Russian attitudes taking hold in US (1 Viewer)

[Ayo]

If you replaced ayo with oye, would that make it 4th person?

I dunno... you'd have to ask him.

 

[DaveXA]

I try to form words...but I'm at a loss.

 

[Ayo]

I try to form words...but I'm at a loss.

It's okay. That's normal.

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[Lazybones]

Isn't it fair to challenge what someone thinks? Maybe your viewpoint about hyperbole is correct and maybe it isnt. I'd think seeking out more objective truth would be an important endeavor. It is ok to challenge our own assertions.

Regarding mt15. Are you challenging her recollection of what she heard an expert say? Or something else? Her OP was mostly a recollection of someone else's statement, going off memory. Am I wrong?

As I stated, I think it is disingenuous to try and sell it as “I just thought it was a unique comparison and wanted people’s opinion”.

She wanted everyone to say, “omg girl, you right. He wants to be just like him, blah blah blah”

At least that is how I interpreted it. I mean I agree with you, it is ok to challenge people’s motives correct?

 

[DaveXA]

As I stated, I think it is disingenuous to try and sell it as “I just thought it was a unique comparison and wanted people’s opinion”.

She wanted everyone to say, “omg girl, you right. He wants to be just like him, blah blah blah”

At least that is how I interpreted it. I mean I agree with you, it is ok to challenge people’s motives correct?

I'm not as concerned with motives as I am with whether a point is valid or not. It's not really that complicated.

She made a fair observation. You can agree with it or not, but we're just getting started here and already are making unwarranted assumptions about people's posting history, which is completely irrelevant to the observation she posed in the OP.

I mean, forget posting history. Make a valid rebuttal or move on to the next thread.

 

[Lazybones]

I'm not as concerned with motives as I am with whether a point is valid or not. It's not really that complicated.

She made a fair observation. You can agree with it or not, but we're just getting started here and already are making unwarranted assumptions about people's posting history, which is completely irrelevant to the observation she posed in the OP.

I mean, forget posting history. Make a valid rebuttal or move on to the next thread.

I hear you, but I am replying.


I disagree with the OP and they guy she heard on the radio. I think it is the same old thing just a different day. I think the narrative is to pile on, not converse.

I’m not being rude or argumentative. OP said she believes the narrative and she has her reasons. I said I disagree and I have my reasons. Sure, her posting history just verifies the thought.

The thing that the left misses is that it is this type of hyperbole that drives us crazy. It wouldn’t matter if trump would have lost the election to Cruz. Cruz would have been given the same treatment by the media and people like OP.

That’s not being derogatory, it’s explaining my position, which was asked for by multiple posters and OP. I can’t help it if they don’t like the answer and don’t want to really hear what I have to say.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

I said I disagree and I have my reasons. Sure, her posting history just verifies the thought.

if only there was .. like.. a forum where you could express/explain those thoughts

The thing that the left misses is that it is this type of hyperbole that drives us crazy. It wouldn’t matter if trump would have lost the election to Cruz. Cruz would have been given the same treatment by the media and people like OP.

so i don't think you are arguing that us leftists get it wrong 100 of the time just that we go overboard (pile on) in our reactions to Trumpisms

if me read is correct could you give a few examples of where we were correct to have a negative view of a Trump action, but went overboard?

That’s not being derogatory, it’s explaining my position, which was asked for by multiple posters and OP. I can’t help it if they don’t like the answer and don’t want to really hear what I have to say.

your position is that we exaggerate - you have yet to explain why you think OP was wrong in her assessment

you have only stated why you think Putin is a communist and you really did not state that - more like nudged around the edges of that idea - which still wouldn't have explained anything about why you disagree with OP unless you think she means Trump is a communist

 

[Lazybones]

There is plenty that he is a gasbag for.

1. Sharpie gate is one. Now can you give me one that you have overreacted to initially, but now realize it was an over reaction.

