Will “mass deportation” actually happen (3 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[MT15]

If they need money to hold people in concentration camps, ICE has plenty. They don’t need to take FEMA money.

 

[Dragon]

If they need money to hold people in concentration camps, ICE has plenty. They don’t need to take FEMA money.

Why camps is my question. They could just deport people to their country of origin. What is the purpose of these camps if not to use for free labor or enrich private companies with government money? Building new camps i agricultural areas like Georgia could lead to suspicion of such a plan.

 

[MT15]

The story of one Venezuelan man sent to CECOT. He had participated in 2 demonstrations against the Venezuelan government and was detained briefly and tortured after the second time so he fled to the US. A soccer player and coach, he had no criminal record. He entered at a port of entry and claimed asylum. Because he had a tattoo of a soccer ball with a crown on it and the word “Dios” he was accused of being a gang member and was detained until they suddenly sent him to El Salvador even though he had a court date for his asylum hearing. He describes the daily beatings, the human rights violations. He is now back in Venezuela where he can at least be with his family. He knows not to talk about the government in Venezuela anymore though. They could decide to treat him just like the American government has treated him.

'Hell on earth.' A Venezuelan deportee describes abuse in El Salvador prison — Los Angeles Times

A Venezuelan man who was deported from California to El Salvador and held at one of the country's infamous prisons recounts his months in custody, recalling meager rations and the torture and beating of fellow inmates.

apple.news

 

[MT15]

Oh, and if you are an American and you don’t feel even a little bit of outrage or shame over what is happening then you are a piss poor example of a person. You need to check your humanity.

 

[zztop]

Immigration agents told a teenage US citizen: ‘You’ve got no rights.’ He secretly recorded his brutal arrest

Video from Kenny Laynez-Ambrosio, 18, puts fresh scrutiny on the harsh tactics used to reach the Trump administration’s ambitious enforcement targets

www.theguardian.com

 

[MT15]

Most of the people kidnapped and disappeared in CA in June had no criminal records. None.

Trump boasts of deporting the 'worst of the worst.' L.A. raids tell a far different story — Los Angeles Times

As the number of immigration arrests in the L.A. region quadrupled from April to June, seven out of 10 immigrants arrested in June had no criminal conviction.

apple.news

 

[Sendai]

That’s not what the article says. It’s just not. Noem said the opposite in fact. During the Biden admin they used a separate stream because it was set up that way with Congress. Nowhere in that article does it say what you are saying.

You will need a source that actually shows it’s not disaster relief money, because that short article doesn’t say that.

“Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem has said DHS will tap FEMA’s $650-million shelter and services program to fund Florida’s facility. Congress during the Biden administration directed DHS to distribute the money to state and local governments to cover the cost of sheltering migrants.”

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-states-get-608-million-fema-build-migrant-detention-centers-2025-07-25/

Congress directed it and it doesn’t matter which administration uses it.

 

[MT15]

“Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem has said DHS will tap FEMA’s $650-million shelter and services program to fund Florida’s facility. Congress during the Biden administration directed DHS to distribute the money to state and local governments to cover the cost of sheltering migrants.”

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-states-get-608-million-fema-build-migrant-detention-centers-2025-07-25/

Congress directed it and it doesn’t matter which administration uses it.

Thank you that makes it much clearer. Congress appropriated it is a better term.

Do you see any qualitative difference in the use of the funds? Just curious. Does one use seem qualitatively different to you or no?

Is this not what you were complaining about when Biden was housing immigrants in hotels?

 

[Sendai]

How that is within FEMA’s mission authorization is a fair question. That money was programmed by the appropriations, agencies don’t have carte blanche to spend appropriations however they wish.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-states-get-608-million-fema-build-migrant-detention-centers-2025-07-25/

 

[Sendai]

Thank you that makes it much clearer. Congress appropriated it is a better term.

Do you see any qualitative difference in the use of the funds? Just curious. Does one use seem qualitatively different to you or no?

Is this not what you were complaining about when Biden was housing immigrants in hotels?

My only observation was the expenses incurred by the city of New York and state of New York, Chicago and Illinois. Not sure how much, if any, federal help they received.

 

[MT15]

Evidently Trump’s prosecutor is having a lot of trouble trying to indict protestors. Mainly because the wonderful () agents who refuse to identify themselves seem to feel that anonymity allows them to just flat out lie about what has happened. Luckily there are enough people around recording them that they cannot get away with it in most cases, so charges are sometimes just quietly dropped when the protestor’s attorney shows them what actually happened. And sometimes grand juries are so unimpressed by the cases presented that they refuse to indict. The lead prosecutor was heard to be screaming at his staff after one such debacle.

