Joe Biden on Gun Control (1 Viewer)

[Beach Friends]

While saying he supports the Second Amendment, Biden called the absolutist arguments of some gun-rights supporters “bizarre.” Noting people can’t own machine guns or bazookas, Biden said, “Why should we allow people to have military-style weapons including pistols with 9-mm bullets and can hold 10 or more rounds?”

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IMO, if Biden wants to persuade people, including those who want to retain the right to own weapons for self defense, he really should learn more about guns. Based on prior statements as well those he made in the linked article, he seems hung up on the idea that a shotgun is the correct weapon for personal defense, and that a 2-3 round capacity is adequate. Furthermore, when he throws out "9mm" as if it is some unusually lethal round, he really sounds as though he is, at best, willfully ignorant and can't be trusted when it comes to legislation restricting gun ownership.

 

[Sharon]

Ma’am you are speaking about something you have zero understanding. I assure you we don’t think of guns as toys. We don’t treat them that way and we don’t educate our children that way.

to answer your question, I would rather people who understand guns making those laws.

and what weapon would you like me to use to keep my property from getting run over by hogs. I’m willing to talk it out.

for added conversation, my neighbor saw a coyote on his cameras the other day. I have my beautiful, Henry arms 17hmr, out of the safe Incase I also see the coyote. Now ask yourself, why am I using the 300 for the hogs and the 17hmr for the coyotes.

that is if you really want to know and not just throw out politic-speak.

Making assumptions does not help your argument. "A" coyote on your neighbor's camera? Please. They're everywhere, yet somehow life goes on. My first thought when I see them is not to "get my gun."

 

[Lazybones]

Making assumptions does not help your argument. "A" coyote on your neighbor's camera? Please. They're everywhere, yet somehow life goes on. My first thought when I see them is not to "get my gun."

I assume you don’t raise rabbits or chickens. Or for that matter have two of the cutest yorkies in the world named pappi and handsome.

 

[V Chip]

true if I were hog hunting from a stand. When I get up at 5 am and there are 5 hogs in my yard, I’m not interested in trying to stalk them. The most I have ever killed in a scenario like that was 2. I have taken a 3rd shot on an occasion, but they are out of range at that point.

Again, an AR15 is overkill for that situation. You’d definitely want a rifle that could fire multiple rounds if you plan on killing them all (or some) instead of shooting one or two and scaring the others off. A shotgun wouldn’t do you any good except scaring them off or making them mad.

Im trying to back up your idea that rifles are needed — not arguing against you, just FYI.

 

[Sharon]

I assume you don’t raise rabbits or chickens. Or for that matter have two of the cutest yorkies in the world named pappi and handsome.

Yorkies? Those are those yappy cats, right? (Sorry, real dogs are big LOL) And, no, at the moment I am not knowingly supporting either of those species, but they're here. Maybe we need more coyotes? I can make lists of critters my dogs are fine with, including chickens, rabbits, possum, raccoons, armadillos, deer, etc. I haven't *seen* them react or not to coyotes, so I can't say.

The dog angle is interesting, too. Think about the risk taken by someone shooting what they think is a coyote, but turns out to be someone's dog.

Does using a gun solve more problems than it creates?

 

[Lazybones]

Again, an AR15 is overkill for that situation. You’d definitely want a rifle that could fire multiple rounds if you plan on killing them all (or some) instead of shooting one or two and scaring the others off. A shotgun wouldn’t do you any good except scaring them off or making them mad.

Im trying to back up your idea that rifles are needed — not arguing against you, just FYI.

once again, I’m not shooting a traditional ar-15. When you say a rifle which one specifically should I use? I’m not that good of a shot to hit moving targets at 200 yards with my std deer rifles. From my door to where the exit is to the river is about 350 yards. I don’t have a great place to elevate to get the best shot using the long rifles.

the 300 gives me the ability to move around to the big oak and always kill one and a couple times 2. I assure you if I perched in a tree 1000 yards away and have the 308 sited in, the first squeeze and 1 hog will be dead and the rest will be gone. I’m sure Chris Kyle might be able to shoot multiple hogs at once with a long rifle or even Lucas McCain. But I’m not either If those guys.

 

[Lazybones]

Yorkies? Those are those yappy cats, right? (Sorry, real dogs are big LOL) And, no, at the moment I am not knowingly supporting either of those species, but they're here. Maybe we need more coyotes?

It just highlights your lack of understanding of how some people live day to day. Yet want to tell us how we should live. Find where I’m trying to push my way of life in you or anyone else for that matter.

 

[Sharon]

I was in the process of editing my post and took too long before hitting submit.

I only know about you what you have chosen to share.

