Will “mass deportation” actually happen (10 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

You should stick to what you know and stop telling other people what they think. You blow at it. Further it is dishonest.

I am sticking to what I know. I never told you what you think. I told you what I think based on what you say and how you act.

And just like I said you would, here's you making more "you're ignorant" and "you're a liar" remarks. It's not the flex that you seem to think it is.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

So México is better now?

Not in my opinion.

We MexiCANs and you 'MuriCAN'Ts?

Feel better now?

There are a million things that "some people" can't do for one reason or another, but that should not be the reason why something should not be implemented for the benefit of the majority.

The majority doesn't benefit from being required to carry papers. History has proven that time and time again.

What are these several reasons people in the U.S. can't easily get an ID that is accepted as proof of citizenship.

I and others have already stated some of the reasons. If you really want to know and really don't know, then just reread this thread starting from a day ago.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Stop defending bad behavior.

That's really rich coming from you. The hypocrisy and duplicity are palpable.

 

[TampaJoe]

I am sticking to what I know. I never told you what you think. I told you what I think based on what you say and how you act.

And just like I said you would, here's you making more "you're ignorant" and "you're a liar" remarks. It's not the flex that you seem to think it is.

Sure you did. All anyone needs to do is read. You assigned an extreme position to me. “Let the record show Tampa supports”. I never said that. That is all you. And now you are spinning like hell to deny what is plainly written. It isn’t what you actually know. It is what you think you know. What you presume you know. It certainly isn’t what I said.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Sure you did. All anyone needs to do is read. You assigned an extreme position to me. “Let the record show Tampa supports”. I never said that. That is all you. And now you are spinning like hell to deny what is plainly written. It isn’t what you actually know. It is what you think you know. What you presume you know. It certainly isn’t what I said.

I mean... that's literally what he said. It's his position based on available evidence.

 

[TampaJoe]

I mean... that's literally what he said. It's his position based on available evidence.

So anyone can say, assign or attribute any positions to another member no matter how extreme and claim it is based on “available evidence”. I never took the positions he attributed to me. He made it up. Now you can call it what you want and defend it all you want, but it is nothing more than a lie.

I don’t do it to you and I don’t do it to him. It is dishonest.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

That is a distinction without a difference. When you start a post with “Let the record show Tampa supports” something I never supported he is putting words in my mouth. That is misrepresenting my point of view. That is lying. Stop defending bad behavior. I dont make up crap like that about you or other posters. I don’t intentionally make representations that you support obviously extreme positions. Why? It is dishonest. It IS putting words in someone else’s mouth. It is a lie.

It is exactly why I do nor do stupid “yes or no” questions. I explain my answers and qualify my answers. Otherwise folks will twist and misrepresent my words to mean what they want. Why do you defend that?

You use strawman arguments, you shift the goalposts, and you engage in all manner of games. Nobody here cares if you answer a yes-or-no question with details. The problem is that you never actually use the words yes or no. You do your best not to give straight answers.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So anyone can say, assign or attribute any positions to another member no matter how extreme and claim it is based on “available evidence”. I never took the positions he attributed to me. He made it up. Now you can call it what you want and defend it all you want, but it is nothing more than a lie.

He said that you come across that way. That's an opinion, not a statement of fact. An opinion, by the way, that he supported with evidence.

I don’t do it to you and I don’t do it to him. It is dishonest.

I thought you were TampaJoe. Turns out you are actually BlackPot.

 

[Optimus Prime]

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — Marine Corps veteran Adrian Clouatre doesn't know how to tell his children where their mother went after U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers detained her last month.

When his nearly 2-year-old son Noah asks for his mother before bed, Clouatre just tells him, “Mama will be back soon.” When his 3-month-old, breastfeeding daughter Lyn is hungry, he gives her a bottle of baby formula instead. He’s worried how his newborn will bond with her mother absent skin-to-skin contact.

His wife, Paola, is one of tens of thousands of people in custody and facing deportation as the Trump administration pushes for immigration officers to arrest 3,000 people a day.

