Will “mass deportation” actually happen (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Eeyore]

I hadn't seen this

Details emerge about ICE detention facility attack in Alvarado — but still many questions

Details are emerging about a incident outside ICE's Prairieland Detention Center in Alvarado. Officials call it an egregious and coordinated attack on law enforcement.

www.keranews.org

 

[SystemShock]

Your views don’t have anything to do with this case and this man. Yeah, our medical system is a mess. That doesn’t change the fact that this man is serving a purpose for some people. One they feel that they need in a stressful time. Just because you don’t need or want it doesn’t mean these other people shouldn’t have it either.

The U.S. already have enough issues from their own as it is, why would you want to import more proponents of a oppressive ideology?

This is one of those pearls of wisdom from the Koran, Surah 4:34 :
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one of them excel over the other, and because they spend out of their possessions. Thus righteous women are obedient and guard the rights of men in their absence under Allah's protection. As for women of whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, and remain apart from them in beds, and beat them. Then if they obey you, do not seek ways to harm them. Allah is Exalted, Great.

Why would you want an imam to spread this ideology in your backyard?

Here's some clarification about that passage from an imam, coincidentally from Egypt, :
A husband hitting his wife has rules. No breaking of bones and no damage of organs.

Even if the man thinks his property may get out of line, he has the divine right to beat the crap out of her... as long as no bones break and no organs are damaged (Allah forbid she can't have children, then she's useless).

At least, Christians try to separate themselves from the Old Testament, and what's now considered immoral in the New Testament; our society acknowledges that spousal abuse is wrong, even punished by the law. In their ideology, it's a divine right; and women? They don't speak out, and you can't see the bruises under the burkas.

I don't care how good this man seems to be. Imams spread a religion of hate. If that's what you want in your backyard, I can't stop you. If you want to import more people who will vote against your progressive ideologies like abortion, LGBTQ+, women's rights, education, etc. when they get the chance, again, I can't stop you. But if I can do something about it, I will; at the very least I'll be vocal about it.

This past election and the consequences the country is experiencing should've been enough evidence of what happens when the population of people who have regressive ideas continues to grow, and a lot of that population is fresh from other countries. But none of the liberals would admit it.

Sure, there's plenty of that from the homegrowns, but what would you want more of it from other countries?

 

[longtime lurker]

What MAGA is turning the USA into…..

Remember this come the mid terms and voting for a decent person to lead our Country…

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/OX3TawEgaK

 

[SystemShock]

That's such a bigoted mindset that indicates you don't personally know many people who are Muslim.

I personally have known and currently know several people who are Muslim. They are all peaceful and loving people. Anybody can read hate into anyone or anything they want. Religions don't peddle hate; some people justify their hate with their religion, just like some people justify their hate with their atheism.

If you want to see a zealot who's peddling hate, then I suggest you look in a mirror.

I've seen one on TV!!!

Religions don't peddle hate

Ok, Ben. Spoken like someone who has not read the books, or apologizes from them. Or would you like me to post some of the Bible's and Koran's verses? I posted one above for MT5 from the Koran, if you care to scroll up, you can read it. Tell me how loving and peaceful that is.

just like some people justify their hate with their atheism.

HA! Given that stupid comment, you must be an apologist. No wonder.

 

[Dragon]

There are good and bad people everywhere — hopefully, more good than bad.

That holds true in politics and religion as well. Both spheres can harbor some of the most hateful and destructive forces. But just as importantly, they can also be home to some of the most selfless, compassionate, and generous individuals — people who would give you the shirt off their back without hesitation.

Don’t judge the whole by the actions of a few. Support those who strive to do good, and stand firmly against those who do harm.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I've seen one on TV!!!

Your hate, ignorance and petty childishness are showing in full view.

You know I said "I have personally known" and you know that "I have personally known" is not "seen one on TV." You think you look like you're flexing, but really you look weak, because what you said is weak and it was the best you could come up with to try to avoid discussing the truth of what I said.

I went to high school with 8 people who were Muslim and socially interacted with them regularly, and it was a Catholic high school. I had friends in college who were Muslim. I was in a local ad & press club with people who were Muslim. A good friend of mine dated a woman who was a Muslim. I've been to almost a dozen Sufi zikrs, Sufis are Muslim and a zikr is a group singing meditation praising Allah. I was treated with nothing but love and acceptance by them, even though they knew I don't subscribe to religion, so I wouldn't be subscribing to theirs.

If you got yourself outside of your ignorance and hate bubble, you could find out for yourself how many wonderful people are Muslim.

Spoken like someone who has not read the books, or apologizes from them.

Your arrogant ignorance is showing yet again. I have read large portions of a lot of religious texts for myself, including the Quran.

Or would you like me to post some of the Bible's and Koran's verses?