People in a discussion are not necessarily "telling you" how you should live or "pushing" a way of life on others. I thought our shared concern was in choosing politicians who would work for the common good. I don't want you overrun by hogs and I don't think you want kids killing each other over shoes. We can find some solution. Or find trivial differences and magnify them to the point of shutting down conversations and obscuring the real problems.

 

[Lazybones]

I was in the process of editing my post and took too long before hitting submit.

I only know about you what you have chosen to share.

And yet you still want to tell me how to live.

 

[The moose]

a 300 blackout is not a sniper rifle, however it’s a great hog hunter. Unlike the traditional ar15, the 300 doesn’t have the range, however delivers a might blow at shorter ranges.

a 300 blackout is to the traditional ar15 just as opposite is the 22mag to the 17hmr. The 17hmr is faster and more accurate at longer ranges try an the 22 mag.

I would guess a 300 blackout has a range of somewhere around 400 yards and a regular AR-15 is around 600. I would guess the 308 you brought up that set back a couple grand is better than all of them. Because the NATO world uses that as a sniper round.

What else ya want to talk about like maybe the white flight that has you living out in the sticks instead of the burbs so you have to deal with pigs? Oh maybe that is the fear?

Oh and the coyotes we have them in city park and have for years I am not scared!

 

[Sharon]

And yet you still want to tell me how to live.

Are those the magic words that cause someone to latch on and fight? I guess that's not a motivating factor for me or how I interpret the world.

So, when a coworker remarks about me not getting the flu shot, should I lash out and and tell her not to tell me how to live? I don't get it.

 

[The moose]

Are those the magic words that cause someone to latch on and fight? I guess that's not a motivating factor for me or how I interpret the world.

So, when a coworker remarks about me not getting the flu shot, should I lash out and and tell her not to tell me how to live? I don't get it.

One of my favorite arguments is you are. Judging me. That is one and the same with telling me how to live.

After multiple arguments like that I have come to the conclusion that is code with I have no reason to backup my beliefs or can't come up with the answer. Not a tough code to crack.

The days were much easier when you mom just said because I said so. Maybe they shouldn't try that one.

Still trying to figure out the ghost or kit gun thing. Or why they are afraid of background checks?

Maybe another day they will come up with an answer.

 

[Beach Friends]

I would guess a 300 blackout has a range of somewhere around 400 yards and a regular AR-15 is around 600. I would guess the 308 you brought up that set back a couple grand is better than all of them. Because the NATO world uses that as a sniper round.

What else ya want to talk about like maybe the white flight that has you living out in the sticks instead of the burbs so you have to deal with pigs? Oh maybe that is the fear?

Oh and the coyotes we have them in city park and have for years I am not scared!

Why are you declaring that the reason he lives where he lives has anything to do with race?

He didn't say anything at all that would justify you making that assumption, let alone you saying definitively that his choice of residence is based on race.

Hell, I don't know the race of his neighbors and I don't care. I have heard enough to be pretty confident that I would love to live in that home if I could afford that property.

On the other hand, someone else might choose a place in the city for that same money because they don't care to "live in the sticks."

 

[Archies Ghost]

That is just beautiful that you are scared of having instruments of death licensed rather handed out all dipshits with a pulse.

What would you say to the fact that one of those dipshits playing with an instrument of death shot one of my good friends in the face and killed him when we were teenagers.

Would he still have had the gun maybe or maybe not because his parents a were dipshits also his dad might have not passed a test or check. I am certain since his dad did a stretch in Angola later he would have had a hard time legally getting a gun with a background check.

About that woman and the pigs yes it sucks.

Something is not being said about the story. So I think pigs bum rushed her like a car jacking? No something else happened. She probably did not get out of the car quick and finished a phone call or are pigs known for rushing moving cars?

Were both situations avoidable with a gun or gun laws?

I don't know but my good friend Craig was taken too early by another minor playing with an instrument of death.

About that Bruce picture I don't know what to tell ya but stay away from that crazy family. They are batshit crazy. He is far from the only male to flat arse loose his mind around them.

I can't actually understand this post for the most part but I will try to respond.

In response to point 1, we obviously disagree on the meaning of freedom so it really makes no sense to keep going in circles on the 2nd Amendment.

As to point 2, your friend's death to a teenager 'playing' with an 'instrument of death' is not the instrument's fault nor is it the fault of every other American who must have their 2nd Amendment rights infringed upon to assuage your survivors guilt.

It is the responsibility of the one 'playing' and his irresponsible parents. Licensing guns does not fix the problem.

It is only cover for your desire to exert control over others.

 

[Sharon]

It is only cover for your desire to exert control over others.

This seems to be the second new theme. So when we step into the voting booth, is it because of our desire to control others? Is this some attempt to shame?

