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    The farmer-owned dairy cooperative, which produces butter, cheese and other milk products, has dropped the Native American maiden image from its packaging, opting instead for just a landscape.
    The logo, which has been the company’s label for nearly 100 years since it was founded in Minnesota in 1921, has been called “racist” and criticized for its use of the “butter maiden.”


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    Most off-topic response I've seen in a while - and that's saying a lot. Talk about false equivalencies.

    I have always used Land of Lakes Butter and I never realized the Indian maiden was insulting.
     
    Thank you for posting a picture of an actual Indian "Maiden". As someone who was previously engaged to an Indian woman - you know, like FROM INDIA - it annoys the crap out of me seeing people still referring to Native Americans as "Indians." Columbus was an idiot who must have been an awful navigator to get here and think he'd reached India. Especially when you consider that the trade routes to India were pretty well known at that time.

    My brother in law's wife is from India. She grew up there until she was in her early 20's; met my BIL in a school in Europe.
     
    Answering you comments sir... Land O Lakes had every right to change their logo if they wanted to... But the sad part is "IF" they had to change their 100 year old logo due to just a few voices speaking displeasure... In their thoughts it would be better to just get rid of her than worry about reprocussion, bad press or protests by a few folks with nothing better to do...

    Did you even read the press release linked in the Fox News page? Or you just went with what Fox News told you? Ok... that was rhetorical. :hihi: Because that is why you are so riled up about this. Because Fox told you you should be by pointing out that it was considered racist, and posting some tweets that call the imagery racist.

    The press release says the following (which BTW, it is quoted in the Fox article as well):

    “As Land O’Lakes looks toward our 100th anniversary, we’ve recognized we need packaging that reflects the foundation and heart of our company culture—and nothing does that better than our farmer-owners whose milk is used to produce Land O’Lakes’ dairy products,” said Beth Ford, President and CEO, Land O’Lakes. "

    Are you calling Mrs Ford a liar?

    Take a look at this comment here: North Dakota Rep. (Dem) Ruth Buffalo said of the previous Land O'Lakes logo went "hand-in-hand with human and sex trafficking of our women and girls ... by depicting Native women as sex objects,

    And ... ? She's Native American. What is it to you if she feels that way? You don't live in the reservation. Are you going to tell her how she should feel about the plight of Native Americans post the European invasion?

    Has old Ruth Buffulo said a word about Joe Biden and his Sexual accusations? Nope.. Not a peep.. But she sure saved the world from that package of butter.

    So, first, what does this have to do with Land O'Lakes? And how did she save the world from that package of butter? She had nothing to do with Land O'Lakes changing their logo.

    Second, how do you know she hasn't said anything? It's not like Rep. Buffalo is E.F. Hutton. Do you follow her on twitter or something?

    Besides, the Democrats already sacrificed one of their brightest and more promising figures to the #metoo gods. Who has the GOP sacrificed? Why should the Democrats continue to sacrifice their own while the GOP only runs out of town those who do not kiss Trump's arse?

    But back to butter...
     
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    It affects you at some level, since you are here arguing against political correctness because a brand of butter removed a depiction of a Caucasian female wearing a Native American costume from their packaging.

    You have a huge phobia for change you don't agree with. Even here, you describe the image as an "Indian" maiden. Do you know why we don't call the original people of this land "Indians" anymore? Because they aren't. Colombo was wrong: he didn't reach India, so calling them Indians was factually wrong then, and it is factually wrong now.

    And you accuse others of being crybabies, but here you are, offended because a logo was removed from the package of a butter brand.
    Well, for centuries, many historians all across Western countries in universities, high schools, gymnasiums(German term for high school) taught countless grade school kids, middle and high school age students and undergraduate/graduate College students that Columbus was also the first European explorer to reach or settle North America.
    It wasn't until 1960 that two Swedish archeologists proved that previously long agreed upon consensus was wrong and that 11th century Norse Viking explorers from Norway, and Greenland landed in Nova Scotia, Labrador, and Newfoundland ca. 1000 C.E. and established a short ten-year settlement at Lanse aux Meadows.
    Columbus was also a brutal, violent colonial administrator in Hispaniola and some of his decrees were so severe it led to a local uprising that was brutally repressed it got him recalled back to Spain.
    So, honestly, Columbus was incorrect, inaccurate and a deeply flawed man for many other reasons then just inaccurately believing he discovered India.

