Will “mass deportation” actually happen (3 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[MT15]

Good that she is back.

Should be an example to keep visas current.

Nothing that hard to follow the rules.

I thought you didn’t believe either side?

You are morally lost, man. Just lost.

 

[Sendai]

I thought you didn’t believe either side?

You are morally lost, man. Just lost.

It’s a pretty safe bet she let her visa expire. Especially since she’s trying to get it renewed. Not that hard to follow the rules.

 

[MT15]

Their game is to stop illegal immigration.

Why would the WH get so excited about net negative migration, if all they care about it illegal immigration? Why would they label net negative migration as a “promise kept” if all they care about is illegal immigration?

Go listen to Stephen Miller talk about immigration sometime, he gives it away. He has always wanted to stop all immigration. Listen to Vance’s recent talk at Claremont - he wants to prevent immigrants from ever being granted citizenship. He even used “blood and soil” type rhetoric to assert that immigrants don’t have the right to citizenship because they are not “connected” to the soil.

You are lying to yourself if you believe what you just typed. You are lying to us if you know the truth but maintain their lie.

 

[MT15]

It’s a pretty safe bet she let her visa expire. Especially since she’s trying to get it renewed. Not that hard to follow the rules.

Or, her visa expires in December in the middle of a school year when she will be hundred of miles away from home and she sought to proactively renew it now, two weeks before classes start.

Your complete vindictiveness toward immigrants is notable.

On the Nigerian restaurant manager- they are charging him $200 per week to make phone calls and other necessities while he is in prison. Trump is gouging people. His sister explained:

“She was also raising money for the quickly accruing costs: $13,000 in attorney’s fees for the asylum case, $3,000 for the bond hearing, roughly $200 each week for Dama’s phone calls and basic needs in detention, not to mention all the costs that Dama would normally pay, but couldn’t—his rent, his phone bill, his car insurance. And, of course, there was the cost of losing a key employee at the restaurant.”

 

[Sendai]

Or, her visa expires in December in the middle of a school year when she will be hundred of miles away from home and she sought to proactively renew it now, two weeks before classes start.

Your complete vindictiveness toward immigrants is notable.

On the Nigerian restaurant manager- they are charging him $200 per week to make phone calls and other necessities while he is in prison. Trump is gouging people. His sister explained:

“She was also raising money for the quickly accruing costs: $13,000 in attorney’s fees for the asylum case, $3,000 for the bond hearing, roughly $200 each week for Dama’s phone calls and basic needs in detention, not to mention all the costs that Dama would normally pay, but couldn’t—his rent, his phone bill, his car insurance. And, of course, there was the cost of losing a key employee at the restaurant.”

I’ve already said I don’t support the detention. Or the actions being taken. Unfortunately most of it is legal.

 

[Sendai]

Why would the WH get so excited about net negative migration, if all they care about it illegal immigration? Why would they label net negative migration as a “promise kept” if all they care about is illegal immigration?

Go listen to Stephen Miller talk about immigration sometime, he gives it away. He has always wanted to stop all immigration. Listen to Vance’s recent talk at Claremont - he wants to prevent immigrants from ever being granted citizenship. He even used “blood and soil” type rhetoric to assert that immigrants don’t have the right to citizenship because they are not “connected” to the soil.

You are lying to yourself if you believe what you just typed. You are lying to us if you know the truth but maintain their lie.

Because the net negative is caused by stopping current illegal immigration.

 

[coldseat]

The ACLU says that ICE plans to keep all the people they have kidnapped locked up indefinitely. For as long as it takes to legally deport them, which we have seen in some cases be indefinitely because they are grabbing people who are here legally.

This is from a periodic ACLU email that I receive so no link:

“As ICE agents tear families apart, wreak havoc on our communities, and hold thousands in detention centers – often without respect for due process or basic human dignity – we're fighting back in court. We just filed two new cases against these unlawful attacks on immigrants. Here's the latest:

• We're fighting back against an illegal attempt to keep thousands of people in ICE detention indefinitely.
  
  The new policy would jail thousands of immigrants indefinitely while their cases are considered – a process that could take years – with no opportunity to seek release on bond. Indefinite detention is cruel and unconstitutional. So we filed a class action lawsuit along with the ACLU of Southern California and partners against the Trump administration, arguing that this new policy disregards decades of immigration law and the basic constitutional right to due process.

