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    superchuck500

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    It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

    Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

    Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

     
    Sendai said:
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    A federal grand jury Tuesday indicted a Wisconsin judge arrested by the FBI for allegedly obstructing government agents seeking to detain an undocumented immigrant.

    The two-page indictment accuses Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan of confronting members of Immigration and Customs Enforcement and falsely telling them they needed a judicial warrant to conduct their operation. It also accused her of directing the undocumented immigrant and his lawyer to exit through a separate door to sidestep federal agents.”

    www.nbcnews.com

    Federal grand jury indicts Milwaukee judge accused of obstructing immigration agents

    The FBI arrested Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan after the Trump administration accused her of helping an undocumented immigrant evade ICE agents.
    www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

    A bit surprised by this.
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    Something something ham sandwich...
     
    Sendai said:
    I was a bit surprised at the indictment, what with Milwaukee being blue.
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    That’s pretty cynical. I think, or at least in my experience, almost everyone who serves on a jury takes their responsibility very seriously. And getting a grand jury indictment is notoriously easy. You don’t have to show any evidence that doesn’t support your case. It’s a low bar.
     
    MT15 said:
    That’s pretty cynical. I think, or at least in my experience, almost everyone who serves on a jury takes their responsibility very seriously. And getting a grand jury indictment is notoriously easy. You don’t have to show any evidence that doesn’t support your case. It’s a low bar.
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    Not cynical. Grand juries I was on were very serious and challenged the cases. There was no rubber stamp. We refused to indict several cases. There were several cases where before the prosecutor left the room I asked the question “ do you really want to prosecute this case” and the answer was a resounding “ no “.
     
    Sendai said:
    Not cynical. Grand juries I was on were very serious and challenged the cases. There was no rubber stamp. We refused to indict several cases. There were several cases where before the prosecutor left the room I asked the question “ do you really want to prosecute this case” and the answer was a resounding “ no “.
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    This seems a bit fantastical. You wouldn’t mind sharing any details would you? Since this is in the past and the cases are over?

    Plus - your example of not indicting when the prosecutor doesn’t actually want to prosecute isn’t really showing a grand jury bucking what the prosecutor wants is it?
     
    superchuck500 said:
    Game show host president with Fox News administration thinks 'win your green card' game show is both sensible and not abhorrent?

    Checks out
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    This doesn't seem so far away...

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    MT15 said:
    This seems a bit fantastical. You wouldn’t mind sharing any details would you? Since this is in the past and the cases are over?

    Plus - your example of not indicting when the prosecutor doesn’t actually want to prosecute isn’t really showing a grand jury bucking what the prosecutor wants is it?
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    It’s really quite simple. My experience was with prosecutors who ran the grand jury straight up. Brief explanation of the law. Witnesses. Leave the room while we voted. In one session we had police bringing several drug trafficking charges against college students where they had a few dime bags. Those of us with experience recognized it was their turn to pick up the product for friends. Fortunately several of the grand jury members recognized this. After a discussion with the grand jury members unfamiliar with college life we very quickly refused to indict those cases. As to the question do you really want to prosecute. At the time the prosecutors office was required by law to bring charges if they were put forth by a range of state or local government agencies. There were charges brought that seemed excessive so I asked the question. It pleased the prosecutor.
     
    Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) effectively misled a judge in order to gain access to the homes of students it sought to arrest for their pro-Palestinian activism, attorneys say.

    A recently unsealed search warrant application shows that Ice told a judge it needed a warrant because the agency was investigating Columbia University for “harboring aliens”. In reality, attorneys say, Ice used the warrant application as a “pretext” to try to arrest two students, including one green card holder, in order to deport them.

    What the unsealed document shows is that the agency “was manufacturing an allegation of ‘harboring’, just so agents can get in the door,” Nathan Freed Wessler, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), said. “What Ice was actually trying to do is get into these rooms to arrest them.”

    The “harboring aliens” statute is applied to those who “conceal, harbor, or shield from detection” any immigrant who is not authorized to be in the US.

    The search warrant, which was first reported by the Intercept, relates to two Columbia University students, Yunseo Chung and Ranjani Srinivasan, whom Ice sought to deport over their purported pro-Palestinian activism.

    According to the document and other court records, agents had arrived at Columbia’s New York campus on 7 March to try to arrest Srinivasan but were unable to enter her dorm room because they did not have a judicial warrant. Two days later, on 9 March, agents arrived at Chung’s parents’ house to search for her, also without a warrant.