    . And the only reason why late 15th century European explorers went on a westward Atlantic route to India was because the Middle Eastern Silk Road routes once open to India and Chinese markets were closed by the Turks after their 1453 conquest of Constantinople(Istanbul).
     
    I am one of those who argue for social justice and mutual respect for all people - regardles of color, gender, age or ethnic origin

    I am also the same age as you and have a lifetime of experience, having travelled to almost all continents, and having lived in 3 countries.

    I have personally experienced both Europes transformation from the cold war all the way to the fall of the Berlin wall. I have lost close friends and fellow members of the democratic youth association who happened to live on the wrong side of that WALL

    I have a close friend who saw what happened when hatred,bigotry and genocide destroyed balkan,

    So don't lecture me about lessons learned!!

    If there is anything I have learned during the almost 60 years I have lived, it is that the daily small insults, bigotry, prejudices, and lack of empathy towards those who are different from us, are all things that nurtures hatred, racism, and sometimes lead humanity down the dark paths towards genocide.

    My grandfather fought the Nazis and paid a heavy price for that and just in my own lifetime I have seen Cambodia, Yugoslavia, Syria and Burma. You would think that we would learn but despite being hailed as a ligth of freedom, the US has elected a president whose main platform is build on the fear of others and a new WALL. Who has tried to restrict people from entering the US purely because of their religion (even though the courts forced him to modify that) and who put children in cages some of which have died (and some posters here defended it by saying their parents should just have stayed at home!).

    No I don't hate the US. I have always been a big supporter but I DO NOT like the way the current administration undermines and try to destroy the very foundation on which it was build.
    With all due respect and I do mean this not to trivialize the countless deaths, war crimes, genocide and ethnic cleansing done by most participants in these conflicts but from geopolitical standpoint, Yugoslavia was a failed state forcibly put together by mostly Serbian nationalists and its leaders, specifically Tito, tried to believe centuries of ethnic religious tensions, conflict, simmering hatred between Croats, Serbs, and Muslims would simply fade away. Yugoslavia, essentially, was a failed state because its very existence was forced creation kept in line internally by a predominant political party or parties. International policy experts or analysts will tell you failed states created artificially by outsiders end up having terrible, humanitarian disasters or intense, genocidal civil wars like in former Yugoslavia throughout the 1990s.

    East Germany followed a very similar path. It was a socialist Warsaw-Bloc satellite state created by the Soviet Union as a buffer against NATO expansion and Soviets and other Eastern European communists wanted a permanent division of Germany because they feared eventual revival of pan-German nationalism if they ever reunified. East Germany had a brutal, repressive, insidious police state apparatus, the Stasi, that spied on more people and destroyed more lives than their Gestapo predecessors. But they had no absolutely no control over foreign/domestic issues, no real independent sovereignty status to make decisions independent of Moscow. The Berlin Wall was built because East German leadership feared they were losing too many of their best and brightest to West ie. Brain drain and whenever a regime or government builds a wall to keep people from moving out or leaving, it means their government doesn't work and its people don't accept its legitimacy.

    Like it or not, but thats the facts.

    You can see similar developments occurring in let's say countries like Lebanon, Zimbabwe, and even Libya.
     
    Did you even read the press release linked in the Fox News page? Or you just went with what Fox News told you? Ok... that was rhetorical. :hihi: Because that is why you are so riled up about this. Because Fox told you you should be by pointing out that it was considered racist, and posting some tweets that call the imagery racist.

    The press release says the following (which BTW, it is quoted in the Fox article as well):

    “As Land O’Lakes looks toward our 100th anniversary, we’ve recognized we need packaging that reflects the foundation and heart of our company culture—and nothing does that better than our farmer-owners whose milk is used to produce Land O’Lakes’ dairy products,” said Beth Ford, President and CEO, Land O’Lakes. "

    Are you calling Mrs Ford a liar?



    And ... ? She's Native American. What is it to you if she feels that way? You don't live in the reservation. Are you going to tell her how she should feel about the plight of Native Americans post the European invasion?



    So, first, what does this have to do with Land O'Lakes? And how did she save the world from that package of butter? She had nothing to do with Land O'Lakes changing their logo.

    Second, how do you know she hasn't said anything? It's not like Rep. Buffalo is E.F. Hutton. Do you follow her on twitter or something?

    Besides, the Democrats already sacrificed one of their brightest and more promising figures to the #metoo gods. Who has the GOP sacrificed? Why should the Democrats continue to sacrifice their own while the GOP only runs out of town those who do not kiss Trump's arse?