Why the need to talk in extremes? Or make enemies where there are none?

Who is pushing this narrative that anyone who "opposes" some notion you've just typed out must be trying to take over your life and control you? Wow.

 

[Archies Ghost]

This post does nothing to help the discussion. "Excellent demonstration" "true agenda" ??? What are you talking about? And Bruce Jenner pics? Seriously, you've got (at least) two women near that magic 59 year range participating in this discussion who are not going ballistic over that one article. Yet you do.

I don't think this helps us get closer to any solutions. We need to work together, not work to wedge people into some preconceived platforms. You are not my enemy, and the rest of us are not yours.

Oh boy, another wannabe moderator!

I will give the play by play breakdown.

Here is what The moose posted:

Well since she was a 59 year old woman and women are never born with a pair I don't think the screwdriver would have helped.

But if you think the world would be a safer place with ghost guns in the hands of elderly women feel free to give me that argument i am sure it would be a hoot!

So Bruce Jenner first. Jenner is now a woman. She was born with a "pair. The photo is just an effective demonstration of the error in his first sentence.

On to the meat of the issue.

The drive for gun control has always been about control. An armed populace is infinitely harder to ride roughshod over.

The moose' focus on unserialized guns (ghost guns) points to his(I assume from his misogyny) real agenda when it comes to guns. Control. I think that is fairly obvious. Every post The moose makes in this thread is about exerting control over gun owners and limiting their choices in what arms they are free to bear.

His second sentence expresses his disdain for the ability of 59 year old women to safely and effectively bear arms, even calling them "elderly" in a manner that can only be seen as derogatory.

Do you really want to relinquish freedom to people who think in this manner?

So instead of not contributing to the discussion, my post is far too on point for comfort.

Gun control is about Control and the people seeking that control feel compelled to be the arbiters of who 'qualifies' for rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

 

[Beach Friends]

Why the need to talk in extremes? Or make enemies where there are none?

I would think that if those were your concerns you would take note of the fact that someone in this thread just, out of the blue, accused another of being a racist. I realize that the accuser is on your side of the gun control argument, but still if you are going to be critical of people for making divisive arguments that do not contribute to finding common ground that would be the most obvious place to start.

I spoke up because I don't think that accused should have to defend himself from such a baseless accusation. But it may mean more coming from someone on his side of the real issues we are discussing ITT.

 

[Sharon]

Oh boy, another wannabe moderator!

I will give the play by play breakdown.

Here is what The moose posted:



So Bruce Jenner first. Jenner is now a woman. She was born with a "pair. The photo is just an effective demonstration of the error in his first sentence.

On to the meat of the issue.

The drive for gun control has always been about control. An armed populace is infinitely harder to ride roughshod over.

The moose' focus on unserialized guns (ghost guns) points to his(I assume from his misogyny) real agenda when it comes to guns. Control. I think that is fairly obvious. Every post The moose makes in this thread is about exerting control over gun owners and limiting their choices in what arms they are free to bear.

His second sentence expresses his disdain for the ability of 59 year old women to safely and effectively bear arms, even calling them "elderly" in a manner that can only be seen as derogatory.

Do you really want to relinquish freedom to people who think in this manner?

So instead of not contributing to the discussion, my post is far too on point for comfort.

Gun control is about Control and the people seeking that control feel compelled to be the arbiters of who 'qualifies' for rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

Nope. That's not what was communicated. Maybe through an extremely narrow, biased and literal lens? Exhausting and not productive. Oh well.

 

[The moose]

Why are you declaring that the reason he lives where he lives has anything to do with race?

He didn't say anything at all that would justify you making that assumption, let alone you saying definitively that his choice of residence is based on race.

Hell, I don't know the race of his neighbors and I don't care. I have heard enough to be pretty confident that I would love to live in that home if I could afford that property.

On the other hand, someone else might choose a place in the city for that same money because they don't care to "live in the sticks."

Just piecing together stuff.

A while back said he was born and raised in either haraklan or river ridge. Two of the original white flight subdivisions and ungodly racist my entire lifetime and still are today. less than one percent black to this day in haraklan and 10% for river ridge.

Now he lives on 7+ acres on a river with a pond. It must be the sticks.

Are we gonna deny that haraklan or river ridge are not white flight communities that exploded back in the 60s because of the equal rights movement? Go on and try that will be a hoot.

All big southern cities had white flight and racist towns that welcomed them in just a short drive away from the city so they could commute to the place to make money.

Now they have to move further away. I am sure that is what most stick dwellers do now and the main reason to live out in the sticks.



What are we gonna tell me that denham springs is not racist?

What about Forsyth County out side of Atlanta?