Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (39 Viewers)

Something I read months ago

More or less said

“I always wondered what the response would have been if September 11th was pulled off by a bunch of Timothy McVeighs
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NEW YORK (AP) — Oh, how things have changed.

Just a year ago, many Republicans joined Democrats in reacting with horror to the Capitol insurrection, denouncing both the violence perpetrated by the rioters and the role played by former President Donald Trump in stoking the outrage that fueled their actions with lies about a “stolen” election.

But on the anniversary of the attack, top Republicans were far more muted. Some acknowledged the terror of the day but quickly pivoted to bashing Democrats. Many avoided observances planned at the Capitol. And still others didn’t say anything at all.

It’s all part of the political calculus in a party in which the former president remains very much in charge……..

tigerfan said:

No. It’s just that no one felt this was a true insurrection where “democracy was in danger” except the far left. And I’m not saying you’re untrue in your feelings. Most of us believe you that you were concerned. We just think it’s funny that you think some hooligans, who didn’t even have guns, were even remotely close to overthrowing the government.

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You should go back and watch the speeches by people like Lindsey Graham on Jan 6, 2021 right after the insurrection.

No, the hooligans (which is funny you use that word when thugs will do very nicely) weren’t close. But Trump and his flunkies got close. Too close.

tigerfan said:

No. It’s just that no one felt this was a true insurrection where “democracy was in danger” except the far left. And I’m not saying you’re untrue in your feelings. Most of us believe you that you were concerned. We just think it’s funny that you think some hooligans, who didn’t even have guns, were even remotely close to overthrowing the government.

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They were a lot closer to succeeding than all those on the right, who are trying to gaslight Jan. 6, will ever admit. Not necessarily the insurrections that stormed the capitol on the 6th, that was always going to fail, but the internal coup attempt was just a few Trump loyalist away from succeeding. All you need to know that is to follow what's coming out of the Jan 6th commission, but I'm guessing that's not in your information bubble.

The rational right and far right, with the exception of a few like Cheney and Kinzinger, will never admit that they support a seditionist party that supported the last coup attempt and is trying to find as many ways as possible to succeed the next time they don't win an election.

tigerfan said:

No. It’s just that no one felt this was a true insurrection where “democracy was in danger” except the far left. And I’m not saying you’re untrue in your feelings. Most of us believe you that you were concerned. We just think it’s funny that you think some hooligans, who didn’t even have guns, were even remotely close to overthrowing the government.

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so, it hasn’t resonated with you that the plan is being revealed? The Eastman memos, the pressure applied to Pence and state officials? The crazy urging of Flynn to declare a state of emergency and seize the votes? Rudy stating that they would need 10 days to ”recount” the entire election, throwing out votes until Trump won? Followed by Cruz making the proposal in the joint session that there be a 10 day pause? Navarro revealing that they gave it a name “Green Bay Sweep”?

These people, and I’ve left out a lot, planned to steal an election. They have all betrayed their country in service of a man with a severe personality disorder who cannot accept the fact that he lost an election.

Constitutional scholars have been thinking about what would have happened if Pence had decided to go all in on the plan. They are saying it’s not clear who could have stopped him from doing it, although it is very clear he doesn’t have the authority to do it. It would have been a full blown constitutional crisis with no clear way out. We would have installed the loser of a free and fair election as the victor.

How is that not losing our democracy?

nolaspe said:

Womp womp, lol...

Maricopa County celebrates Cyber Ninjas audit admitting that Joe Biden did, in fact, win

Maricopa County celebrated on Thursday evening after claiming vindication in the controversial audit of the 2020 election in Arizona's largest county."A monthslong hand recount of Maricopa County's 2020 vote confirmed that President Joe Biden won and the election was not "stolen" from former...

www.rawstory.com

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quoting this because


Maricopa County Superior Court Judge John Hannah said he would impose a $50,000 fine against Cyber Ninjas every day until it hands over documents related to the so-called audit after the Arizona Republic newspaper filed a public records request, The Associated Press reported Thursday.

Jack Wilenchik, a lawyer for Cyber Ninjas, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

County election officials released a report Wednesday rebutting almost every claim in the ballot review. It concluded that nearly 80 claims made by Cyber Ninjas were misleading or false.

MT15 said:

No, the hooligans (which is funny you use that word when thugs will do very nicely) weren’t close. But Trump and his flunkies got close. Too close.

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Lol ok “thug.” As if “hooligan” was not enough. Go ahead. They were thugs, I don’t care. But this is a microcosm of why we laugh at your outrage

Trump himself pressured the R SOS in Georgia to “find” the exact number of votes needed to swing GA from Biden to Trump. Graham also called GA SOS and urged him to “throw out” ALL mail-in votes in precincts where a certain percentage of signatures didn’t match. We all know that “signature matching” has been used to throw out a disproportionate number of votes from minorities, presumably Biden votes. But what Graham was proposing was to throw out even valid signature votes from any precinct where there was a certain percentage of mis-matched signatures. Knowing these would be minority precincts. It’s just naked election fraud.

Graham called three swing states to put pressure on them in the days following the election.