    But back to butter...
    Do you somehow believe that Dems were too hasty in casting off senators like Franken and a few others due to past accusations of sexual assaults or inappropriate touching or comments because of a social phenomenon of female celebrities or women in society who finally got sick and tired of all the posturing and lack of progress? If their are Democrat politicians like John Conyers or others who did sexually harass or assault or make crude suggestive comments to female reporters or staffers now or 10-15 years, their a liability and have to go, even if the other side doesn't even try to hold their own to same standards?

    Let's not try and make this conversation seem too partisan-sounding. #MeToo isn't something that's going away and can't be broken down into this zero-sum "social-shaming" trivalized game.
     
    With all due respect and I do mean this not to trivialize the countless deaths, war crimes, genocide and ethnic cleansing done by most participants in these conflicts but from geopolitical standpoint, Yugoslavia was a failed state forcibly put together by mostly Serbian nationalists and its leaders, specifically Tito, tried to believe centuries of ethnic religious tensions, conflict, simmering hatred between Croats, Serbs, and Muslims would simply fade away. Yugoslavia, essentially, was a failed state because its very existence was forced creation kept in line internally by a predominant political party or parties. International policy experts or analysts will tell you failed states created artificially by outsiders end up having terrible, humanitarian disasters or intense, genocidal civil wars like in former Yugoslavia throughout the 1990s.

    East Germany followed a very similar path. It was a socialist Warsaw-Bloc satellite state created by the Soviet Union as a buffer against NATO expansion and Soviets and other Eastern European communists wanted a permanent division of Germany because they feared eventual revival of pan-German nationalism if they ever reunified. East Germany had a brutal, repressive, insidious police state apparatus, the Stasi, that spied on more people and destroyed more lives than their Gestapo predecessors. But they had no absolutely no control over foreign/domestic issues, no real independent sovereignty status to make decisions independent of Moscow. The Berlin Wall was built because East German leadership feared they were losing too many of their best and brightest to West ie. Brain drain and whenever a regime or government builds a wall to keep people from moving out or leaving, it means their government doesn't work and its people don't accept its legitimacy.

    Like it or not, but thats the facts.

    You can see similar developments occurring in let's say countries like Lebanon, Zimbabwe, and even Libya.


    That does not invalidate the points I made in any way - rather the opposite!

    Do you not recognize that some of the historic "scars" that caused those nations to sucumb to chaos, tyrany and in some cases civil war exists in the US today? And that the US is as vulnerable as they were, when "lead" by a dangerous, diversive demagogue who wants to be "king" and has no respect at all for the constitution or the laws of the land and who promote racism and hatred ?
     
    So we hold two political parties to two different standards, ethically at least? I'm sure that would be a less than pragmatic way to defuse partisan politics even when Trump's gone, and in the context of him being POTUS, he's done and exists as nothing more then a bitter, angry lame duck who's really scared and terrified of what's facing him from Cyrus Vance III coming after him due to economic/tax evasion charges?
     
    That does not invalidate the points I made in any way - rather the opposite!

    Do you not recognize that some of the historic "scars" that caused those nations to sucumb to chaos, tyrany and in some cases civil war exists in the US today? And that the US is as vulnerable as they were, when "lead" by a dangerous, diversive demagogue who wants to be "king" and has no respect at all for the constitution or the laws of the land and who promote racism and hatred ?
    I agree. I wasn't trying to invalidate it, but there were much deeper socio-political, cultural and even religious divisions centuries older, more complex than even what we have here in the US, if outsiders(international politicians or ethno-nationalists) try to manipulate, deny these existing tensions, and create "failed states"--then the outcomes usually tend to be nasty, or violent. Balkanization exists in international politics jargon or term describing perpetual, historical simmering tensions between different minority groups in societies, religious or cultural that shapes countries or sharply divides them.

    Like I said earlier, Lebanon right now, unfortunately does share some similarities to former Yugoslavia during the 90s Balkan wars.

    I know some of these "historic scars" exist here or the potential for a dangerous, divisive demagogue like Trump to exacerbate these divisions but I would also HOPE we in the future do a better job then before at confronting these divisions more constructively because if we don't, another charismatic, demagogue might emerge and he/she might be more intelligent, cautious, politically savvy and less prone to making their intentions "too obvious" that their called out and criticized on it.
     

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