Will “mass deportation” actually happen (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[wardorican]

Word?


So am I. What does that have to do with anything?

How to get a REAL ID and use it for travel | USAGov

Check to see if your driver’s license or state ID is REAL ID-compliant. Learn why and how to upgrade to a REAL ID for air travel and more.

www.usa.gov

• Proof of identity - To prove your identity, you can bring a U.S. birth certificate, U.S. passport, or Permanent Resident Card (Green Card) if you are a non-U.S. citizen.

Where do you see temporary status?


Why do you think it doesn't count?


Word?

I think you're being purposefully obtuse. A real ID does not prove you are a citizen. Again, was never talking about legal residents, which as has been stated repeatedly, has been getting revoked when it is not permanent naturalization.

Visas, asylum status, etc are all acceptable forms, see link below.

https://apps.azdot.gov/files/mvd/mvd-forms-lib/40-5144.pdf

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

So, a guy I read says he has sources within DHS who tell him that the masked agents are not actual ICE but are hastily deputized correction officers. This is why they cannot afford to be identified-because they have zero training or experience with what they are doing and they are not qualified to do it. They may not even be federal employees - my speculation - because I think a lot of that work is now staffed by third party vendors.

I'll give credit to the ones in the video at the car wash that they level headed enough to realize that they were put in a position they shouldn't be in and chose to leave without violence. I hope more people stand up to them non-violently like the women did and I hope more of the masked men choose to walk away like those men did.

The Gestapo and The Hitler Youth never walked away, so I'm more encouraged that we as a society will oust tyrant Trump and his tyrannical supporters from power instead of ceded complete power to them like German society ceded to the Nazi's.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Florida has begun building a new detention center for undocumented migrants on a former airfield deep in the Everglades that has been nicknamed “Alligator Alcatraz.”

The facility is scheduled to open in July, consisting mainly of tents, and is estimated to cost $450 million per year to operate, according to The New York Times. However, the state will receive some funding support from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), according to Department of Homeland Securityspokesperson Trisha McLaughlin.

Florida Attorney General James Uthmeier, an ally of President Donald Trump, has boasted in a social media video that the center will require minimal additional security due to its remote, swampland location, which is home to dangerous wildlife, including alligators and pythons.

“Nowhere to go, nowhere to hide,” he declared.……..

Florida building ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ for undocumented migrants in Everglades

Facility under construction on former airfield and will cost $450m per year to run

www.independent.co.uk

@coldseat and @Dragon already covered the specifics, but it can't be repeated enough that being imprisoned in tents in the Everglades in summer is a cruel and torturous death sentence. Make no mistake about it. And that's assuming the area isn't hit by any severe weather other than heat.

Those who mocked and ridiculed those of us who warned about death camps can all go stuff themselves, no respect deserved for any of them.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I see a link saying "Visit the REAL ID website for more details and frequently asked questions." Which goes here - https://www.tsa.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs .

And there I see plenty of relevant information supporting @wardorican's statement.

They're not going to let those facts get in the way of doubling down on their factual inaccuracies.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

This is exactly why cities and states do not cooperate with ICE. Because women and other victims of violent crime who are undocumented will never go to the police if they know they will end up in an ICE detention facility. Which gives the truly bad people freedom to abuse and exploit them with zero consequences. Thus the :sanctuary city: which the right likes to lie about and say it’s a bad thing.

I just want to add that a lot of these women are being abused by white American men who intentionally exploit knowing they are afraid to seek help for the reasons you stated. Feature or bug? I lean very heavily to feature. We are still a very colonial/plantation society. It's deeply entrenched in our zeitgeist and our caste system.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Tyrant Trump is now trying to get the US Justice department official, who spearheaded the Justice department's defiance of court orders against deportations, appointed as a federal judge.

Some people's appearance screams bad intentions. This guy is one in my opinion. I know looks can be deceiving, but this guy's documented behavior matches his appearance, much like Stephen Miller.

Trump judicial nominee pressured DOJ to defy court on deportations, whistleblower says

A top U.S. Justice Department official tapped by President Donald Trump to serve as an appellate judge profanely pressured department attorneys to defy court orders to carry out mass deportations of people living in the U.S. illegally, according to a whistleblower complaint seen by Reuters on...

www.reuters.com

 

[superchuck500]

 

[SystemShock]

I think you're being purposefully obtuse. A real ID does not prove you are a citizen.