How these efforts to outright change the outcome of the election haven’t yet been prosecuted is beyond me.

tigerfan said:

Lol ok “thug.” As if “hooligan” was not enough. Go ahead. They were thugs, I don’t care. But this is a microcosm of why we laugh at your outrage

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There is no outrage at the use of hooligans, I was laughing at you actually. Care to address the actual points in my posts?

tigerfan said:

No. It’s just that no one felt this was a true insurrection where “democracy was in danger” except the far left. And I’m not saying you’re untrue in your feelings. Most of us believe you that you were concerned. We just think it’s funny that you think some hooligans, who didn’t even have guns, were even remotely close to overthrowing the government.

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They had something much worse than guns. They had bundles and bales of scammed money

Interesting article on one of the business owners who were there
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Gina Bisignano literally stood out from the crowd on January 6, 2021, when thousands of rioters stormed the Capitol in Washington, D.C. She spoke over a megaphone about the salon she owns in Beverly Hills. It was a moment that made her an international figure, and a curiosity. While many of the rioters wore military-like gear, Bisignano was outfitted in leather gloves, a Louis Vuitton sweater, and Chanel boots while exhorting the rioters for support.

"Everybody, we need gas masks, we need weapons, we need strong angry patriots to help our boys. They don't want us to leave. We need protection," she said that day. Bisignano's two-person business regularly generated revenue approaching half a million dollars a year.

University of Chicago professor of political science Robert Pape has spent the past year gathering information about the insurrectionists and their co-ideologues. According to Pape, 26 percent of the rioters charged were business owners; an additional 28 percent were white-collar workers.

"There are relatively more business owners in the insurrectionist pool than in America," Pape notes. The composition of those charged with a crime -- with 716 individuals studied by Pape thus far -- undermines what "we're used to thinking about far-right violence and extremism." This was a heavily white-collar riot -- a businessperson's riot -- which is in some ways unsurprising because the protest that set it off was fomented, as President Joe Biden just reminded us, by the businessman/president who lost his bid for reelection.

Where right-wing extremists generally are young, less likely to be employed, and very often members of a gang or a militia group, that doesn't describe the only demographic that rioted at the Capitol. As Pape's studies have shown, the fact that the crowd had so many business owners is an important part of revealing the general insurrectionist movement to be quite a lot larger than had been assumed.

His surveys found that the equivalent of around 21 million Americans agree with the disproved conspiracy theory that Joe Biden stole the election in 2020, while also believing that violence to restore Donald Trump to office is justified.........

Bolo said:

1/6 wasn't the worst thing to happen last year. FEMA's response to IDA was 100x worse, ESPECIALLY AFTER GOING THRU THIS 16 YEARS PRIOR.

There are people STILL without Fema trailers in deep winter.

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Wow that is a take that I certainty would not have. Having lived thru Katrina and having over 8 ft inside my home the loss of our democracy for all Americans is worse than few people in a natural disaster.



Figured out then that were you fall in the tree has a bunch to do with the amount of govt help you get. The bottom and top get help and the middle that pay all the bills tax wise in this country are on their own. You don't need wind and rain to figure it out.

The moose said:

Wow that is a take that I certainty would not have. Having lived thru Katrina and having over 8 ft inside my home the loss of our democracy for all Americans is worse than few people in a natural disaster.



Figured out then that were you fall in the tree has a bunch to do with the amount of govt help you get. The bottom and top get help and the middle that pay all the bills tax wise in this country are on their own. You don't need wind and rain to figure it out.

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Which, y'know shouldn't be that way. But quislings gonna quisling.

I am just going to leave this here.

This is Reuter’s so you know it is unbiased, factual and accurate.

If your vision of history doesn’t line up with theirs, it is you who needs to rethink their position as yours is not aligned with actual history.

tigerfan said:

The hardcore left care deeply about this. No one else does. Yup, there were some forkers who needed to be prosecuted. But man, y’all really want this to be a thing. And how about the loons comparing this to Pearl Harbor and September 11?

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tigerfan said:

No. It’s just that no one felt this was a true insurrection where “democracy was in danger” except the far left. And I’m not saying you’re untrue in your feelings. Most of us believe you that you were concerned. We just think it’s funny that you think some hooligans, who didn’t even have guns, were even remotely close to overthrowing the government.

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You fail to understand that the purpose was to overturn an election. What, exactly, would you call that? It was terrorism which is defined as politically motivated violence. The right under the sway of Trump has sought to specifically undermine democratic institutions. From the concept of a free press which is in the first amendment and which Jefferson thought was critical to a free people to casting doubt on the primary foundation of democracy, voting.

tigerfan said:

The hardcore left care deeply about this. No one else does. Yup, there were some forkers who needed to be prosecuted. But man, y’all really want this to be a thing. And how about the loons comparing this to Pearl Harbor and September 11?

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Hardcore left here. I already told you I was at work and wished you a happy holiday. What more do you want?

I swear it's more and more each year.

I'm surprised, but also not surprised


Researchers at the Brookings Institution reviewed transcripts of nearly 1,500 episodes from 20 of the most popular political podcasts. Among episodes released between the election and the Jan. 6 riot, about half contained election misinformation, according to the analysis.

In some weeks, 60% of episodes mentioned the election fraud conspiracy theories tracked by Brookings. Those included false claims that software glitches interfered with the count, that fake ballots were used, and that voting machines run by Dominion Voting Systems were rigged to help Democrats. Those kinds of theories gained currency in Republican circles and would later be leveraged to justify additional election audits across the country.