What happens to the Republican Party now? (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[bird]

Maybe he will get a clue. These people aren’t conservatives and they don’t share his values.

Doubtful. It is understandable that a percentage of people with differing heritages, belief structures and backgrounds would be “conservative”. Although one wonders about the definition of that word as it appears to no longer be attached to any previous definition of conservative. That being said it is equally unsurprising that the person referred to was exposed to that which has been all over the media.

 

[MT15]

Trump is killing the Republican Party and they are too afraid and stupid to do anything about it.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Trump is killing the Republican Party and they are too afraid and stupid to do anything about it.

I think part of the reason that's happening is some of the big donors are funneling some of their money to PAC's instead of directly to the Republican Party and candidates. That gives them anonymity, the ability to use more of their money to influence elections, and allows them to directly control the content of campaign ads.

 

[MT15]

I think part of the reason that's happening is some of the big donors are funneling some of their money to PAC's instead of directly to the Republican Party and candidates. That gives them anonymity, the ability to use more of their money to influence elections, and allows them to directly control the content of campaign ads.

Could be. I read an article a while ago about this. IIRC what is happening is that Trump is steering the money from small donors to himself, and some of the bigger donors are supporting single candidates, but are shying away from giving to the party because Trump makes them nervous. They either don’t think he can win, or they don’t want him to win. Too much chaos, too much of a loose cannon for their liking.

 

[MT15]

Oh good grief. They never learn.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Oh good grief. They never learn.

Above the article provided is a comment by someone named "Aaron Fritschner" who claims that Youngkin is focusing on the richest Virginians...they pay too much taxes.
Yet when I read the article it said: "He is calling for a 12% cut in income taxes across the board"
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"Across the board" !
There is NO QUOTE attributed to Younkin regarding the "wealthy"....nothing about the top earners "paying too much".
This is spin by the Aaron F. guy I have no interest in and that's it.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Above the article provided is a comment by someone named "Aaron Fritschner" who claims that Youngkin is focusing on the richest Virginians...they pay too much taxes.
Yet when I read the article it said: "He is calling for a 12% cut in income taxes across the board"
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"Across the board" !
There is NO QUOTE attributed to Younkin regarding the "wealthy"....nothing about the top earners "paying too much".
This is spin by the Aaron F. guy I have no interest in and that's it.

The article requires you to utilize a little common sense and analyze the impact of cutting income tax while raising sales tax.

 

[MT15]

Above the article provided is a comment by someone named "Aaron Fritschner" who claims that Youngkin is focusing on the richest Virginians...they pay too much taxes.
Yet when I read the article it said: "He is calling for a 12% cut in income taxes across the board"
*
*
"Across the board" !
There is NO QUOTE attributed to Younkin regarding the "wealthy"....nothing about the top earners "paying too much".
This is spin by the Aaron F. guy I have no interest in and that's it.

Cutting income tax while raising sales tax shifts the burden from the top earners to lower wage workers. That’s the nature of those two taxes. Income tax is variable depending on income, so those who make more pay more. Sales tax hurts lower wage earners disproportionately. That’s why the author framed it like he did. Of course Youngkin isn’t going to come out and say he wants people who make more money to pay less taxes and people who don’t make as much money to pay proportionally more, but what he has proposed will do just that.

 

[MT15]

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Cutting income tax while raising sales tax shifts the burden from the top earners to lower wage workers. That’s the nature of those two taxes. Income tax is variable depending on income, so those who make more pay more. Sales tax hurts lower wage earners disproportionately. That’s why the author framed it like he did. Of course Youngkin isn’t going to come out and say he wants people who make more money to pay less taxes and people who don’t make as much money to pay proportionally more, but what he has proposed will do just that.

I don't want to see the sales tax go up in my state or in Virginia. I WOULD definitely want my state income tax to go down. ANY tax CUT is desirable and ANY tax INCREASE is NOT desirable.
Ok....ok...
The state has to balance its budget so some taxes are obviously needful. Having read the article and learning superficially about Younkin's approach, I think it is fine.
That's me.....a man with a four year college degree and a comfortable salary.
I don't know what it is like to be anything else but me.
Most people vote for politicians who promote policies that will make their life better.
If I lived in Virginia I'd prefer Youngkin's approach.

 

[Taurus]

I don't want to see the sales tax go up in my state or in Virginia. I WOULD definitely want my state income tax to go down. ANY tax CUT is desirable and ANY tax INCREASE is NOT desirable.
Ok....ok...
The state has to balance its budget so some taxes are obviously needful. Having read the article and learning superficially about Younkin's approach, I think it is fine.
That's me.....a man with a four year college degree and a comfortable salary.
I don't know what it is like to be anything else but me.
Most people vote for politicians who promote policies that will make their life better.
If I lived in Virginia I'd prefer Youngkin's approach.

