What happens to the Republican Party now? (1 Viewer)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[UriUT]

¡That is the longest straw man in world history!

Carry on with your red nose and big shoes. I have zero patience for your quixotic views.

 

[Paul]

And one can look at "libertarians" on this site and recognize the hypocrisy of their beliefs in freedom.

Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others.

Pointing to Poland as an example of government with less interference? Yeah if authoritarian means the opposite of what it means. May as well name Hungary or turkey. What this points out to me is that they want their choice of freedom for their kind only.

In the libertarian view, all human relationships should be voluntary. The only actions that should be forbidden by law are those that involve the initiation of force against others.

Want abortion or women's rights? Errrrr...governments will and have the right.

Ending discrimination? Errrr....only for the white male.

The dignity of the individual under libertarianism is a dignity that enhances social well‐being. Libertarianism is good not just for individuals but for societies. The positive basis of libertarian social analysis is methodological individualism, the recognition that only individuals act. The ethical or normative basis of libertarianism is respect for the dignity and worth of every (other) individual. This is expressed in the philosopher Immanuel Kant’s dictum that each person is to be treated not merely as a means but as an end in himself.

Carry on with your red nose and big shoes. I have zero patience for your quixotic views.

OK, see the analysis of the straw men above.

 

[MT15]

Marco Rubio had a deranged tweet claiming that Biden’s human infrastructure plan isn’t socialism, but rather Marxism. You just cannot make this up, but this guy thinks he knows better but is cynically playing on people who don’t and it’s part of a cynical plan.

 

[MT15]

Paul, when you copy and paste, it’s good form to cite the source. I don’t believe you are always doing that are you?

The current Libertarian party has some very problematic ideas IIRC. Let me check.

Yep, they would do away with Social Security, Medicare. They say the proper way to help people who are in need is by charitable donations. So no food stamps, no welfare, no unemployment. If people starve, they just starve I guess. Begging on the street would be a lot more common, IMO.

They would do away with any regulations on guns including registration or limits to gun ownership by anyone, their stance on mandated vaccines isn’t clear from what I read, but I believe they oppose all vaccine mandates. They wouldn’t allow any laws that restrict what a person or company wants to do with their property - so environmental protections are out.

They wouldn’t protect any industries from the market, even those whose existence could be considered in the national interest. Student loans subsidized by the government are not supported.

Oh, they support the free movement of all humans across national borders. This is the party of open borders, not the Democratic Party, lol.

 

[Paul]

Paul, when you copy and paste, it’s good form to cite the source. I don’t believe you are always doing that are you?

When I say obvious things things such as the Earth circles around the Sun I tend not to use citations. My bad!

 

[MT15]

So this entire paragraph:

The dignity of the individual under libertarianism is a dignity that enhances social well‐being. Libertarianism is good not just for individuals but for societies. The positive basis of libertarian social analysis is methodological individualism, the recognition that only individuals act. The ethical or normative basis of libertarianism is respect for the dignity and worth of every (other) individual. This is expressed in the philosopher Immanuel Kant’s dictum that each person is to be treated not merely as a means but as an end in himself.

is lifted from this website, word for word:

https://www.cato.org/blog/libertarianism-individualism-racism

And the original source, which is cited by the website, is a book written by the author of that article in 2015. Here is a screenshot from the website.

 

[brandon]

Paul, when you copy and paste, it’s good form to cite the source. I don’t believe you are always doing that are you?

When I say obvious things things such as the Earth circles around the Sun I tend not to use citations. My bad!

So this entire paragraph:

is lifted from this website, word for word:

https://www.cato.org/blog/libertarianism-individualism-racism

And the original source, which is cited by the website, is a book written by the author of that article in 2015. Here is a screenshot from the website.

How did he not see that coming, lol?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So this entire paragraph:

is lifted from this website, word for word:

https://www.cato.org/blog/libertarianism-individualism-racism

And the original source, which is cited by the website, is a book written by the author of that article in 2015. Here is a screenshot from the website.

You're saying that Paul has no original thoughts? Quelle surprise.

 

[Paul]

So this entire paragraph:

is lifted from this website, word for word:

https://www.cato.org/blog/libertarianism-individualism-racism

And the original source, which is cited by the website, is a book written by the author of that article in 2015. Here is a screenshot from the website.