Even as Marine Corps recruiters promote enlistment as protection for families lacking legal status, directives for strict immigrant enforcement have cast away practices of deference previously afforded to military families, immigration law experts say. The federal agency tasked with helping military family members gain legal status now refers them for deportation, government memos show.

To visit his wife, Adrian Clouatre has to make an eight-hour round trip from their home in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to a rural ICE detention center in Monroe. Clouatre, who qualifies as a service-disabled veteran, goes every chance he can get.

Paola Clouatre, a 25-year-old Mexican national whose mother brought her into the country seeking asylum more than a decade ago, met Adrian Clouatre, 26, at a southern California nightclub during the final months of his five years of military service in 2022. Within a year, they had tattooed each other's names on their arms.

After they married in 2024, Paola Clouatre sought a green card to legally live and work in the U.S. Adrian Clouatre said he is “not a very political person” but believes his wife deserved to live legally in the U.S.

“I’m all for ‘get the criminals out of the country,’ right?" he said. "But the people that are here working hard, especially the ones married to Americans — I mean, that’s always been a way to secure a green card.”

The process to apply for Paola Clouatre's green card went smoothly at first, but eventually she learned ICE had issued an order for her deportation in 2018 after her mother failed to appear at an immigration hearing.

Clouatre and her mother had been estranged for years — Clouatre cycled out of homeless shelters as a teenager — and up until a couple of months ago, Clouatre had “no idea” about her mother's missed hearing or the deportation order, her husband said.

Adrian Clouatre recalled that a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services staffer asked about the deportation order during a May 27 appointment as part of her green card application. After Paola Clouatre explained that she was trying to reopen her case, the staffer asked her and her husband to wait in the lobby for paperwork regarding a follow-up appointment, which her husband said he believed was a “ploy.”

Soon, officers arrived and handcuffed Paola Clouatre, who handed her wedding ring to her husband for safekeeping.

Adrian Clouatre, eyes welling with tears, said he and his wife had tried to “do the right thing” and that he felt ICE officers should have more discretion over arrests, though he understood they were trying to do their jobs.

“It’s just a hell of a way to treat a veteran,” said Carey Holliday, a former immigration judge who is now representing the couple. “You take their wives and send them back to Mexico?”

The Clouatres filed a motion for a California-based immigration judge to reopen the case on Paola's deportation order and are waiting to hear back, Holliday said................

ICE detains Marine Corps veteran's wife who was still breastfeeding their baby

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers detained the wife of a Marine Corps veteran in Louisiana during a routine immigration appointment in New Orleans.

apnews.com

 

[Eeyore]

Hopefully, this guy's kids find out who the gravy seals are. (Nazis beat up the father of three Marines.)

 

[TampaJoe]

He said that you come across that way. That's an opinion, not a statement of fact. An opinion, by the way, that he supported with evidence.



I thought you were TampaJoe. Turns out you are actually BlackPot.

Don’t know or care who that is.

In my opinion, he was flat out lying. I never took those positions. He had no evidence to that fact. He and you can believe and makeup anything you choose. But when you attribute extreme positions to someone they haven’t taken in order to make points in a debate, you are lying. And if you need to lie to make your point, you have no point.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Sure you did. All anyone needs to do is read. You assigned an extreme position to me. “Let the record show Tampa supports”. I never said that. That is all you. And now you are spinning like hell to deny what is plainly written. It isn’t what you actually know. It is what you think you know. What you presume you know. It certainly isn’t what I said.

I've said from the beginning what I think of you and my impression of you based on the only thing I know about you which is what you say and do here. Instead of specifically saying how you don't support what ICE is doing, you have specifically said how you support, "are okay with," almost everything I said you support.

Just so people don't have to go back and find it, this is exactly what I said @TampaJoe. I didn't even correct my obvious grammar error.

So let the record show that @TampaJoe supports masked gunmen abducting people and sticking them in detention centers without letting anyone know were they are or letting them contact anyone or have due process of any kind.