We can keep sharing if you want to participate.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

I’m going to respond in good faith. But for you to think that I or anyone’s has to follow this imaginary set of rules that you guys have is quite entertaining. I hope you play along.


There is plenty that he is a gasbag for.

1. Sharpie gate is one. Now can you give me one that you have overreacted to initially, but now realize it was an over reaction.

We can keep sharing if you want to participate.

As far as me finding evidence to support why I think OP is hyperbole is laughable.

Here's the funny thing, I think Sharpiegate was completely overblown. It wasn't corrupt, it was funny. It was a sign of his insecurity but really had no effect on anything. I found it hilarious and my Facebook page is full of Sharpie jokes. I would put that in the category of overreaction. Other things I think people overreacted to (not me personally, but...)

Criticizing Judges - Yes, he's inarticulate about it. He's inarticulate about everything. However, Conservatives and Liberal politicians have been railing against judges they disagree with for 2.5 centuries.

Dismissal of the US Attorneys - That's not terribly unusual

That he doesn't really know his judicial appointments - Don't kid yourself, neither do any other Presidents.

The Whole Kavanaugh thing - Not exactly just Trump, but it was definitely a "Trump" thing.

If I thought hard I could come up with a bunch more. There's been a number of times I've watched people reacting to what he said and thought "that's not what he meant" but none are bubbling up to the top. The relationship between him and the press has become so toxic there is definitely an out to get him attitude in a way that we haven't seen since Nixon. Most of it is deserved, but it goes too far at times.

 

[Lazybones]

I didn’t like him disparaging John McCain’s service record.

I’m not a fan of him being married numerous times

I’m not a fan of him getting wealthy off of the office (though all of Washington does this)

I don’t love how he has handled the border. For a much different reason than the media, but I wish he handled it differently.

The steel tariffs may turn out to be great. I’m not smart enough to know, but it has impacted our business. (We are a big company so it’s cool, but there has been impact)

 

[N.O.Bronco]

I hear you, but I am replying.


I disagree with the OP and they guy she heard on the radio. I think it is the same old thing just a different day. I think the narrative is to pile on, not converse.

I’m not being rude or argumentative. OP said she believes the narrative and she has her reasons. I said I disagree and I have my reasons. Sure, her posting history just verifies the thought.

The thing that the left misses is that it is this type of hyperbole that drives us crazy. It wouldn’t matter if trump would have lost the election to Cruz. Cruz would have been given the same treatment by the media and people like OP.

That’s not being derogatory, it’s explaining my position, which was asked for by multiple posters and OP. I can’t help it if they don’t like the answer and don’t want to really hear what I have to say.

Rolls into a thread calling people deranged.....Claims it is everyone else speaking in derogatory hyperbole.

.....So what is the official name of North Korea for the guy who thinks Putin is a communist because he served under the unitary communist party for 20 years?

Come on now, you ran around asserting all this nonsense for pages and how the left can't not be hyperbolic and the first person asking you to explore this in the most simple, introductory way possible and you get crass, antagonistic, and try and plead the fifth. Cause either you know the trap being set or you have put even less thought into the logic underpinning your argument than I thought.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

in light of Andrus's post, imma bounce

 

[V Chip]

Cruz would have been given the same treatment by the media and people like OP.

That’s absolutely not true.

If you think Trump isn’t largely responsible for the way people think about him and react to him... then I don’t know what to say. He alone acts like Donald Trump. shirt, that’s why his base says they voted for him! If he’s not doing anything at all to deserve the reaction he is getting, why did people vote for him over Cruz or Jeb or Kucinich? That is pretty disingenuous and contradictory to believe he is especially not political and says what he feels and isn’t PC and all the other reasons people give for supporting him, but then turning around and saying other conservatives would be getting the same reactions and disgust/distaste/hate that Trump is getting.

 

[Lazybones]

That’s absolutely not true.

