned conservative commentator Jack Posobiec, Trump confidant and adviser Steve Bannon and groyper-guru Nick Fuentes himself.

In post-Trump America, white nationalists and Christian nationalists are putting their differences aside in a push to roll back abortion rights and enshrine white Christian dominance.

Resistance, the activist wing of Church Militant, is now mobilizing supporters to counter-protest Planned Parenthood marches scheduled for this Saturday in Chicago, Nashville, Washington, San Antonio, Los Angeles and other cities. On Monday on the alternative social media site Telegram, Clodfelter seemed to call on groypers to attend these rallies, using language identical to a Resistance post describing the mobilization. By Wednesday evening, more than five-dozen groypers on the site had eagerly signed on.

From its beginnings, the groyper movement sought to straddle the gap between the white and Christian nationalist movements. In the later years of the Trump presidency, as the largely pagan or atheist alt-right fell into disarray, Fuentes sought to distinguish the mostly Gen-Z groyper movement from its disgraced predecessor by garnishing its core white nationalist principles with the flag and the cross.

"[The alt-right] was a racialist, atheist, post-American, revolutionary and transnational movement," Fuentes explained to followers in November 2019, attempting to chart a new direction for white nationalism in the U.S. "America First is a traditionalist, Christian, conservative, reformist, American nationalist Movement." While other white nationalists had given up hope of transforming the conservative establishment, the groypers, Fuentes argued, would redouble their efforts to influence the mainstream Right.

This project continues today. "We have to push the envelope," Fuentes told followers in May 2021. "We are the right-wing flank of the Republican Party…we have got to be on the Right, dragging these people kicking and screaming into the future, into the right wing, into a truly reactionary party."..............

MSN

We are seeing radicalization of the Christian Right similar to the radicalization of extreme Muslims in the Middle East. It’s terrifying. Religious extremists are the absolute worst. Their history is extremely bloody.