Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[MT15]

I like this take on the R entitled behavior

 

[superchuck500]

So...when will people learn what they found?

When the arrests are made and criminal complaints unsealed.

 

[superchuck500]

There’s no way Pence is pardoning him.

Pence Reached His Limit With Trump. It Wasn’t Pretty. (Published 2021)

After four years of tongue-biting silence that critics say enabled the president’s worst instincts, the vice president would not yield to the pressure and name-calling from his boss.

www.nytimes.com

 

[DaveXA]

There’s no way Pence is pardoning him.

Pence Reached His Limit With Trump. It Wasn’t Pretty. (Published 2021)

After four years of tongue-biting silence that critics say enabled the president’s worst instincts, the vice president would not yield to the pressure and name-calling from his boss.

www.nytimes.com

I wonder why he's not pushing for the 25th? I'm pretty sure the cabinet won't go along with it, but I thought he has the option to take it directly to Congress?

That said, 25th doesn't prevent Trump from running again. Impeachement would. Idk.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I wonder why he's not pushing for the 25th? I'm pretty sure the cabinet won't go along with it, but I thought he has the option to take it directly to Congress?

That said, 25th doesn't prevent Trump from running again. Impeachement would. Idk.

1) Pence probably -- and rightfully -- fears for his life at this point.

2) Most of those in the cabinet that would support removal via the 25th Amendment have already resigned. Impeachment and conviction is better assuming one of the stipulated punishments is a bar on holding federal office (which almost certainly will be in there).

 

[Eeyore]

 

[The moose]

I wonder why he's not pushing for the 25th? I'm pretty sure the cabinet won't go along with it, but I thought he has the option to take it directly to Congress?

That said, 25th doesn't prevent Trump from running again. Impeachement would. Idk.

I Would think for the safety of his family

 

[FullMonte]

2) Most of those in the cabinet that would support removal via the 25th Amendment have already resigned. Impeachment and conviction is better assuming one of the stipulated punishments is a bar on holding federal office (which almost certainly will be in there).

This brings up the legal/procedural question I've had since this started going down. If a cabinet secretary resigns, does someone become acting secretary and have a vote in the 25th process? Or is that just one less vote to be counted?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Biggs, Gosar, and Brooks.

 

[DaveXA]

Biggs, Gosar, and Brooks.

He named them?

 

[DaveXA]

Biggs, Gosar, and Brooks.

Well, Biggs is actually speaking from the House floor as we speak. So...idk.

 

[Eeyore]

Well, Biggs is actually speaking from the House floor as we speak. So...idk.

I just turned it off. It's infuriating

 

[DaveXA]

I just turned it off. It's infuriating

Hell yeah, I don't know how they don't fight each other right now. Some of the stuff being spewed is just nuts.

That said, I'm not sure what the point of this is. Pence already sent a letter making his position clear. Idk why they don't table this and just move on to impeachment. The 25th ain't happening.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Article on some of the rioters
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A whole taxonomy of Trumpist right-wing manhood could be developed from the Internet investigations, wanted posters and arrest affidavits now trickling out in the wake of last week’s riot at the Capitol.

En masse, the photos show a conglomeration of weird beards, ammo and camo, and a very specific brand of looks-like-somebody-got-a-Bass-Pro-gift-card-for-Christmas raging White masculinity.

But you also have the breakout alleged criminals representing their own splintering subcategories: QAnon Shaman. Hogan’s Heroes. Ski Dad, i.e. an overly tan man who looked like he should be teaching the bunny hill class but instead appeared to be stealing a lectern.

Another man wearing a sweatshirt reading — God help us, find out what company makes this and shut it down — “Camp Auschwitz.”

And, Zip Tie Guy......

They had come vowing to overturn the election, but at the first hint they might experience consequences for their actions, they assumed the posture of tourists who had accidentally gotten in line for Insurrection Mountain at the Magic Kingdom.......

The Capitol riot was the apotheosis of Trumpism: There was just enough boobish amateurism and eye-rolling absurdity on the surface to give cover to those tempted to dismiss a deadly serious attack on the American system as some version of “boys will be boys.”

Was this a mob of domestic terrorists or a confederacy of clowns? Or worse, was it both: a mob doing unconscionable things that included men who somehow viewed the whole day as a field trip?

Militant bloodlust, commando cosplay, bright-eyed tourism and family bonding, all wrapped up together in what they decided was a fine way to spend a Wednesday afternoon........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/capitol-riot-zip-tie-guy-men-trump-masculinity/2021/01/12/486a516e-5447-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

 

[MT15]

A 50 something man from Alpharetta, GA has committed suicide after being arrested for taking part in the riot in Washington. He had a fairly high ranking position at a local bank, IIRC. He must have been horrified to find out he wasn’t doing his patriotic duty as he was promised by Trump.

Trump, the right wing media who pushed Trump’s lies, and the R politicians who enabled those lies all had a hand in this death, just like the two Capitol police officers.

 

[RebSaint]

Sorry I don’t have anything smart to say besides “play stupid games, win stupid prizes.” It looks like some Republicans are jumping off the Trump Train. Hey, better late than never.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

He named them?