Again, why can't it be used as proof of citizenship, given that the requirements to get one include presenting a U.S. passport or a birth certificate?

Again, was never talking about legal residents,

Yeah, I got that. I mentioned resident aliens because a resident alien card can also be presented to get a RealID, as a clarification.

Now, just to be clear, because it seems you think that what I'm saying is that one just needs to flash a RealID and everyone will accept one's a U.S. citizen and move on, and that is absolutely not the case: my expectation is that the authority to which I present any document will either take it at face value or reasonably attempt to verify it. I don't know why I need to explain this, but like I already said, any ID or document you present to any authority at any level can be questioned and verified by said authority...

It is not different from presenting a drivers' license (which is proof you are licensed to drive) to a police officer during a traffic stop: the officer will still go back and check if the license is valid (among other things); the officer is not going to know if it is suspended, or even if it is 100% real, just by looking at it.

Birth certificates are proof of where you were born, but in most cases you still need something else to validate them, since birth certificates don't have a current picture of you.

And like I already said, even passports, which are proofs of nationality, are questioned routinely at border crossings and airports. You just don't flash a passport and you go through customs, right? It has to be verified: it's scanned, you face is scanned; if the kiosk doesn't like you for whatever reason (if there is a kiosk, otherwise) you go make the line, the agent scans your passport, checks the picture matches you face, asks you questions... and if still the agent doesn't like you, then you are taken to an office while your passport gets the microscope treatment.

IN CONCLUSION:
.. and I don't get why I had to go through all of that, a RealID can be used as proof of one's claim of being a U.S. citizen, as an authority can verify what documents you presented to get one. And even those documents can be put into question as well.

And yes, my expectation is that the authority to which I present any document will either take it at face value or reasonably attempt to verify it, being the U.S., México, or most places around the world.

And I get that I.C.E. is not being reasonable at all; from what I heard, they have taken people into custody and shipped them to detention centers, even with proper and valid ID of any type.

And I know what the 4th amendment says; but the 4th amendment is not going to bail me out in a dark alley when no one's looking. The 4th will sound great in court, but I got to get to court first.

 

[Booker]

Such a ridiculous waste of taxpayer money.

 

[coldseat]

Such a ridiculous waste of taxpayer money.

Not only that, but DHS is massively exceeding its budget and Trump’s administration is illegally confescating money from all throughout the government that was appropriated by Congress for other programs to run its illegal gestapo.

That's why I believe the next Democratic president needs to run on splitting up DHS (it's amassed too much power), ending ICE and replacing it with something else. All of the people running it now need to go for good, and, if there's any justice in this world, be charged for their illegal acts.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

And yes, my expectation is that the authority to which I present any document will either take it at face value or reasonably attempt to verify it, being the U.S., México, or most places around the world.

And I get that I.C.E. is not being reasonable at all; from what I heard, they have taken people into custody and shipped them to detention centers, even with proper and valid ID of any type.

Everything you said is reasonable, but the above is the reality right now. Right now, carrying ID does not protect anyone from getting abducted, because ICE and whoever the other goons are don't give a shirt about ID. We've got to speak out and fight against those unconstitutional and immoral actions to make them end. Carrying ID's does not make what is happening right now stop and it doesn't protect anyone right now.

 

[MT15]

Again, why can't it be used as proof of citizenship, given that the requirements to get one include presenting a U.S. passport or a birth certificate?



Yeah, I got that. I mentioned resident aliens because a resident alien card can also be presented to get a RealID, as a clarification.

Now, just to be clear, because it seems you think that what I'm saying is that one just needs to flash a RealID and everyone will accept one's a U.S. citizen and move on, and that is absolutely not the case: my expectation is that the authority to which I present any document will either take it at face value or reasonably attempt to verify it. I don't know why I need to explain this, but like I already said, any ID or document you present to any authority at any level can be questioned and verified by said authority...

It is not different from presenting a drivers' license (which is proof you are licensed to drive) to a police officer during a traffic stop: the officer will still go back and check if the license is valid (among other things); the officer is not going to know if it is suspended, or even if it is 100% real, just by looking at it.

Birth certificates are proof of where you were born, but in most cases you still need something else to validate them, since birth certificates don't have a current picture of you.