Anything can be cherry picked and taken out of context. That's exactly what almost every does when they try to "prove" something with a "quote" from a religious text. They cherry pick, they take out of context and on top of that, they have the arrogance to tell people that their interpretation is how every follower of the religion interprets it.

Quote whatever you want, but include what version of the religious text you're quoting, what page and paragraph the quote is on, the lineage of language translations of that religious text, the entire context behind what you're quoting and the different ways that different sects interpreted what you quoted.

Otherwise, all you would be doing is telling me what you think it means and proves. You're opinion on what it means has nothing to do with what it means to each individual who's Muslim and it has nothing to do with how each individual teacher of Islam teaches that it means. You thinking that all people who are Muslims are hateful, because all Islamic teachers teach hate, only proves your bigotry and ignorance. It does prove anything about how individual who is Muslim thinks and it doesn't nothing to prove how each individual teacher of Islam teaches Islam.

HA! Given that stupid comment, you must be an apologist. No wonder.

This is always how you respond when you know you can't logically or factually disputes something someone has said. You using atheism to justify your hate has been on full display for several years. The only one you can fool with your denial is yourself. The only thing stupid about my comment is that I was accurately commenting on stupidly irrational behavior.

Your flippantly dismissive comments don't make you look tough and smart. They make you look the opposite.

 

[Optimus Prime]

From his father’s strawberry farm in central California, Tomás Diaz noticed a border patrol vehicle driving toward a field of workers. Diaz, himself Mexican American and a US citizen, yelled in Spanish: “Run for your life! That’s immigration!” As the men scattered, the agents grabbed whom they could. In the chaos, six workers escaped, and Diaz was detained for interrogation. “Why did you yell at the Mexicans to run?” an officer pressed. “No reason at all,” Diaz calmly replied.

This did not happen yesterday, but in 1953. Driven by fears of border infiltration by communists and “criminal” and “diseased” migrants, the Immigration and National Service (the Department of Homeland Security’s predecessor) carried out “Operation Wetback” from 1954 to 1957.

Border patrol officers raided public spaces, workplaces and homes and formally deported about 400,000 Mexicans (hundreds of thousands more repatriated out of fear).

More than 70 years after Operation Wetback, the mass deportation campaign orchestrated by Trump, homeland security (DHS) adviser Stephen Miller and DHS secretary Kristi Noem is using Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) officers to conduct Orwellian raids.

Trump’s administration knows that targeting workers in the food chain is the easiest way to reach Miller’s quota of 3,000 arrests a day. Labor department data affirms that 42% of US farm workers lack proper documentation. Ice agents are rushing into fruit orchards, vegetable fields, dairy barns, processing plants and restaurant kitchens to arrest people on the spot.

The consequences of these raids will be profound in our food labor system and greater society. First and foremost, these raids are traumatizing people. Many arrestees are “disappeared”, their locations unknown by loved ones and lawyers.

Second, the raids will affect summer food chains and other industries throughout the year. The juicy watermelons and peaches, berry pies, barbecue, ice-cream and lobster rolls we are currently enjoying come from the labor of a heavily immigrant workforce.

Almost every bit of American food and drink passes through the hands of an immigrant, and the DHS is denying this reality while terrorizing food workers with brutal efficiency.

In the seafood industry, Latin American and Caribbean workers in fish-processing plants in New England and on the Chesapeake Bay and the Gulf Coast ensure cod, crawfish, crab, scallops and lobster get to our markets and restaurants.

An early Trump 2.0 raid targeted a seafood depot in Newark, New Jersey. Without warrants, agents demanded documentation from workers who looked Latino, and detained three immigrants and the warehouse manager, a Puerto Rican veteranwho was eventually released but distressed that his citizenship and military service meant nothing.

In New Bedford, Massachusetts (the nation’s highest-value fishing area), at least two dozen Guatemalan men have been taken. Latin American and Caribbean workers stepped into New England’s seafood industry at the turn of the century, a critical juncture when the children of Euro American fish workers rejected their occupational inheritance.

If these workers are deported in large numbers, seafood circulations will decline precipitously across the nation and globe.

Summer ice-cream is made possible by the milking labor of (mostly undocumented and male) Latino dairy workers.

In April, a raid occurred at a dairy farm in Vermont, a US state that would topple economically if not for milk’s production.

Sixty-eight per cent of the state’s milk (and 43% of New England’s milk) comes from farms reliant on immigrant workers.

Enjoyed meat at a Fourth of July or weekend barbecue? A whopping 71% of animal-processing workers in the US are immigrants from Latin America, Asia and Africa.

When Ice agents raided the Glenn Valley meat-processing plant in Omaha, Nebraska, and detained 76 workers, they took half of the plant’s workforce.

Though Omaha has been a home for Mexican meatpackers for more than a century, the local police and sheriff cooperated with Ice dragnets by blocking traffic around multiple production plants.