He keeps making excuses to justify theses actions so he clearly supports. He's behaving just like the Germans who made excuses for the actions of the Nazis. I'm not saying he's a Nazi, I'm just saying he's making excuses for Trump's tyranny just like the Germans who made excuses for the Nazi's tyranny.

Let's make this very plain and simple:

• masked gunmen abducting people - you said you are okay with that
• sticking them in detention centers without letting anyone know where they are - you said that it was the detained person's responsibility to notify people, though you did say they should confirm they have someone when asked.
• letting them contact anyone - you said "I haven’t heard the other side of the argument from the government"
• or have due process of any kind - you basically said that if they've had due process before being abducted, then you think they may not be entitled to any more due process.

That all sounds like support and deferment to tyrant Trump and ICE to me. You seem to be okay with what they are doing. Being okay with something is passive support in my opinion.

Let's talk about what you keep talking about in a clear and forthright manner. Let's start with your "just carry ID" mantra. You are making the mistake of assuming that Trump and ICE are operating in good faith and honestly. They are not. There's an overwhelming amount of credible evidence that tyrant Trump and his supporters are operating in bad faith, bad behavior and with bad intentions.

They said they are just targeting criminals. That's a lie. They are targeting people based solely on the color of their skin. Ask the US Marshall about it if you don't believe me. The vast majority of the people they have confirmed to have abducted have no criminal record. Trump and his supporters lie, and then they lie again, and then they lie some more.

There have been more cases of people being abducted after being targeted even when they have ID, than there have been of cases were people with proper ID were not abducted after being targeted. The ID's don't matter to ICE, because they are not operating in good faith. They are acting in bad faith and bad behavior. No matter how much you try to excuse it.

Let's look at your second cover story, "the courts." How is that going, TampaJoe? Tyrant Trump and his supporters defied a court order to turn a plane around. Tyrant Trump and his supporters defied for months a court order to return an illegally deported person back to the US. Tyrant Trump and his supporters defied for months a court order to release an illegally arrested student just because he exercised his free speech right of protest, and he wasn't even protesting against the US government.

What do all of those cases have in common? They were all very high profile and were fought by people who had the resources to fight tyrant Trump in court. The vast majority of people who are being abducted and denied due process don't have anyone with the resources to fight for them in court, so "the courts" are not a practical or legitimate option or solution for them.

Anyone who supports tyrant Trump's and ICE's actions on this does not support law and order, they support tyranny plane and simple. Making excuses for tyrant Trump and ICE is the equivalent of "giving aid and comfort" which is support. Full stop.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

So anyone can say, assign or attribute any positions to another member...

You don't hesitate to repeatedly say I'm a "liar," "ignorant," "folks like you," and "dishonest." Other than pointing out how predictably you do it, I haven't whined to anyone about it.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — Marine Corps veteran Adrian Clouatre doesn't know how to tell his children where their mother went after U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers detained her last month.

When his nearly 2-year-old son Noah asks for his mother before bed, Clouatre just tells him, “Mama will be back soon.” When his 3-month-old, breastfeeding daughter Lyn is hungry, he gives her a bottle of baby formula instead. He’s worried how his newborn will bond with her mother absent skin-to-skin contact.

His wife, Paola, is one of tens of thousands of people in custody and facing deportation as the Trump administration pushes for immigration officers to arrest 3,000 people a day.

Even as Marine Corps recruiters promote enlistment as protection for families lacking legal status, directives for strict immigrant enforcement have cast away practices of deference previously afforded to military families, immigration law experts say. The federal agency tasked with helping military family members gain legal status now refers them for deportation, government memos show.

To visit his wife, Adrian Clouatre has to make an eight-hour round trip from their home in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to a rural ICE detention center in Monroe. Clouatre, who qualifies as a service-disabled veteran, goes every chance he can get.

Paola Clouatre, a 25-year-old Mexican national whose mother brought her into the country seeking asylum more than a decade ago, met Adrian Clouatre, 26, at a southern California nightclub during the final months of his five years of military service in 2022. Within a year, they had tattooed each other's names on their arms.