    On 13 March, an agent with Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), an office within Ice, filed the application for a search and seizure warrant with a federal judge in New York, saying that it was investigating Columbia University for “harboring aliens”. The agent claimed he believed there was “evidence, fruits and instrumentalities” that could prove the government’s case against the university. The federal judge granted the warrant and agents subsequently entered and searched two residences on Columbia’s campus.

    After Chung, a legal permanent resident who has lived in the US since the age of seven, found out about HSI’s search, she sued the government to block its effort to arrest and deport her. In the original complaint, attorneys for Chung claimed the search warrant was “sought and obtained on false pretenses”. Srinivasan, a doctoral student on a student visa, had left the US by then rather than risk arrest..................

    www.theguardian.com

    Ice used ‘false pretenses’ for warrant to hunt for Columbia students, lawyers say

    Ice used warrant application as ‘pretext’ to try to arrest two students in order to deport them
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) effectively misled a judge in order to gain access to the homes of students it sought to arrest for their pro-Palestinian activism, attorneys say.

    A recently unsealed search warrant application shows that Ice told a judge it needed a warrant because the agency was investigating Columbia University for “harboring aliens”. In reality, attorneys say, Ice used the warrant application as a “pretext” to try to arrest two students, including one green card holder, in order to deport them.

    What the unsealed document shows is that the agency “was manufacturing an allegation of ‘harboring’, just so agents can get in the door,” Nathan Freed Wessler, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), said. “What Ice was actually trying to do is get into these rooms to arrest them.”

    The “harboring aliens” statute is applied to those who “conceal, harbor, or shield from detection” any immigrant who is not authorized to be in the US.

    The search warrant, which was first reported by the Intercept, relates to two Columbia University students, Yunseo Chung and Ranjani Srinivasan, whom Ice sought to deport over their purported pro-Palestinian activism.

    According to the document and other court records, agents had arrived at Columbia’s New York campus on 7 March to try to arrest Srinivasan but were unable to enter her dorm room because they did not have a judicial warrant. Two days later, on 9 March, agents arrived at Chung’s parents’ house to search for her, also without a warrant.

    On 13 March, an agent with Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), an office within Ice, filed the application for a search and seizure warrant with a federal judge in New York, saying that it was investigating Columbia University for “harboring aliens”. The agent claimed he believed there was “evidence, fruits and instrumentalities” that could prove the government’s case against the university. The federal judge granted the warrant and agents subsequently entered and searched two residences on Columbia’s campus.

    After Chung, a legal permanent resident who has lived in the US since the age of seven, found out about HSI’s search, she sued the government to block its effort to arrest and deport her. In the original complaint, attorneys for Chung claimed the search warrant was “sought and obtained on false pretenses”. Srinivasan, a doctoral student on a student visa, had left the US by then rather than risk arrest..................

    www.theguardian.com

    Ice used ‘false pretenses’ for warrant to hunt for Columbia students, lawyers say

    Ice used warrant application as ‘pretext’ to try to arrest two students in order to deport them
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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    The current administration is acting more like a criminal enterprise than a functioning government. There seems to be no limit to what they are willing to do—or what laws they are willing to break—to push through their agenda and shield themselves from accountability.

    We’ve seen unauthorized surveillance and the misuse of personal data (as in the DOGE scandal), arrests without judicial warrants, and intimidation of elected officials simply for doing their jobs—like overseeing ICE or holding federal agencies accountable. These are attacks on the very core of democratic oversight. They’ve also gone after bedrock constitutional protections: undermining Habeas Corpus, questioning birthright citizenship, and rolling back civil liberties that have stood for generations.

    And while all this is happening, members of the administration appear to be profiting from insider knowledge, exploiting market volatility tied to tariffs and policy changes to enrich themselves and their allies—a clear abuse of public trust.

    This isn’t governance—it’s exploitation, wrapped in authoritarian overreach.
     
    Want all green card holders living in fear
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    The Justice Department has suggested that Attorney General Pam Bondi has the authority to revoke green cards as she sees fit.

    DOJ attorney Lindsay Murphy posited Bondi's alleged power during a Third Circuit hearing in Philadelphia. If the court sides with the Trump administration’s position, it could jeopardize the lawful residency status of the U.S.’s estimated 12.8 million green card holders.

    Murphy suggested that the attorney general has full discretion to revoke the permits at any time for any reason, even for legal permanent residents who had lived in the U.S. for decades. People with green cards can live and work in the U.S., receive Social Security, Medicare and financial aid for college and serve in the military.……..



    www.independent.co.uk

    AG Pam Bondi has the power to revoke green cards at any time, DOJ claims

    ‘That’s an extraordinary position for the government to be taking,’ argues U.S. Circuit Judge Arianna Freeman
    www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
     

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