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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    Interesting read
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    Out of sight but not forgotten, the John Birch Society is a husk of its old self. Still, its penchant for conspiracy theories courses in the veins of the American right.

    A mere 37% of Republicansbelieve Joe Biden beat Donald Trump legitimately. “January 6, I think, is probably second only to the 2020 election as the biggest scam in my lifetime,” says Tucker Carlson, the face of Fox News.

    Back in the day, the society trashed Dwight D Eisenhower and his successor as president, John F Kennedy. That Ike and JFK were war heroes made no difference. They were suspect. Eisenhower attempted to navigate around the Birchers. Kennedy used them as a foil. Dallas, where JFK was assassinated, was a Bircher hotbed.

    “Birchers charged that President Eisenhower abetted the communists, distributed flyers calling President John F Kennedy a traitor, and repudiated Nato,” Matthew Dallek writes in his in-depth examination of the society’s rise, fall and continued relevance.

    Dallek, a professor at George Washington University, is the son of Robert Dallek, a legendary presidential biographer. Under the subtitle How the John Birch Society Radicalized the American Right, Dallek’s book is quick-paced and well researched. However troubling, it is a joy to read.

    Dallek argues convincingly that despite the end of the cold war, amid which the Birchers were born, its antipathies and suspicions continue to animate and inflame, a reality Trump and his minions remember and Democrats forget at their peril.

    Dallek looks at how the Birchers’ ideas came to pollenate and populate the Republican party. It didn’t happen randomly or suddenly. The society never disappeared and nor did its ideas and resentments. The “quagmires in Afghanistan and Iraq” coupled with the “financial crisis and Great Recession” breathed fresh currency into isolationism, nativism and scorn for elites.

    Founded in 1958, at a secret meeting in Indianapolis led by Robert Welch, the candy manufacturer, the group took its name from a missionary and intelligence officer killed in 1945 by communists in China. Birch’s Christianity and the circumstances of his death were central to the society’s message.

    Original members included Fred C Koch, founder of Koch Industries and father of Charles and David, the hard-right political activists and billionaire donors………

    The John Birch Society is now obscure yet basks in undreamed-of success. Instead of railing against fluoridated water and embracing laetrile (an apricot derivative) as a cancer cure, the Birchers’ intellectual heirs dump on the Covid vaccine, roll the dice on polio and worship ivermectin as a miracle drug.

    Ron DeSantis, Florida governor and Trump mini-me, is all in with his nonstop attack on modernity and vaccination. Trump no longer reminds voters of Operation Warp Speed, the great success in combating the latest plague.

    The mortality gap between precincts populated by red and blue America says plenty, but Republican animus to vaccine mandates appears baked in. Fringy need not mean down and out. Just look at Ginni Thomas and her husband, Clarence Thomas, the conservative supreme court justice…….

     
    No one should have to spend time in jail for a relatively minor offense just because they can’t afford bail
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    MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Just two days before he drove his SUV through a Christmas parade in suburban Milwaukee, killing six people and injuring more than 60, Darrell Brooks Jr. had posted bail for charges of domestic violence.

    He had been accused of using his SUV to run over the mother of his child, and a pretrial assessment found Brooks was at high risk of reoffending.

    But a court official set that bail at a mere $1,000 cash at the request of prosecutors, who later called their recommendation a mistake. For the parade killings, Brooks was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

    Brooks quickly became the poster child for a Republican-backed push to enact tougher bail policies. The Republican-controlled Wisconsin Legislature is asking voters to ratify a constitutional amendment that would make it harder for violent criminals to get out of jail on bail.

    GOP lawmakers in other states also are scrambling to make it harder for defendants to get out of jail before trial after branding themselves as tough on crime in the 2022 midterm elections.

    Their efforts have led to a fierce fight with Democrats over public safety and the rights of criminal defendants.

    Recent Democratic overhaul measures in states such as Illinois and New York have sought to eliminate cash bail and lessen pretrial detention on the premise they do more harm than good, especially to marginalized groups…………

     
    This article points out that "arresting" Donald Trump could inspire some sympathy for him and actually help him.
    No sympathy from me though.
    Anyway, here is the article....
     
    He is saying this in his capacity as an appointed (by the governor of Florida) memeber of the board of trustees of a public university. That is very much coming from the government.
    A member of the board of trustees at a public university is a member of the government? Not quite.
     
    So, you love to project don’t you? I’m not gaslighting, you are.

    There’s no evidence of government censorship on Twitter. None. There were requests made by both parties. Both parties. Just like any person can report a post. Twitter ignored those it didn’t think were legit complaints, and acted on those it determined did violate its policies. In fact, the requests made by the Biden campaign were specifically not government censorship because he wasn’t part of government at the time. The Trump campaign’s requests are murkier, since he was actually POTUS at the time. This isn’t hard, SFL,

    You also may want to review the term “public university”. 🤦‍♀️ You keep clowning yourself.
    You are lying. You have seen the Twitter Files and although you tried desperately and unsuccessfully to discredit them, they show many instances of the government pressuring Twitter to censor or ban US citizen's online speech.

    I think it's time to dig into some more Twitter Files since you continue to lie about it not showing the government pressuring Twitter to censor and ban.
     