After they married in 2024, Paola Clouatre sought a green card to legally live and work in the U.S. Adrian Clouatre said he is “not a very political person” but believes his wife deserved to live legally in the U.S.

“I’m all for ‘get the criminals out of the country,’ right?" he said. "But the people that are here working hard, especially the ones married to Americans — I mean, that’s always been a way to secure a green card.”

The process to apply for Paola Clouatre's green card went smoothly at first, but eventually she learned ICE had issued an order for her deportation in 2018 after her mother failed to appear at an immigration hearing.

Clouatre and her mother had been estranged for years — Clouatre cycled out of homeless shelters as a teenager — and up until a couple of months ago, Clouatre had “no idea” about her mother's missed hearing or the deportation order, her husband said.

Adrian Clouatre recalled that a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services staffer asked about the deportation order during a May 27 appointment as part of her green card application. After Paola Clouatre explained that she was trying to reopen her case, the staffer asked her and her husband to wait in the lobby for paperwork regarding a follow-up appointment, which her husband said he believed was a “ploy.”

Soon, officers arrived and handcuffed Paola Clouatre, who handed her wedding ring to her husband for safekeeping.

Adrian Clouatre, eyes welling with tears, said he and his wife had tried to “do the right thing” and that he felt ICE officers should have more discretion over arrests, though he understood they were trying to do their jobs.

“It’s just a hell of a way to treat a veteran,” said Carey Holliday, a former immigration judge who is now representing the couple. “You take their wives and send them back to Mexico?”

The Clouatres filed a motion for a California-based immigration judge to reopen the case on Paola's deportation order and are waiting to hear back, Holliday said................

ICE detains Marine Corps veteran's wife who was still breastfeeding their baby

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers detained the wife of a Marine Corps veteran in Louisiana during a routine immigration appointment in New Orleans.

apnews.com

More credible proof for @TampaJoe and @Sendai that tyrant Trump and his supporters are operating in bad faith, bad behavior and bad intentions. I'm sure they will either ignore it or try to make excuses and give cover for why what tyrant Trump and his supporters are doing is okie dokie.

For clarity, anyone that actively carries out tyrant Trump's bidding, like ICE agents, are supporters. Anyone who offers excuses or justifications of any kind for what tyrant Trump is doing is also a supporter to me.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Don’t know or care who that is.

In my opinion, he was flat out lying. I never took those positions. He had no evidence to that fact. He and you can believe and makeup anything you choose. But when you attribute extreme positions to someone they haven’t taken in order to make points in a debate, you are lying. And if you need to lie to make your point, you have no point.

You're lying that I lied, so by your own standards, you have no point.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Don’t know or care who that is.

In my opinion, he was flat out lying. I never took those positions. He had no evidence to that fact. He and you can believe and makeup anything you choose. But when you attribute extreme positions to someone they haven’t taken in order to make points in a debate, you are lying. And if you need to lie to make your point, you have no point.

Sorry, it clearly went over your head. I was implying that you are a hypocrite. You are the pot calling the kettle black. You obfuscate, you crawfish, deny, you make illogical arguments, and it's apparently all to avoid actually owning up to your beliefs. Thus, when you call someone a liar, you are being a hypocrite.

And for the record, LA could not have been lying, as it was made abundantly clear that he was not stating a fact. He was stating an opinion.

 

[TampaJoe]

Sorry, it clearly went over your head. I was implying that you are a hypocrite. You are the pot calling the kettle black. You obfuscate, you crawfish, deny, you make illogical arguments, and it's apparently all to avoid actually owning up to your beliefs. Thus, when you call someone a liar, you are being a hypocrite.

And for the record, LA could not have been lying, as it was made abundantly clear that he was not stating a fact. He was stating an opinion.

My opinion is that he is clearly misrepresenting my point of view. And you are defending it.

For the record.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

My opinion is that he is clearly misrepresenting my point of view. And you are defending it.

For the record.

And that's perfectly valid. Of course, we have your entire posting history here to support our opinion, and LA even broke it down quite nicely for all to see, so... yeah. Until you start engaging honestly, I'll continue to hold the same opinion as LA.