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    I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..

    2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogue

    Harris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House depending on results the next few days…..

    What went wrong?
    What could’ve been done better?
    What can we change in the future to ensure voters are motivated like they were when Obama was elected?

    Democrats have no choice but to admit there’s a huge problem with some aspect of their platform— and to do a deep introspection of what’s going wrong..
     
    The only person that the GOP has that comes close is Musk and (thankfully) he’s ineligible to run.
     
    Saint Jack said:
    I have to push back. Just a bit.
    You’re always gonna have that solid Republican base.
    But the GOP isn’t gonna have another candidate where people will buy hats and shirts like Trump does.
    JD Vance’s picture isn’t gonna be hanging next to Bear Bryant in an elderly couple’s home like Trump.
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    Agree 100%

    Said many times before that we'll see what Trumpism looks like without Trump

    Fingers crossed that it all falls apart because you're right no one else has that 'special sauce' and hold over the base that Trump does
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Agree 100%

    Said many times before that we'll see what Trumpism looks like without Trump

    Fingers crossed that it all falls apart because you're right no one else has that 'special sauce' and hold over the base that Trump does
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    And here’s another aspect.
    Trump’s wins in 16 and 24 weren’t huge wins.
    Trump didn’t even win the popular vote in 16 and 24 only got it by less than 2 million.
     
    Saint Jack said:
    And here’s another aspect.
    Trump’s wins in 16 and 24 weren’t huge wins.
    Trump didn’t even win the popular vote in 16 and 24 only got it by less than 2 million.
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    and plenty of people didn't vote for political reasons, didn't vote for policies, didn't vote for a party

    They voted for Donald J Trump

    We'll see what they do when that's off the table
     

    For the Record, 10 Dems voted to censure Green. One of these things is not like the other. :jpshakehead:

    They need to understand that the rules no longer apply. Biden went along with those old rules and what did that get him? Dude showed trump nothing but grace and class during this transition and the GOP just spat in his face!
     
    DJ1BigTymer said:

    For the Record, 10 Dems voted to censure Green. One of these things is not like the other. :jpshakehead:

    They need to understand that the rules no longer apply. Biden went along with those old rules and what did that get him? Dude showed trump nothing but grace and class during this transition and the GOP just spat in his face!
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    Democrats time and again choose decorum over stepping out of line and fighting for the rights of working people, to stay quiet instead of challenging Trump at every juncture.

    Al Green had the guts to be a human - not a rank / file politician.

    This sit back and wait and maybe things will get better mentality won’t work when our institutions are obliterated 4 years from now. It isn’t just about “when he’s gone, it’ll be fine”. Trump is a symptom, not the root of the problem, as so many have said…

    One massive problem is that systemically we’ve created a system of politics reliant on the billionaire class and now, in a sudden panic, we’re trying to rid a government of being ransacked by one of those billionaires. America has reaped what it will sow.

    I truly don’t mean to be so pessimistic, but I see no way out from the bottom of the hill we’re accelerating toward..Which is a true oligarchical state. Unless there is a legitimate class war, I don’t see this changing.
     
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    Heathen said:
    Democrats time and again choose decorum over stepping out of line and fighting for the rights of working people, to stay quiet instead of challenging Trump at every juncture.

    Al Green had the guts to be a human - not a rank / file politician.

    This sit back and wait and maybe things will get better mentality won’t work when our institutions are obliterated 4 years from now. It isn’t just about “when he’s gone, it’ll be fine”. Trump is a symptom, not the root of the problem, as so many have said…

    One massive problem is that systemically we’ve created a system of politics reliant on the billionaire class and now, in a sudden panic, we’re trying to rid a government of being ransacked by one of those billionaires. America has reaped what it will sow.

    I truly don’t mean to be so pessimistic, but I see no way out from the bottom of the hill we’re accelerating toward..Which is a true oligarchical state. Unless there is a legitimate class war, I don’t see this changing.
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    Agreed.

    The Democratic Party doesn’t get it that conditions have changed.

    This. Is. War.
     
    Voters are not convinced Democrats have a plan to take on President Donald Trump, a new poll has found.

    Fifty percent of respondents said they voted for Trump in the presidential election, while 48 percent said they voted for former Vice President Kamala Harris.

    Forty-eight percent now say they disapprove of Trump’s handling of his job, while 47 percent approve, according to the survey results by Blueprint, a liberal firm, that polled 1,383 voters between February 16 and 17.

    When asked what voters thought of the Democrats' response to the election, 40 percent said the party doesn’t have a strategy for responding to Trump. Another 24 percent said the Democratic Party has a strategy but it’s not working.

    An additional 26 percent said they weren’t sure how to respond.

    The apparent uncertainty and lack of a united strategy emerged earlier this week as Democrats protested Trump in very different ways during his speech before a joint session of Congress Tuesday. Several female Democratic lawmakers lined the U.S. Capitol aisles donning bright pink clothing to show support for women and reproductive rights.