    A member of the board of trustees at a public university is a member of the government? Not quite.

    Rufo was speaking in an official capacity, not as a private citizen. He was speaking directly to the job he (and others) were appointed to do at a public university. Who is he speaking for if not the government?
     
    You are lying. You have seen the Twitter Files and although you tried desperately and unsuccessfully to discredit them, they show many instances of the government pressuring Twitter to censor or ban US citizen's online speech.

    I think it's time to dig into some more Twitter Files since you continue to lie about it not showing the government pressuring Twitter to censor and ban.
    You need to tone down your rhetoric, quit accusing me of lying. Multiple people have explained to you that these cherry-picked examples are not government pressure.

    A. Biden wasn’t in office at the time.

    B. So you are alleging that the Trump FBI, led by a Trump appointee, pressured Twitter to help Biden? LOL

    C. These were requests, just like the Trump campaign made. Twitter ignored nearly half of these requests from all sides with zero consequences. Not any pressure, no threats, no consequences to ignore the requests.

    For the last time quit calling me a liar for making a solid case against your conspiracy theories.
     
    You are lying. You have seen the Twitter Files and although you tried desperately and unsuccessfully to discredit them, they show many instances of the government pressuring Twitter to censor or ban US citizen's online speech.

    I think it's time to dig into some more Twitter Files since you continue to lie about it not showing the government pressuring Twitter to censor and ban.
    Nope. Biden was not in Government when asking for Twitter not to show pictures of his son’s genitals.

    You. Are. Lying.
     
    I just reread SFL’s post. I tried “desperately”, lol, to debunk the Twitter Files? I wonder what it’s like to live in such a fantasy world as that?

    No, the Twitter Files weren’t really debunked by me, they were debunked by anyone with a functioning brain who looked at them.

    This is just hilarious, actually.
     
    You might find it strange that a large segment of the Republican base thinks Whites are the true victims of racism and that Christians are under attack.

    After all, America’s biggest racial group is still Whites; the most common religious affiliation remains Christianity. Whites and Christians dominate elected office at all levels, the judiciary and corporate America.

    What’s the problem?


    Well, there is a straightforward reason for the freak-out, and an explanation for why former president Donald Trump developed such a close bond with white Christian nationalists.


    This group feels besieged because they are losing ground. “The newly-released 2022 supplement to the PRRI Census of American Religion — based on over 40,000 interviews conducted last year — confirms that the decline of white Christians (Americans who identify as white, non-Hispanic and Christian of any kind) as a proportion of the population continues unabated,” writes Robert P. Jones, president of the Public Religion Research Institute.

    “As recently as 2008, when our first Black president was elected, the U.S. was a majority (54%) white Christian country.” By 2014 the number had dropped to 47 percent, and in 2022 it stood at 42 percent.

    The group that has declined the most is at the core of the MAGA movement, the group most devoted to Christian nationalism. “White evangelical Protestants have experienced the steepest decline.

    As recently as 2006, white evangelical Protestants comprised nearly one-quarter of Americans (23%). By the time of Trump’s rise to power, their numbers had dipped to 16.8%,” Jones explains. “Today, white evangelical Protestants comprise only 13.6% of Americans.”……

     
    You might find it strange that a large segment of the Republican base thinks Whites are the true victims of racism and that Christians are under attack.

    After all, America’s biggest racial group is still Whites; the most common religious affiliation remains Christianity. Whites and Christians dominate elected office at all levels, the judiciary and corporate America.

    What’s the problem?


    Well, there is a straightforward reason for the freak-out, and an explanation for why former president Donald Trump developed such a close bond with white Christian nationalists.


    This group feels besieged because they are losing ground. “The newly-released 2022 supplement to the PRRI Census of American Religion — based on over 40,000 interviews conducted last year — confirms that the decline of white Christians (Americans who identify as white, non-Hispanic and Christian of any kind) as a proportion of the population continues unabated,” writes Robert P. Jones, president of the Public Religion Research Institute.

    “As recently as 2008, when our first Black president was elected, the U.S. was a majority (54%) white Christian country.” By 2014 the number had dropped to 47 percent, and in 2022 it stood at 42 percent.

    The group that has declined the most is at the core of the MAGA movement, the group most devoted to Christian nationalism. “White evangelical Protestants have experienced the steepest decline.

    As recently as 2006, white evangelical Protestants comprised nearly one-quarter of Americans (23%). By the time of Trump’s rise to power, their numbers had dipped to 16.8%,” Jones explains. “Today, white evangelical Protestants comprise only 13.6% of Americans.”……


    And they are absolutely terrified that what went around will come around.
     


    When Kathy Griffin help up Trump's head for that photo shoot, she was visited by the FBI and her career was more or less ruined

    What happens to this guy?
     
    And they are absolutely terrified that what went around will come around.
    While simultaneously trying to convince everyone that nothing went around so there’s nothing to come around and there is absolutely no problem, issue or disadvantage to being a minority in America
     
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    While simultaneously trying to convince everyone that nothing went around and there is absolutely no problem, issue or disadvantage to being a minority in America
    The problem with this is that plenty of people alive today witnessed Jim Crow. They know, with certainty, what went down and how horrible it was. They know, that’s why they’re terrified.
     

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