If you think Trump isn’t largely responsible for the way people think about him and react to him... then I don’t know what to say. He alone acts like Donald Trump. shirt, that’s why his base says they voted for him! If he’s not doing anything at all to deserve the reaction he is getting, why did people vote for him over Cruz or Jeb or Kucinich? That is pretty disingenuous and contradictory to believe he is especially not political and says what he feels and isn’t PC and all the other reasons people give for supporting him, but then turning around and saying other conservatives would be getting the same reactions and disgust/distaste/hate that Trump is getting.

Did you witness the way the media treated Bush vs Obama vs trump? I would say they treated bush and trump much closer alike.
I’m not saying the criticism would be he same, but with just as much hate and vitriol.

 

[V Chip]

Did you witness the way the media treated Bush vs Obama vs trump? I would say they treated bush and trump much closer alike.
I’m not saying the criticism would be he same, but with just as much hate and vitriol.

I certainly did.

To say that people in general had the same reaction to Bush or Obama as they do to Trump is a serious retcon. The media isn’t treating Trump worse — they report on his actions and deeds. Trump’s actions and deeds and the way he presents himself with the outrageous number of lies, the bullying, the tweeting, the way he acts — these all bring more negative responses and incredulity from all sides — even his own party. Many many people (including myself) have said we look back fondly on the days of Bush, because he wasn’t such a buffoon as Trump is. HW Bush is held in high regard amongst liberals even though we had big disagreements with him politically, he was an honorable man and President. Had McCain won, you honestly think he would be treated the same as Trump? Really?

 

[Lazybones]

I certainly did.

To say that people in general had the same reaction to Bush or Obama as they do to Trump is a serious retcon. The media isn’t treating Trump worse — they report on his actions and deeds. Trump’s actions and deeds and the way he presents himself with the outrageous number of lies, the bullying, the tweeting, the way he acts — these all bring more negative responses and incredulity from all sides — even his own party. Many many people (including myself) have said we look back fondly on the days of Bush, because he wasn’t such a buffoon as Trump is. HW Bush is held in high regard amongst liberals even though we had big disagreements with him politically, he was an honorable man and President. Had McCain won, you honestly think he would be treated the same as Trump? Really?

You say that about Bush, but it seems like revisionist history to me. No McCain would not have been treated the same, but he would have been pounded about something. Hell the media pounded him when he ran against Obama. Do you think it would have gotten better?

 

[V Chip]

You say that about Bush, but it seems like revisionist history to me. No McCain would not have been treated the same, but he would have been pounded about something. Hell the media pounded him when he ran against Obama. Do you think it would have gotten better?

“Pounded” him? C’mon.

There were plenty of stories about Palin, who was completely not ready for prime time. But to imply the liberals or the media “pounded” McCain is silly. They didn’t treat Bush poorly because he didn’t deserve it through his actions the way Trump does for his ridiculousness.

Something the right seems to forget — Fox News, CNBC, AM radio, and the conservative media went after Obama hard, and he didn’t have nearly any of the daily baggage that Trump has. To even imply anything otherwise is folly.

 

[Lazybones]

“Pounded” him? C’mon.

There were plenty of stories about Palin, who was completely not ready for prime time. But to imply the liberals or the media “pounded” McCain is silly. They didn’t treat Bush poorly because he didn’t deserve it through his actions the way Trump does for his ridiculousness.

Something the right seems to forget — Fox News, CNBC, AM radio, and the conservative media went after Obama hard, and he didn’t have nearly any of the daily baggage that Trump has. To even imply anything otherwise is folly.

I agree with the last paragraph. And that highlights my larger point. 100% Fox News, Oreilly and Limbaugh lambasted Obama, as expected.

The rest of the media did the same to Bush and would have done the same to any republican candidate other than kasick. He was more liberal than Obama (maybe not that liberal, but close).

Time will tell.


*** I thought about going to the search function on the PDB with McCain, but that will not turn out good for anyone with this new kumbaya platform .