    Representative Al Green of Texas protested the beginning of Trump’s speech until he was removed by the Sergeant at Arms at House Speaker Mike Johnson’s direction.

    Green yelled: “You have no mandate” and shook his cane at the president to protest Trump’s reported scheme to slash Medicaid until he was ejected.

    Outside the chamber, Green, 77, vowed to introduce articles of impeachment against the president………





    www.independent.co.uk

    Voters still unconvinced that Democrats have any plan to tackle Trump, new poll shows

    Democrats appeared largely divided in their response to Trump’s congressional address this week
    www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
     
    Chances are low that Joe Rogan will save your soul—or your party. Since Donald Trump’s election victory, countless Democrats have lamented their party’s losses among men, and young men, in particular.

    One refrain has been a yearning for a “Rogan of the left” who might woo back all the dudes who have migrated to MAGA. If the wishfulness is misplaced, the underlying problem is real: Trump carried men by roughly 12 points in November, including 57 percent of men under 30.

    I recently spoke with Democrats across different levels of leadership to see how they were trying to address this electorally lethal gender gap.

    Two theories for how to win back men, I found, are bubbling up. One is to improve the party’s cultural appeal to men, embracing rather than scolding masculinity.

    The other is to focus on more traditional messaging about the economy, on the assumption that if Democrats build an agenda for blue-collar America, the guys will follow.

    These approaches are not necessarily in conflict, but they each present a challenge for the modern Democratic Party.

    And as pundits and consultants peddle their rival solutions, they highlight another risk: Even if Democrats can settle on a message, will voters believe they really mean it?

    Representative Jake Auchincloss of Massachusetts is one of many Democrats who believe that the party has to make a serious, sustained outreach effort to connect with men.

    What Democrats should not say or do seems more obvious than what they should proactively offer. “No one wants to hear men talk about masculinity,” Auchincloss, a former Marine, told me. “We’re not going to orient society’s decision making to the cognitive worldview of a 16-year-old male.”

    Even as he disavowed the idea that solving the guy problem should involve some promotion of testosterone-laced pandering, Auchincloss suggested that the party ought to find its way to a more positive, inspirational message. “We need to embrace a culture of heroism, not a culture of victimhood. Young men need models for their ambition,” he said.

    Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut also notes liberal squeamishness about masculine themes; he says the party is losing male voters in part because even talking about the need to improve the lives of men could run afoul of what he calls the “word police” on the left.

    Murphy told me, “There’s a worry that when you start talking about gender differences and masculinity, that you’re going to very quickly get in trouble.”

    The Democratic Party, he thinks, has not been purposeful enough in opening up a conversation with men in general and young men specifically.

    “There is a reluctance inside the progressive movement to squarely acknowledge gender differences, and that has really put us on the back foot.”

    For Murphy, the right message might come from an earlier era—a notion that could seem antithetical to the very idea of progressivism.

    “We cannot and shouldn’t abandon some of the traditional ways that men find value and meaning: in providing protection, in taking high levels of risk, in taking pride in physical work,” he told me. “There’s a lot of worry that all of those traditional male characteristics are somehow illegitimate.”

    So far, the GOP seems to be doing a far more effective job of engaging male voters in ways that reflect the reality of today’s popular culture.

    Trump has embraced UFC’s Dana White, and has made grand entrances at MMA fights. (Years before he ran for president, Trump would appear at pro-wrestling events, and he is a member of the WWE hall of fame.)

    “We have to go where people are consuming culture and sports and entertainment,” Auchincloss told me, “and talk about issues of the day in a way that is coded for political orientation but that is more broadly accessible and interesting.”

    Last fall, Senator Ruben Gallego of Arizona tried this Go where the men are concept. “We should do anything to reach out to voters,” he told me. “And that means men.”

    Gallego argues that Democrats have been too hesitant to directly address men’s everyday reality, and that this is a grave mistake. “Black, Latino, and white men are not doing well in this country. They’re not obtaining college degrees,” Gallego said.

    “If we were to look at the numbers and just take out the gender, we would say, Wow, that group of Americans needs some attention. But all of a sudden, if you add the little m next to that, it’s somehow something that we shouldn’t be worried about—and I reject that.”

    Gallego’s Senate-campaign stops included boxing gyms, soccer watch parties, and Mexican rodeos.

    Trump won the state at the presidential level by more than five percentage points, but Gallego defeated his Republican challenger, Kari Lake, in the Senate battle with a 2.4 percent margin. “I think the voters, the male voters, understood that I understood them and what they were going through,” he said...............

    Democrats Have a Man Problem​


    www.theatlantic.com

    Democrats Have a Man Problem

    The quest to win back the men lost to MAGA opens a rift over class and gender that party leaders are struggling to close.
    www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com
     
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