And like I already said, even passports, which are proofs of nationality, are questioned routinely at border crossings and airports. You just don't flash a passport and you go through customs, right? It has to be verified: it's scanned, you face is scanned; if the kiosk doesn't like you for whatever reason (if there is a kiosk, otherwise) you go make the line, the agent scans your passport, checks the picture matches you face, asks you questions... and if still the agent doesn't like you, then you are taken to an office while your passport gets the microscope treatment.

IN CONCLUSION:
.. and I don't get why I had to go through all of that, a RealID can be used as proof of one's claim of being a U.S. citizen, as an authority can verify what documents you presented to get one. And even those documents can be put into question as well.

And yes, my expectation is that the authority to which I present any document will either take it at face value or reasonably attempt to verify it, being the U.S., México, or most places around the world.

And I get that I.C.E. is not being reasonable at all; from what I heard, they have taken people into custody and shipped them to detention centers, even with proper and valid ID of any type.

And I know what the 4th amendment says; but the 4th amendment is not going to bail me out in a dark alley when no one's looking. The 4th will sound great in court, but I got to get to court first.

It doesn’t need to be a US birth certificate, as I understand it. You would have needed to prove identity and legal residency but the birth certificate doesn’t prove you are a citizen. I don’t see how it can do anything except prove your identity and that you were a legal resident at the time you got the Real ID.

What am I missing here?

 

[Dragon]

It’s a stark indictment of the system: detainees are coerced into labor, washing dishes and cleaning toilets for just $1 per day, under threat of solitary if they refuse. Meanwhile, a single 15‑minute phone call to a loved one can cost $4–8, plus fees—forcing people to choose between calling home and buying essentials or legal aid.

Behind this cruelty are massive corporate profits: in 2024, GEO Group pulled in $2.424 billion in revenue (with a net income of nearly $32 million), and CoreCivic made 1.981 billion . ICE also obligated at least $747 million to GEO alone last year, with hundreds of millions more in early 2025 . These companies push forced labor and gouging phone rates because detainee suffering fills their bottom line—while contractors and local authorities profit from misery, isolation, and systemic coercion. This isn’t detention—it’s exploitation with government approval.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Feature or bug? I lean very heavily to feature. We are still a very colonial/plantation society. It's deeply entrenched in our zeitgeist and our caste system.

And that’s why the administration is trying so hard to paint everyone who’s being rounded up as a hardened murderous criminal

Even if this Everglades camp is every bit as deadly and horrible as it could be the level of outrage may not be what it should be

“Bad hombres deserve bad things to happen to them”

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

It’s a stark indictment of the system: detainees are coerced into labor, washing dishes and cleaning toilets for just $1 per day, under threat of solitary if they refuse. Meanwhile, a single 15‑minute phone call to a loved one can cost $4–8, plus fees—forcing people to choose between calling home and buying essentials or legal aid.

Behind this cruelty are massive corporate profits: in 2024, GEO Group pulled in $2.424 billion in revenue (with a net income of nearly $32 million), and CoreCivic made 1.981 billion . ICE also obligated at least $747 million to GEO alone last year, with hundreds of millions more in early 2025 . These companies push forced labor and gouging phone rates because detainee suffering fills their bottom line—while contractors and local authorities profit from misery, isolation, and systemic coercion. This isn’t detention—it’s exploitation with government approval.

I was hesitant to post about the full truth of the Nazi concentration camps and the final solution, but since what you said parallels the full truth of the Nazi's I will talk about that full truth.

The final solution and the concentration camps were not fundamentally death camps. That's atrocious enough, but the full truth is even more atrocious, which is why it's not commonly spoken about. The concentration camps were fundamentally forced labor for profit camps and human harvesting camps. The camps were staffed by soldiers and/or civil servants, but private corporations basically owned and profited from them.

What's commonly known is that when the prisoners first got to the camps, they were shaved bald and their clothes were taken from them. What is not commonly known is that wasn't done just to dehumanize them. The primary reason it was done was for profit. Their hair was sold to European furriers. Their clothes were also sold for profit, just like all of their belongings were seized to personally keep or sell for profit. The harvesting for profit didn't end with their clothes and hair. Any metal dental fillings that the prisoners had were yanked out of their mouths, then the metal was recovered and sold or given to the metal industry for use. They treated them as literal human resources. It's one of the reason I detest the idea of "human resources."