Raids on food workers in California (which provides a third of the vegetables and more than half of the nation’s fruit and nuts) have gone the most viral. Video captured a fieldworker being chased down in the fog, while berry and citrus workers were harassed across three counties.

Ice agents raided a grocery store; grabbed a tortilla truck driver; and arrested a female street vendor outside a Home Depot who held desperately onto a tree as bystanders filmed and yelled: “They’re kidnapping her!” It’s already happening, but food sellers in our informal economy will stop working in public in greater numbers.………

How US immigration raids hurt summer pleasures, from berries to barbecues

In the US, hardly a food is untouched by immigrant labor – and Ice raids will profoundly affect the food labor system

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Andrea Vélez, a 32-year-old marketing designer, was detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) on June 24 as she was going to work in downtown Los Angeles.

On June 12, Brian Gavidia, 29, was working at a trailer yard in Montebello, California, when he was assaulted and restrained by ICE officers. Just over a week earlier, Elzon Lemus, a 23-year-old electrician, was stopped, pulled from his car, and handcuffed on his way to work in Nassau, New York.

In addition to sharing the experience of being detained by immigration agents, the three have something in common that has raised the controversy over immigration raids to a new level: they are all U.S. citizens of Latino origin. ICE has no authority to detain them.

“Now that ICE is having to meet higher quotas for arbitrary arrests than ever before, we’ll see more and more cases like these,” Nareen Shah, director of Government Affairs for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), told EL PAÍS.

“The problem is that even when people claim to be U.S. citizens and can prove they are, we’ve still seen cases where they’re detained,” Shah said.

Under the Fourth Amendment, Americans are protected from random searches unless law enforcement has probable cause to believe they are involved in criminal activity. In the case of ICE, they cannot legally detain a citizen because their powers are regulated by immigration law, according to federal legislation.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which oversees ICE, has rejected the accusation that it is discriminating based on race or ethnicity in its operations.

“Any claim that law enforcement has targeted individuals based on their skin color is disgusting and categorically FALSE. These types of disgusting smears are designed to demonize and villainize our brave ICE law enforcement. This kind of garbage has led to a more than 400 percent increase in the assaults on ICE officers,” it said in a statement.

Just minutes after Andrea Vélez’s mother dropped her daughter off at her workplace in Los Angeles, an ICE agent picked her up and forced her into a car. The scene was captured on video footage that has spread like wildfire on social media. Vélez and her family believed it was a kidnapping.

Three days later, when she was released, Vélez explained her traumatic experience at a press conference. “I was going to work and everything happened so fast. It’s hard to process it in my mind. The agents didn’t identify themselves, and I was scared,” she said.

While detained, “I wondered why I was one of them. I didn’t know what was going to happen to me, where I was going to end up,” she said.……..

ICE agents also didn’t believe Brian Gavidia when he repeatedly assured them he was a U.S. citizen. On June 12, while working at a trailer yard in Montebello, California, he saw ICE agents arriving. “I’m an American, man,” he insisted to the agent who was pinning him against a fence. Incredulous, the agent asked him the name of the hospital where he was born, whose name Gavidia couldn’t remember. The incident was also captured on video.

“We’re not safe, guys, we’re not safe in America today,” Gavidia later stated.……

Latinos denounce ICE’s use of racial profiling to detain US citizens: ‘I am American’

Around half of the country’s Hispanic population worries they or someone close to them could be deported, compared to only 15% of whites

english.elpais.com

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Nursing home are also having staffing issues, because of Trump, his Republicans and ICE. Some voters in the "Baby Boomer" generation have screwed over themselves and everyone else in their generation. They helped elect Trump and the Republicans who are quickly terminating almost every assistance program that generation needs.

"Eight of Cateau’s workers are expected to be forced to leave after having their Temporary Protected Status, or TPS, revoked. TPS allows people already living in the U.S. to stay and work legally if their home countries are unsafe due to civil unrest or natural disasters and during the Biden administration, the designation was expanded to cover people from a dozen countries, including large numbers from Venezuela and Haiti."​

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"Nearly one in five civilian workers in the U.S. is foreign born, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, but as in construction, agriculture and manufacturing, immigrants are overrepresented in caregiving roles. More than a quarter of an estimated 4 million nursing assistants, home health aides, personal care aides and other so-called direct care workers are foreign born, according to PHI, a nonprofit focused on the caregiving workforce."​

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"The aging of the massive Baby Boom generation is poised to fuel even more demand for caregivers, both in institutional settings and in individuals’ homes. BLS projects more growth among home health and personal care aides than any other job, with some 820,000 new positions added by 2032."​

Nursing homes struggle with Trump's immigration crackdown

Nursing homes around the U.S. say they're feeling the effects of President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown.

apnews.com

 

[MT15]

None of this is ok. These are not the criminals they’ve been assuring us that immigrants are. They cannot find enough criminals, because not that many exist. So they are targeting anyone who looks Hispanic. And they have been lying in federal court about it. Bove isn’t fit to be a judge, in fact he should probably be disbarred.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

None of this is ok. These are not the criminals they’ve been assuring us that immigrants are. They cannot find enough criminals, because not that many exist. So they are targeting anyone who looks Hispanic. And they have been lying in federal court about it. Bove isn’t fit to be a judge, in fact he should probably be disbarred.