Trump Official 'Irate' After Grand Juries Refuse to Indict LA Anti-ICE Protesters: Report | Common Dreams

Trump appointee struggles to indict LA protesters. Anti-ICE demonstrators evade felony charges in ongoing legal battles.

www.commondreams.org

 

[Dragon]

Housing immigrants in shelters while their cases are being processed is a looooooooong way from building "prisons"

One is helping people in need - the other is one big human rights violation where cruelty seem to be the goal!

Helping people in need IS a Fema obligation - Building tent prisons in swamps is not!

 

[MT15]

My only observation was the expenses incurred by the city of New York and state of New York, Chicago and Illinois. Not sure how much, if any, federal help they received.

Okay. But could you tell me the answer to my other question? Do you see any qualitative difference between what each administration was doing? Do you feel there is any problem with sending people with no criminal records and no history of not complying with their meetings and check-ins to these concentration camps? Tents in the Everglades? Spoiled food, toilets out in the open, no contact with family or legal representation?

 

[Sendai]

Okay. But could you tell me the answer to my other question? Do you see any qualitative difference between what each administration was doing? Do you feel there is any problem with sending people with no criminal records and no history of not complying with their meetings and check-ins to these concentration camps? Tents in the Everglades? Spoiled food, toilets out in the open, no contact with family or legal representation?

I have no idea how the previous administration worked out deportations. Apparently they used detention centers. Same ones being used currently. And in significant numbers. Those numbers tell you they weren’t all criminals. The previous administration just didn’t talk about it incessantly.

 

[MT15]

Here is the AI overview from Google on who the Biden Administration detained and why:

“Reasons for immigrant detention under the Biden administration include:

• Securing presence for immigration proceedings or removal: ICE detains individuals to ensure their presence in immigration court or for their removal from the United States.
• Public safety or flight risk: Individuals deemed a public safety risk or a flight risk are detained.
• Criminal History: ICE continues to prioritize arresting and detaining noncitizens with criminal convictions or pending criminal charges.
• Encountered at the southern border by CBP and then transferred to ICE custody:A significant portion of the increase in ICE detention numbers is attributed to transfers from Customs and Border Protection (CBP) after encountering noncitizens at the border.“

The numbers are already 40% higher under Trump than the highest number Biden ever detained. It’s the highest number of people ever detained in the US by ICE. And Trump wants to increase these camps, spending billions to open camps all across the country.

The increase is almost all non-criminals, people who are here legally, green card holders, etc. When Pro-Publica looked into the “criminal” records - they found most of those were traffic violations.

You can try to put lipstick on a pig all you want, but what Trump is doing is unprecedented. ICE and whatever other agents they are sending out there are emboldened by their anonymity to commit crimes against people. That’s a big reason you do not allow secret police - it inevitably leads to human rights abuses.

I don’t particularly care for the way Biden handled immigration. But you cannot compare the two for sheer brutality, physical and mental abuse, and violation of constitutional rights and human rights.

You just refuse to admit it, though. I suspect it’s because you actually like what is happening and if people’s rights are violated it’s worth it to you.

 

[Sendai]

“Detention Snapshot: Spring 2022”

Detention Snapshot: Spring 2022 — Freedom for Immigrants

www.freedomforimmigrants.org

 

[MT15]

“Detention Snapshot: Spring 2022”

Detention Snapshot: Spring 2022 — Freedom for Immigrants

www.freedomforimmigrants.org

What do you think this proves? We’ve all known how bad ICE and CBP are. Their officers have a deservedly horrible reputation. You don’t have to prove anything about that.

Here’s the deal - we now have all the same officers, the same culture of abuse, and we have added third party people. People who are without even the thin veneer of training that ICE and CBP have. And on top of that we have removed all accountability-by allowing them to mask their identity. No badges, no paperwork given to anyone.

Add to that the mandate to just grab people - just anybody - to make these artificial quotas. They’re grabbing legal residents, they’re grabbing citizens, people who are not criminals, who pose no flight risk.

So your proposal here is that the situation hasn’t been worsened by Trump? Is that your thesis?

 

[MT15]

Case in point: this is right now. Thus illustrates just who Trump is allowing to put masks on and roam freely with no accountability while they commit human rights and constitutional rights violations.