It's commonly known that they were given numerical tattoos. What's not commonly know is that the Nazi's awarded a contract to an upstart American company known as IBM to create a tracking system for the prisoners. That contract was IBM's first big break and helped propel them to prominence. IBM came up with the tattoo idea with full knowledge of what was going on and how it would be used.

The original plan, and how the camps were originally run, is they would harvest everything profitable from the prisoners, then worked them to death for profit, and then mass cremate the dead as the most efficient way of disposing of them. It's never been confirmed, but there is a lot of compelling evidence that the Nazi's cremated them to use their ashes in cement and asphalt. It is documented that when Dachau was liberated, a prisoner showed soldiers cement like discs that were confirmed to have human bone ash in them.

When the Allied forces got a foothold in Europe, the Nazi's started mass murdering people in the concentration camps and incinerating them to try to cover up the full extent of their atrocities. That's why we think of them as primarily mass murder camps.

It's also important to note that a significant number of major American corporations had profitable financial arrangements with the Nazi's while knowing the extent of what Nazi's were doing. It's no surprise, because the Nazi party was just a tool created for the profit of Germany's most prominent and dominate industrialists and corporations.

A few more notes, early on the Nazi's consulted extensively with the Americans who created and implemented the Jim Crow laws of the south. The Nazi's sought their expertise in creating policies that would get a majority of society to support the dehumanization, exploitation and heinous abuse of a minority of the population. As for the American corporations that profited from the Nazi's, Senator Prescott Bush was heavily involved in a lot of those business arrangements. Prescott was George H W's father and George W's grandfather. The Nazi's were influenced by American's before American's were influenced by Nazi's. Tyrant Trump and his supporters are following in their footsteps.

This is has all been a long way to get to my main point. Fascism, and all other forms of tyranny, likes to hide behind political, social and/or religious ideology, but at the very core the true motivation has always been and will always be profit for a privileged few. What @Dragon has pointed out is alarming and deplorable, but it is tragically not surprising and to be expected. There's a lot more profiting from the tyranny of Trump and his supporters than we are aware of. Profiting from cruelty is their primary objective.

The biggest threat to us is not tyrant Trump. The biggest threat to us are the new barons of the new digital age. Musk, Zuckerberg, Theil, Bezos and their ilk are the biggest threats to our lives and our freedom. Trump had no chance of getting reelected without their backing and assistance. There's a reason they helped Trump and not Harris. They will be here much longer than Trump.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

And that’s why the administration is trying so hard to paint everyone who’s being rounded up as a hardened murderous criminal

Even if this Everglades camp is every bit as deadly and horrible as it could be the level of outrage may not be what it should be

“Bad hombres deserve bad things to happen to them”

I agree and am grateful for you speaking out.

 

[Dragon]

I did a bit of research on the legality of the actions of the current US administration - Purely based on from an international laws and treaties. This is what I found. (Bolding is mine). I may have overlooked something but I hope some one will correct me if I got something wrong. I do know the Trump administration don't give a damn about laws or treaties but some of these crimes could eventually end up in The Haag.


The US is currently in violation of international treaties that they have signed on to and pledged to uphold:
By targeting individuals it labels as "immigrants with no legal status." This sweeping category has come to include not only undocumented residents but also asylum seekers, stateless persons, and in a growing number of cases, people with no ties whatsoever to the countries they are deported to. Alarmingly, some of these individuals are being sent to countries such as Sudan or into detention centers in Latin America, despite not holding citizenship there, never having lived there, and, in some cases, having no ancestral or cultural connection to those regions at all.

These deportations raise severe legal and moral concerns, particularly in light of the international human rights treaties the United States is bound by. Most prominently, Article 33 of the 1951 Refugee Convention (as adopted via the 1967 Protocol, to which the U.S. is a party) explicitly forbids the expulsion or return (refoulement) of a refugee to a country where their life or freedom would be threatened. Additionally, Article 3 of the Convention Against Torture (CAT), also ratified by the United States, prohibits deportation to any country where there is a substantial risk of torture or inhumane treatment.
These treaties are not optional; they are binding international obligations. Yet, the U.S. continues to engage in deportation practices that appear to violate the letter and spirit of these conventions. In cases where detainees are removed to countries where they have no legal status, citizenship, or connection, and face uncertain or hostile conditions upon arrival, the U.S. government risks creating de facto stateless individuals vulnerable to persecution, imprisonment, or disappearance.

