What happens to the Republican Party now? (1 Viewer)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[MT15]

More evidence that actual Hungarians don’t really like what Orban is doing.

 

[faceman]

The issue is that cults centered around an individual are devoted to that individual. They are not devoted to ideas, values or philosophies, they are devoted solely to the personality. Sure, the leader of the cult spews bullshirt ideas, values and philosophies, but the thing the leader says is only important to the devotees because they are said by the leader. That's why the cult leader can contradict themselves constantly without any of their devotees questioning them.

Tyrant Trump's cult is a cult of personality devoted to him and only him. When Trump goes, so goes his cult. No one will be able to step in as the new leader of the cult, no matter how charismatic they are. People can speak and act the same way Trump did, but Trump's cult will not follow them. They can build their own cult and they can con some of tyrant Trump's lost devotees into following them, but they will have to work at it. It will not be a "the queen is dead, long live the queen" situation.

Usually when a cult of personalty leader falls, several people compete to take over the cult which leads to the cult splintering into fighting groups until they marginalize themselves and fade away.

It's been said many times on this forum. We have to give credit to Trump for charisma. He has done and said things
that would cost most politicians their career. Vance would never survive dancing silently on the floor after an incoherent
speech or saying a multitude of the things Trump has uttered.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

It's been said many times on this forum. We have to give credit to Trump for charisma.

I understand what you're saying. I don't see it as charisma. I see it an immoral willingness to say whatever he has to say to con and manipulate prey on people who are vulnerable to being conned and manipulated. There are a lot of people that could have done what Trump has done if they were ruthless and self-serving enough to have absolutely no empathy for anyone else. I don't see that as charisma, even thought that's how it's commonly defined. It's just like how I don't see Musk as any more of a visionary or genius than anyone else. He's just ruthlessly self-serving. Most billionaires are.

He has done and said things that would cost most politicians their career.

I think it's because Trump did it without reservation or hesitation. Also keep in mind that the producers of The Apprentice made Trump look good. Trump didn't make himself look good on that show, the producers did and they had to fight Trump several times to keep from making himself look bad.

Vance would never survive dancing silently on the floor after an incoherent speech or saying a multitude of the things Trump has uttered.

 

[longtime lurker]

Sen. Mark Warner says Trump's tax bill will be a "political albatross" for Republicans

Sen. Mark Warner suggested that the bill, which is nearing a final vote in the Senate, could lose support from Republicans, saying "it's not over until it's over."

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Eric Trump has suggested that the Trump family hasn’t ruled out seeking to establish a political dynasty, with him and other family members potentially running for office.

The second son of President Donald Trump told the Financial Times that a political career would be “easy” for family members to pursue after the end of the president’s second term in 2029.

“The real question is: ‘Do you want to drag other members of your family into it?’” Eric Trump told the paper.

“Would I want my kids to live the same experience over the last decade that I’ve lived?” he asked.

“If the answer was yes, I think the political path would be an easy one, meaning, I think I could do it,” he added. “And by the way, I think other members of our family could do it too.”………

President Eric? Trump’s second son hints at a political dynasty

‘I think the political path would be an easy one, meaning, I think I could do it,’ Eric Trump says

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

I understand what you're saying. I don't see it as charisma. I see it an immoral willingness to say whatever he has to say to con and manipulate prey on people who are vulnerable to being conned and manipulated. There are a lot of people that could have done what Trump has done if they were ruthless and self-serving enough to have absolutely no empathy for anyone else. I don't see that as charisma, even thought that's how it's commonly defined. It's just like how I don't see Musk as any more of a visionary or genius than anyone else. He's just ruthlessly self-serving. Most billionaires are.


I think it's because Trump did it without reservation or hesitation. Also keep in mind that the producers of The Apprentice made Trump look good. Trump didn't make himself look good on that show, the producers did and they had to fight Trump several times to keep from making himself look bad.

I get what you're saying but I disagree

Like it or not Trump has a special something, call it charisma, charm, magnetism, pull, special sauce

Whatever you call it, it exists

And whatever it is JD Vance and Ron DeSantis don't have it

Post Trump will be in fighting, backstabbing and dissention worthy of a Game of Thrones episode

Whoever 'wins' won't have that special something either. MAGA will limp along and will still a presence/threat but it won't be anywhere near as when Trump was leading the show

I've said before that it's possible whoever Trump 2.0 is, we haven't see him or her on the national stage yet

Maybe involved in city or town government, maybe even still in school, but they're out there

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I get what you're saying but I disagree

Like it or not Trump has a special something, call it charisma, charm, magnetism, pull, special sauce

Whatever you call it, it exists

And whatever it is JD Vance and Ron DeSantis don't have it

Post Trump will be in fighting, backstabbing and dissention worthy of a Game of Thrones episode

Whoever 'wins' won't have that special something either. MAGA will limp along and will still a presence/threat but it won't be anywhere near as when Trump was leading the show

I've said before that it's possible whoever Trump 2.0 is, we haven't see him or her on the national stage yet

Maybe involved in city or town government, maybe even still in school, but they're out there

I hear you, but pull should never be followed by special sauce.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Wasn’t sure where to put this
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National pride in America has hit a record low, with Democrats and independents feeling less prideful in the country than ever, a new Gallup poll says.

Only 36 percent of Democrats say they're "extremely" or "very" proud to be American,while 53 percent of independents said they were, according to the poll conducted just before the Independence Day holiday weekend

The findings are a stark illustration of how many, but not all, Americans have felt less of a sense of pride in their country over the past decade.

Meanwhile, Republicans reported a higher level of pride in the country, with 92 percent saying they are extremely or very proud to be American.

The split between Democrats and Republicans, at 56 percentage points, is at its widest since 2001. That includes all four years of President Donald Trump's first term.

While Republicans’ pride in the country is on the rise, it’s still not enough to offset the diminishing pride of Democrats…….

Pride in America hits historic low, new poll finds just days before July 4 holiday

While Republicans’ pride has swelled, Democrats and independents are less prideful in the United States than ever

www.independent.co.uk