Not just disbarred, but behind bars.

Stories like this didn't reach the public under the Nazi's or "Big Brother" of Orwell's 1984. The Nazi's and Big Brother's total information control for thought control isn't possible in this day and age. Fortunately, Trump and his Republicans are too ignorant and arrogant to figure it out.

Don't forget how many voters turned on Trump, because of how badly he dealt with, or rather didn't deal with, COVID. Don't forget how they tried to stop the majority of us from doing the responsible thing for our collective good. Don't forget they made things harder and worse than they had to be, but then they ultimately failed.

They will ultimately fail again, but no doubt they are going to keep making things worse and harder than they have to be, right up until the point that everything caves in on them.

 

[MT15]

This doesn’t seem like a legal framework for detention to me.

 

[coldseat]

This doesn’t seem like a legal framework for detention to me.

It's weird how MAGA women only come in two varieties. Either the Mar-a-lago plastic surgery Barbie or the extremely frumpy Arkansas Barbie (named for Sarah Huckabee Sanders). There's no in between.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Mom and her four American-born children detained after visiting Canadian border

Jackie Merlos, her 9-year-old triplets and 7-year-old son held by border patrol for more than two weeks, family says

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

A wave of recent immigration roundups has cast a shadow of fear and anxiety over the agricultural town of Oxnard, California, a region known as the strawberry capital.

The heightened enforcement has left the farmworker community, including Mexican migrant Flor, grappling with profound stress.

Flor, who works picking strawberries, highlights the devastating toll these raids are taking on the children of farmworkers.

Many young people are experiencing depression and a constant dread that their parents could be detained and deported at any moment.

A single mother to three US citizen daughters, Flor holds a permit to work in the fields. Yet, even for her, the daily routine is fraught with apprehension.

She describes a palpable sense of relief each afternoon when she collects her children from school, knowing she has made it through another day.

The emotional burden on her family is immense, with Flor stating: "It hurts my soul that every time I leave the house they say, ‘Mommy, be careful because they can catch you and they can send you to Mexico and we will have to stay here without you'.

"You arrive home and the girls say, 'Ay Mommy, you arrived and immigration didn’t take you.' It is very sad to see that our children are worried".…..

Daughter’s heartbreaking message to Mexican mother over ICE raids

Farmers have warned that ICE raids could damage their businesses and threaten the US food supply

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

Last second stay on Afghan protected status. Trump is saying these people wouldn’t face any persecution if they are forcibly returned to Afghanistan. They are here because they worked with/for Americans and absolutely would be in danger if returned.

US appeals court temporarily upholds protected status for Afghans — Reuters

A U.S. appeals court has blocked for now a bid by President Donald Trump's administration to strip temporary protected status from thousands of Afghans in the United States, court documents showed, allowing them more time to argue the case.

apple.news

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I think it's important to be precise in our understanding of who Trump, his Republicans and their ICE enforcers are targeting right now, because it's connected to some of Europe's and our darkest history.

They are not targeting all people with brown skin. Many people who have brown skin who aren't here "legally" are intentionally not being targeted at this time, like people from Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia.

They are specifically targeting people who are the descendants of the people who lived on the North and South American continents before Europeans arrived here. They are currently targeting the current descendants who were born in Mexico to Argentina & Chile and the non-US territories of the Caribbean.

I think that the next planned group to go after is the Native Americans who were born within US borders. There have already been some warning signs that Trump wants to take their sovereign lands away from them. If he does go that way, then I believe they will start doing to Native Americans what they are doing to the other descendants of the indigenous Americans.

If you listen to the rhetoric about restoring the descendants of Western Civilization to their rightful positions of privilege, power, and superiority in the US, then you'll hear a rebranding of Manifest Destiny. Manifest Destiny was our justification for westward expansion and conquering in the 1800's. The belief was that we had a divine right to take all of America for ourselves and that divine right made it okay to mass murder and wage war against the people who were already living on those lands.

I also think that the reason ICE is abducting people that are American citizens is because it's not about being an American citizen for Trump, his Republicans and MAGA. I think for them it's about being the "right or wrong" kind of American. I think this scene from Civil War really hits the nail on the head. I recommend watching it. It starts after the first person is shot and ends before the second person is shot. The clip is still brutal and I believe it's an accurate portrayal of Trump, his Republicans and his MAGA.