It is essential to ask: what mechanisms exist to track the fate of these deportees? Who is ensuring their safety and legal recognition in the destination countries? And if no such mechanisms exist, how can the U.S. claim to be acting within the bounds of international law?

The answer, increasingly, is that it cannot.

 

[Dragon]

I was hesitant to post about the full truth of the Nazi concentration camps and the final solution, but since what you said parallels the full truth of the Nazi's I will talk about that full truth.

The final solution and the concentration camps were not fundamentally death camps. That's atrocious enough, but the full truth is even more atrocious, which is why it's not commonly spoken about. The concentration camps were fundamentally forced labor for profit camps and human harvesting camps. The camps were staffed by soldiers and/or civil servants, but private corporations basically owned and profited from them.

What's commonly known is that when the prisoners first got to the camps, they were shaved bald and their clothes were taken from them. What is not commonly known is that wasn't done just to dehumanize them. The primary reason it was done was for profit. Their hair was sold to European furriers. Their clothes were also sold for profit, just like all of their belongings were seized to personally keep or sell for profit. The harvesting for profit didn't end with their clothes and hair. Any metal dental fillings that the prisoners had were yanked out of their mouths, then the metal was recovered and sold or given to the metal industry for use. They treated them as literal human resources. It's one of the reason I detest the idea of "human resources."

It's commonly known that they were given numerical tattoos. What's not commonly know is that the Nazi's awarded a contract to an upstart American company known as IBM to create a tracking system for the prisoners. That contract was IBM's first big break and helped propel them to prominence. IBM came up with the tattoo idea with full knowledge of what was going on and how it would be used.

The original plan, and how the camps were originally run, is they would harvest everything profitable from the prisoners, then worked them to death for profit, and then mass cremate the dead as the most efficient way of disposing of them. It's never been confirmed, but there is a lot of compelling evidence that the Nazi's cremated them to use their ashes in cement and asphalt. It is documented that when Dachau was liberated, a prisoner showed soldiers cement like discs that were confirmed to have human bone ash in them.

When the Allied forces got a foothold in Europe, the Nazi's started mass murdering people in the concentration camps and incinerating them to try to cover up the full extent of their atrocities. That's why we think of them as primarily mass murder camps.

It's also important to note that a significant number of major American corporations had profitable financial arrangements with the Nazi's while knowing the extent of what Nazi's were doing. It's no surprise, because the Nazi party was just a tool created for the profit of Germany's most prominent and dominate industrialists and corporations.

A few more notes, early on the Nazi's consulted extensively with the Americans who created and implemented the Jim Crow laws of the south. The Nazi's sought their expertise in creating policies that would get a majority of society to support the dehumanization, exploitation and heinous abuse of a minority of the population. As for the American corporations that profited from the Nazi's, Senator Prescott Bush was heavily involved in a lot of those business arrangements. Prescott was George H W's father and George W's grandfather. The Nazi's were influenced by American's before American's were influenced by Nazi's. Tyrant Trump and his supporters are following in their footsteps.

This is has all been a long way to get to my main point. Fascism, and all other forms of tyranny, likes to hide behind political, social and/or religious ideology, but at the very core the true motivation has always been and will always be profit for a privileged few. What @Dragon has pointed out is alarming and deplorable, but it is tragically not surprising and to be expected. There's a lot more profiting from the tyranny of Trump and his supporters than we are aware of. Profiting from cruelty is their primary objective.

The biggest threat to us is not tyrant Trump. The biggest threat to us are the new barons of the new digital age. Musk, Zuckerberg, Theil, Bezos and their ilk are the biggest threats to our lives and our freedom. Trump had no chance of getting reelected without their backing and assistance. There's a reason they helped Trump and not Harris. They will be here much longer than Trump.

I know more than a little about Nazi camps—my maternal grandfather spent two years in one for daring to fight Hitler with his pen. So when I see what’s happening today, I recognize the warning signs. And yes, I agree—the real long-term threat isn’t Trump himself. He’s vile and reckless, but ultimately just the front man. The real danger lies with the oligarchs and tech billionaires quietly shaping the future to serve their own power. The deportations, horrific as they are, function as distractions—cruel spectacles meant to keep us enraged and divided while the true architects of oppression work behind the curtain.