Until those sales taxes started to seriously erode your buying power.

 

[MT15]

Until those sales taxes started to seriously erode your buying power.

They probably won’t affect him too much. But the people at the margins, food service workers, hotel maids, anyone making minimum wage or just over, will really feel the increase in sales taxes. It will hurt them much more than someone in his position. It’s not a good thing for the state.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I don't want to see the sales tax go up in my state or in Virginia. I WOULD definitely want my state income tax to go down. ANY tax CUT is desirable and ANY tax INCREASE is NOT desirable.
Ok....ok...
The state has to balance its budget so some taxes are obviously needful. Having read the article and learning superficially about Younkin's approach, I think it is fine.
That's me.....a man with a four year college degree and a comfortable salary.
I don't know what it is like to be anything else but me.
Most people vote for politicians who promote policies that will make their life better.
If I lived in Virginia I'd prefer Youngkin's approach.

When you are a man with a four-year college degree and a comfortable salary, voting for policies that make your life better means you are likely voting for policies that make life worse for people worse off.

 

[MT15]

I believe this is a Republican state rep correctly analyzing why Oklahoma cannot attract new plants.

 

[MT15]

 

[SFIDC3]

When you are a man with a four-year college degree and a comfortable salary, voting for policies that make your life better means you are likely voting for policies that make life worse for people worse off.

It’s always been the Republican way….

 

[Optimus Prime]

In early December, a rightwing Wisconsin organization called HOT Government sent out a breathless email: Mike Lindell, the pillow salesman turned election conspiracy theorist and staunch Donald Trump ally, had nominated an important Wisconsin politician for a dubious award.

The prize would go to the person who exemplifies “leadership in BEING AN OBSTACLE TO STOPPING ELECTION CRIME”, the email declared.

Lindell’s target wasn’t a Democrat, nonpartisan election official or even a moderate Republican – it was Robin Vos, the powerful Wisconsin Republican assembly speaker.

The nomination reflects a stark turn of fortunes for Vos, who has spent more than a decade using every tool at his disposal to cement Republican power in Wisconsin, touting a deeply conservative record including on voting.

Vos helped re-draw the state’s legislative maps in 2011, ensuring Republican control of the legislature ever since. The same year, he followed former Republican governor Scott Walker’s lead in creating the most restrictive voter identification law in the country and passing legislation to kneecap union power in a state where organized labor was once the core of the Democratic coalition.

Vos was elected speaker of the assembly in 2013 and has used his years in office since to shore up his party’s minoritarian lock on power in the swing state.

When Republicans lost the governorship in 2018, the assembly quickly passed legislation that curbed the power of the incoming Democratic governor.

And after Trump lost the state in 2020, Vos initiated an investigation into Wisconsin’s election, hiring a promoter of the “Stop the Steal” movement to lead it.

He was in all respects a loyal rightwinger. But Vos has drawn a line at embracing Trump’s false claim that he actually won Wisconsin in 2020 and refused to join colleagues who suggested overturning the 2020 election.

His unwillingness to cross that line has turned him into a pariah on the far right, a target of Lindell, an enemy of Trump and a symbol of the current state of the Republican party where loyalty to Trump is the key litmus test.

Now, Vos is fighting elements of his party that rejected the results of the 2020 election and have come to view him not as a hardline conservative who has done more than almost anyone else to strengthen Republicans’ power in the state, but as a corrupt establishment hack complicit in Trump’s undoing.

With the Trump flank of the grassroots Wisconsin Republican party as strong as ever ahead of the 2024 election, Vos is scrambling to appease his hardline party detractors so he doesn’t become a casualty of the movement he helped create.

“There’s a segment of the Maga crowd who despises him, because they adamantly believe President Trump was cheated,” said a veteran Wisconsin GOP operative, who spoke anonymously given his role within pro-Trump circles.

“Where he is right now is kind of emblematic of the fight going on within the Republican party – here in Wisconsin and across the nation.”…….

A Wisconsin rightwinger’s fall from conservative grace: ‘The Maga crowd despises him’

Robin Vos, the state assembly speaker, worked hard to consolidate GOP power by all means, only to find himself under attack from his own party

www.theguardian.com

 

[brandon]

I don't know what it is like to be anything else but me.

It is possible to care enough about your fellow man to learn about how other people live.