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    Yggdrasill

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    I am in the camp that Trump must -not should- be impeached. If not this President, for this behavior, then what bar would have to be cleared to merit impeachment?

    Impeachment not only sends a signal to the country and the world that fomenting a coup is unacceptable and will be punished, but it also removes much of the threat Trump could pose going forward as, I understand it, he would lose his pension, his access to daily security briefings, free medical care and other amenities and benefits afforded to former Presidents. If impeached, he would not meet the definition of a Former President under the Former Presidents Act. I don't think it is clear whether he would continue to receive Secret Service protection.
     
    This from the White House:


    The White House pushed back against the effort, with spokesman Judd Deere saying in a statement: “As President Trump said yesterday, this is a time for healing and unity as one nation. A politically motivated impeachment against a president, who has done a great job, with 12 days remaining in his term will only serve to further divide our great country.”
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    Give me a damn break. Trump has spent 4 years gaslighting and fomenting nothing but division and hard feelings. Now on the eve of his second impeachment with 12 days left in his term it's time for healing and unity? Not on your life Donny Boy, not on your life. It's time for justice, and you will pay the price.

    the "law and order" President is going down for sedition among other things
     
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    Yggdrasill said:
    What are the consequences of invoking the 25th Amendment?

    Also, Pence could still pardon Trump, which would NOT be good.
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    I don't think Pence is going to pardon him. After showing a decided lacks of balls for 3 years and 353 days, Pence has finally grown a set. I think it was the fact his own family was in danger at the capitol building thanks to Trump's confederation of dunces.
     
    If Trump is impeached and removed from office by the Senate, then he can't run for president again. If he can't run for president again, he can't use a presidential campaign to con people out of millions of dollars. If he can't use a campaign to con millions of dollars, he's going to be in a world of financial hurt.

    Damned skippy Trump is going to try to shut down any impeachment.
     
    The relatively sane wing of the GOP would be morons not to take this golden opportunity to bar Trump from running in 2024. All they need is about sixteen votes. Already have Murkowski and almost certainly Romney. Mitch could easily cobble together another thirteen in addition to himself.
     
    SaulGoodmanEsq said:
    The relatively sane wing of the GOP would be morons not to take this golden opportunity to bar Trump from running in 2024. All they need is about sixteen votes. Already have Murkowski and almost certainly Romney. Mitch could easily cobble together another thirteen in addition to himself.
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    Yeah banish him and rebuild the party now would be the smart thing to do.


    Then again refusing the nomination four years ago would have been the smarter play
     
    DaveXA said:
    Yeah, I'd much rather the 25th and get it done quickly. Impeachment would take longer. While I think it should happen, with less than 2 weeks til inauguration, not sure Congress will get there. Easier said than done.
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    The House can and probably will impeach next week. The Senate may not even take up the impeachment until after the Democrats take control. Then impeachment will be a little easier, since Democrats have won 4 more seats, which means they'll only need to convince 16 Republicans to convict. If Trump gets convicted, then he won't be able to run for any federal office, which means he would create a path for many more Republicans to run for president in 2024. There are at least 4 Republicans that would probably be easy to convince (Sasse, Murkowski, Romney and Collins), so the question is can 12 of the remaining 46 be convinced. It doesn't seem impossible after the seditious acts, especially since more than half of registered Republican voters also condemn the attack on the capital. That means that only about 15% of Americans don't blame Trump, which should give many of those Republicans courage to convict him.
     
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    He's right in that technically -- per Senate rules -- it can't be done without unanimous consent because the Senate is not in session. However, I think it's revealing that he isn't really pushing back on it. They can still impeach someone who has left office.
     
    SaulGoodmanEsq said:
    He's right in that technically -- per Senate rules -- it can't be done without unanimous consent because the Senate is not in session. However, I think it's revealing that he isn't really pushing back on it. They can still impeach someone who has left office.
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    I wonder if Trump would be able to ignore the House's subpoena after he is no longer president.
     
    SaulGoodmanEsq said:
    He's right in that technically -- per Senate rules -- it can't be done without unanimous consent because the Senate is not in session. However, I think it's revealing that he isn't really pushing back on it. They can still impeach someone who has left office.
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    McConnell is reportedly not talking to Trump.
     
    GrandAdmiral said:
    Doesn't matter. The impeachment would occur before his term is over. If he doesn't present a team to defend him, it means the trial ends sooner rather than later. Fine by me.
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    Isn't there a chance the impeachment hearing or Trump being required to testify doesn't occur before the 20th?

    I'm referring to the fact that as the sitting president, Trump was able to duck subpoenas. I was wondering if he would be able to continue doing that after the 20th.
     
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    LA - L.A. said:
    Isn't there a chance the impeachment hearing or Trump being required to testify doesn't occur before the 20th?

    I'm referring to the fact that as the sitting president, Trump was able to duck subpoenas. I was wondering if he would be able to continue doing that after the 20th.
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    The House isn't handing out subpoenas. One, they're not required if the Rules Committee deems it. And what testimony is needed? They all witnessed it themselves. The president isn't guaranteed a defense until the trial begins in the Senate.

    I truly expect Trump to be impeached before the end of next week unless he resigns (he won't) or Pence steps in with the 25th Amendment (which doesn't seem to be happening). The trial will begin after the inauguration.
     
    That is what I think will happen also, GA. I do think he will be pressured a bit to resign, by appealing to his ego and his pocketbook. By resigning he can avoid the stigma of being the only president to ever have been impeached twice, a feat he would have accomplished in only one term. Also, if what I read about him losing some of his monetary perks if he is impeached, well, that might be enough to convince him to resign on Jan 19 or even early on Jan. 20. Just a guess.
     

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