• We're suing ICE for their policy of arresting people when they show up to the courthouse and preventing them from pursuing their immigration cases.
  
  This policy does nothing but create fear and punish people for going to their court hearings. Ambushing people for complying with their legal obligations doesn't help our communities – it forces people to choose between their safety and their right to due process. We're joining NYCLU and partners in demanding an end to these unlawful arrests to ensure that every person can have a fair day in court.”

Unfortunately the best hope for the vast majority of those people that have been swept up by ICE is a new administration. The people in this administration will continue to be as draconian as possible. Their depravity is their calling card and they really don't care what the courts that do step in and try to stop them say.

 

[RobF]

I suspect the DHS records show an expired visa. Also quite possible DHS screwed up somewhere.

I’m not inclined to automatically take the word of either side in these disputes.

It’s a pretty safe bet she let her visa expire. Especially since she’s trying to get it renewed. Not that hard to follow the rules.

So you thought it was quite possible DHS screwed up, and weren't inclined to take the word of either side... until she's released, and then you think that makes it less likely that DHS screwed up, to the point that it's a "pretty safe bet" that they didn't?

You're really committed to this "being a one man clown show on a politics forum" thing, aren't you?

 

[samiam5211]

Do you believe this spokesperson for DHS or do you believe the Episcopalian minister and her daughter? We know that everything that comes out of this administration has been riddled with errors.

And I would love to hear your justification for grabbing her and sending her halfway across the country to a facility known for harsh and inhumane treatment as well as rampant disease spread.

If they came in on a R visa in 2021, they were admitted for a max of 2 years, if they never filed for an extension, it would have expired in 2023, that timeline checks out, and they aren't claiming they had previously filed to have their stay extended before the one a few months ago.

The extension they filed cannot be approved if they were already out of status when they filed it, so it was likely denied before they were picked up.

Whether or not we should be enforcing the law at that level is a valid question, but it is likely that these people were out of status like 20 million or os other visa overstays.

 

[Dragon]

Because the net negative is caused by stopping current illegal immigration.

Replacing experienced Border Patrol agents with National Guard troops — who often lack proper training and legal authority — doesn’t strengthen border security. If anything, it weakens it. A drop in apprehensions doesn’t necessarily mean fewer people are trying to cross. It often just means fewer are being caught.

Now, I don’t support open borders. But I also believe in the Constitution. Every person on U.S. soil — regardless of status — is guaranteed due process under the law. That’s not a left-wing idea — that’s America. When people are dragged from their homes or off the streets without warrants, by agents who don’t identify themselves, that’s not law and order — that’s government overreach. If it can happen to “them” today, it can happen to you tomorrow.

The idea of achieving a “net negative” in undocumented immigration simply by blocking people at the border doesn’t hold up mathematically. It’s like claiming you can fix a leaking roof by only catching the drops that fall — while ignoring the water running down the other side of the house. Yes, recent arrivals and those who break the law should be addressed — that’s basic enforcement. But many undocumented immigrants have lived in the U.S. for years, even decades. They harvest your food, clean your homes, and care for your children and elderly. They fill essential jobs that often go unfilled otherwise — contributing, quietly and consistently, to your economy and communities.

To treat them all as criminals, or to make them scapegoats for society’s problems, ignores their role in keeping parts of your country running. It mirrors the dangerous pattern of blaming vulnerable groups — something history has shown can spiral in deeply destructive ways. Instead of rounding up people who’ve built lives and contributed to society, the focus should be on real immigration reform — including a path to legal residency for those who have proven they belong.

Strong borders and fair laws don’t require abandoning basic human decency — or the principles the country was built on.

 

[Sendai]

Replacing experienced Border Patrol agents with National Guard troops — who often lack proper training and legal authority — doesn’t strengthen border security. If anything, it weakens it. A drop in apprehensions doesn’t necessarily mean fewer people are trying to cross. It often just means fewer are being caught.

Now, I don’t support open borders. But I also believe in the Constitution. Every person on U.S. soil — regardless of status — is guaranteed due process under the law. That’s not a left-wing idea — that’s America. When people are dragged from their homes or off the streets without warrants, by agents who don’t identify themselves, that’s not law and order — that’s government overreach. If it can happen to “them” today, it can happen to you tomorrow.