Yes, you are correct. I looked for a site that stated what I wanted to say to save time. I agree 100% with those words. Do you disagree with those words?

Let me give you another example: I agree with Einstein's work on specific and general relativity but it would be laborious for me to describe it. I would rather find someone that can describe it better than me.

You are doing the equivalent of finding a spelling error to disprove an assertion. Having said that. I agree, I should have put a citation.

 

[zztop]

lol cato institute. but... but... why would a moderate ever go there?

 

[MT15]

How did he not see that coming, lol?

 

[Paul]

lol cato institute. but... but... why would a moderate ever go there?

I like to travel between the left wing and right wing echo chambers. You should try. The more important question is: Do you disagree with these words regardless of where they come from?

The dignity of the individual under libertarianism is a dignity that enhances social well‐being. Libertarianism is good not just for individuals but for societies. The positive basis of libertarian social analysis is methodological individualism, the recognition that only individuals act. The ethical or normative basis of libertarianism is respect for the dignity and worth of every (other) individual. This is expressed in the philosopher Immanuel Kant’s dictum that each person is to be treated not merely as a means but as an end in himself.

CATO

 

[MT15]

I would definitely disagree that libertarianism is good for societies. It’s only good for people who have both the money and power to impose their will on others.

 

[Paul]

Paul, when you copy and paste, it’s good form to cite the source. I don’t believe you are always doing that are you?

Culpa mía

The current Libertarian party has some very problematic ideas IIRC. Let me check.

Yep, they would do away with Social Security, Medicare. They say the proper way to help people who are in need is by charitable donations. So no food stamps, no welfare, no unemployment. If people starve, they just starve I guess. Begging on the street would be a lot more common, IMO.

Yes, that is why they are libertarians. I do not agree with that point as not everybody is self sufficient.

They would do away with any regulations on guns including registration or limits to gun ownership by anyone, their stance on mandated vaccines isn’t clear from what I read, but I believe they oppose all vaccine mandates. They wouldn’t allow any laws that restrict what a person or company wants to do with their property - so environmental protections are out.

Yes they are libertarians. I favor vaccine mandates. However, in their eyes that is authoritarianism.

They wouldn’t protect any industries from the market, even those whose existence could be considered in the national interest. Student loans subsidized by the government are not supported.

Exactly! My libertarian side has to do with the concept of letting others do their own thing. For example LGBTQIA issues and abortion are fine with me.

Oh, they support the free movement of all humans across national borders. This is the party of open borders, not the Democratic Party, lol.

Yes, they are libertarians. I do not favor open borders.

 

[Paul]

I would definitely disagree that libertarianism is good for societies. It’s only good for people who have both the money and power to impose their will on others.

The good side of libertarians is that they do not get concerned with the lifestyles of others. They also tend to judge people as individuals and not as members of a group. When it comes to racism they have better solutions.

 

[MT15]

Well, the libertarian platform I looked at would allow discrimination by private companies and individuals. The only course of action would be boycotts, etc.

‘Members of private organizations retain their rights to set whatever standards of association they deem appropriate, and individuals are free to respond with ostracism, boycotts, and other free market solutions.’

Platform | Libertarian Party

As adopted by convention, May 2022, Sparks, Nevada. Download PDF

www.lp.org

 

[Paul]

Well, the libertarian platform I looked at would allow discrimination by private companies and individuals. The only course of action would be boycotts, etc.

‘Members of private organizations retain their rights to set whatever standards of association they deem appropriate, and individuals are free to respond with ostracism, boycotts, and other free market solutions.’

Platform | Libertarian Party

As adopted by convention, May 2022, Sparks, Nevada. Download PDF

www.lp.org

Yes, they are libertarians and will never force a racist to be a non-racist. They are the live and let live party.

When I say they have a better system to eliminate to racism I am referring to the concept of treating people as individuals and not as members of a group. Racism is based on stereotyping according to the group subjects belong. If all people are treated as individuals the stereotype of the group does not apply. For example if 90% of blue people cannot swim the libertarian will not assume a blue individual cannot swim. He would treat the blue as an individual and the blue group statistics would not apply.

 

[SystemShock]

Paul, when you copy and paste, it’s good form to cite the source. I don’t believe you are always doing that are you?

The current Libertarian party has some very problematic ideas

The problematic (more like delusional) idea is that a country of 320,000,000+ people in a global economy could live by 19th century small town rules.