The idea of achieving a “net negative” in undocumented immigration simply by blocking people at the border doesn’t hold up mathematically. It’s like claiming you can fix a leaking roof by only catching the drops that fall — while ignoring the water running down the other side of the house. Yes, recent arrivals and those who break the law should be addressed — that’s basic enforcement. But many undocumented immigrants have lived in the U.S. for years, even decades. They harvest your food, clean your homes, and care for your children and elderly. They fill essential jobs that often go unfilled otherwise — contributing, quietly and consistently, to your economy and communities.

To treat them all as criminals, or to make them scapegoats for society’s problems, ignores their role in keeping parts of your country running. It mirrors the dangerous pattern of blaming vulnerable groups — something history has shown can spiral in deeply destructive ways. Instead of rounding up people who’ve built lives and contributed to society, the focus should be on real immigration reform — including a path to legal residency for those who have proven they belong.

Strong borders and fair laws don’t require abandoning basic human decency — or the principles the country was built on.

The tide of undocumented at the border has been reduced to a trickle. That is the cause of net negative of undocumented immigration.

 

[Dragon]

The tide of undocumented at the border has been reduced to a trickle. That is the cause of net negative of undocumented immigration.

Net negative = More people leaving the US than entering the US. You can't have a net negative just by reducing the number of illegals trying to enter.

And the basic fact still remains. Fewer people caught does not equal fewer people entering. It just means fewer people caught

 

[fooferdoggie]

 

[RobF]

If they came in on a R visa in 2021, they were admitted for a max of 2 years, if they never filed for an extension, it would have expired in 2023, that timeline checks out, and they aren't claiming they had previously filed to have their stay extended before the one a few months ago.

Not sure that last bit is accurate, e.g.: https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...-raids-as-protests-erupt-101754334295420.html

"Go is legally enrolled at Purdue University, stated her family and counsel, adding that her stay was lawfully prolonged in 2023. Her next court appearance is set for October."​

Korean student detained by ICE last week released, returns to NY

Yeonsoo Go, a Scarsdale High School graduate detained by ICE last week, was released Monday night at 26 Federal Plaza.

www.fox5ny.com

"According to a previous interview with Rothwell-Davis, the intial visa was renewed in 2023 with no issues and is valid until December 2025."​

So there's at least some reporting indicating they are claiming to have previously extended it.

Also a thought: would she have been able to stay enrolled at Purdue without a valid visa?

 

[samiam5211]

Not sure that last bit is accurate, e.g.: https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...-raids-as-protests-erupt-101754334295420.html

"Go is legally enrolled at Purdue University, stated her family and counsel, adding that her stay was lawfully prolonged in 2023. Her next court appearance is set for October."​

Korean student detained by ICE last week released, returns to NY

Yeonsoo Go, a Scarsdale High School graduate detained by ICE last week, was released Monday night at 26 Federal Plaza.

www.fox5ny.com

"According to a previous interview with Rothwell-Davis, the intial visa was renewed in 2023 with no issues and is valid until December 2025."​

So there's at least some reporting indicating they are claiming to have previously extended it.

Also a thought: would she have been able to stay enrolled at Purdue without a valid visa?

There is definitely more than one thing going on.

She came in as a R2 dependent of a religious worker, and likely tried to change to a F1 Student when she enrolled at Perdue.

She may have not got the F1 approved, and likely wasn't included in her mother's initial extension of her R1, since she was trying to change status to an F1 around that same time. Maybe that F1 change of status was denied for some other reason (there's a ton of minor reasons it could have been correctly denied), and she tried to go back to the R2,.... This is just an assumption based on what would commonly happen to someone in that situation.

Immigration law is complicated, and the news is almost always wrong when they try to suggest that someone was erroneously arrested by immigration.

Whether or not it is legal to arrest someone is a different question than whether or not we should be arresting someone though.

 

[MT15]

Because the net negative is caused by stopping current illegal immigration.

Patently false. Just another falsity in a long line of them.

 

[MT15]

I’ve already said I don’t support the detention. Or the actions being taken. Unfortunately most of it is legal.

Slavery was legal. Discrimination based on race was legal. Both are morally depraved and signs of executive malfeasance.

Support this and you end up morally depraved as well.

 

[zztop]

ICE’s Spectacle of Intimidation

Immigrants showing up for court dates in Manhattan must now navigate past rows of masked federal agents.

www.newyorker.com