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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    WASHINGTON (AP) — “Embarrassing,” “chaotic” and “irresponsible.” And those were just the words that House Republicans used to describe the past three weeks as they removed one speaker from office and splintered over three successive nominees before finally landing on Rep. Mike Johnson, R-La.

    Now they hope voters won’t hold the GOP’s infighting against them as they seek to hold onto their exceedingly narrow House majority in next year’s election.

    Republicans already had a tough task on their hands. They can afford to lose only four seats to maintain the majority, and 18 of their incumbents are running in districts won by President Joe Biden in 2020. A

    Supreme Court decision siding with Black voters in a redistricting lawsuit could give Democrats a pick-up opportunity in Alabama. And Republican Rep. George Santos’ extensive legal troubles will make it harder for the GOP to keep that Long Island-based district in the Republican column.

    Some Republicans worry the infighting that essentially shuttered the House for three weeks will serve as a further headwind against Republicans in their bid to stay in the majority. Some already sounded resigned to serving in the minority during the past week’s ups and downs in finding a new speaker, while others voiced hopes the passage of time will make the past three weeks a distant memory.

    “Look, it’s not going to be great for ‘24. I’m not optimistic about keeping a majority because of the eight individuals’actions,” said Rep. Max Miller, a first-term Republican from Ohio. “But I just continue to stress that 4% of the conference did this. It’s not indicative of the Republican Party.”


    Miller was referring to the eight Republicans who voted with Democrats to oust McCarthy as speaker after just nine months on the job. Republicans also look to put some of the onus for the past three weeks on Democrats.

    “I think it has damaged the party, but we have to remember who plunged us into chaos. It was eight right-wing, fringe Republicans and every single Democrat,” said. Rep. Nicole Malliotakis, R-N.Y. “They worked with the very people they tell us to run from to take out a speaker that 97% of our conference supported without zero plan on what to do next.”

    Rep. Suzan DelBene, the chair of the campaign arm for House Democrats, said candidates in key swing districts will contrast the fractures among House Republicans with a Democratic focus on the need to govern and meet constituents’ priorities.……

    apnews.com

    Republicans hope the chaos of recent weeks will become a distant memory in next year's elections

    Some Republicans worry the infighting that essentially shuttered the House for three weeks will serve as an obstacle to their bid to stay in the majority after next year's elections.
    apnews.com apnews.com
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    WASHINGTON (AP) — “Embarrassing,” “chaotic” and “irresponsible.” And those were just the words that House Republicans used to describe the past three weeks as they removed one speaker from office and splintered over three successive nominees before finally landing on Rep. Mike Johnson, R-La.

    Now they hope voters won’t hold the GOP’s infighting against them as they seek to hold onto their exceedingly narrow House majority in next year’s election.

    Republicans already had a tough task on their hands. They can afford to lose only four seats to maintain the majority, and 18 of their incumbents are running in districts won by President Joe Biden in 2020. A

    Supreme Court decision siding with Black voters in a redistricting lawsuit could give Democrats a pick-up opportunity in Alabama. And Republican Rep. George Santos’ extensive legal troubles will make it harder for the GOP to keep that Long Island-based district in the Republican column.

    Some Republicans worry the infighting that essentially shuttered the House for three weeks will serve as a further headwind against Republicans in their bid to stay in the majority. Some already sounded resigned to serving in the minority during the past week’s ups and downs in finding a new speaker, while others voiced hopes the passage of time will make the past three weeks a distant memory.

    “Look, it’s not going to be great for ‘24. I’m not optimistic about keeping a majority because of the eight individuals’actions,” said Rep. Max Miller, a first-term Republican from Ohio. “But I just continue to stress that 4% of the conference did this. It’s not indicative of the Republican Party.”


    Miller was referring to the eight Republicans who voted with Democrats to oust McCarthy as speaker after just nine months on the job. Republicans also look to put some of the onus for the past three weeks on Democrats.

    “I think it has damaged the party, but we have to remember who plunged us into chaos. It was eight right-wing, fringe Republicans and every single Democrat,” said. Rep. Nicole Malliotakis, R-N.Y. “They worked with the very people they tell us to run from to take out a speaker that 97% of our conference supported without zero plan on what to do next.”

    Rep. Suzan DelBene, the chair of the campaign arm for House Democrats, said candidates in key swing districts will contrast the fractures among House Republicans with a Democratic focus on the need to govern and meet constituents’ priorities.……

    apnews.com

    Republicans hope the chaos of recent weeks will become a distant memory in next year's elections

    Some Republicans worry the infighting that essentially shuttered the House for three weeks will serve as an obstacle to their bid to stay in the majority after next year's elections.
    apnews.com apnews.com
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    Nov 2024 is still far from now. Rs might lose the house but not because of Oct 2023
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    Nov 2024 is still far from now. Rs might lose the house but not because of Oct 2023
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    It may or may not be, but there can be no doubt that whole mess will be in a lot of campaign ads.

    There are already numerous Republicans who have stated they worry this will come back and bite them in 2024. They can't afford to lose any seats in the House as it is. The debacle will make it worse.
     
    DaveXA said:
    It may or may not be, but there can be no doubt that whole mess will be in a lot of campaign ads.

    There are already numerous Republicans who have stated they worry this will come back and bite them in 2024. They can't afford to lose any seats in the House as it is. The debacle will make it worse.
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    I like your wording better. I agree.
     
    ……Many of the Republican representatives who supported Johnson’s candidacy have admitted both publicly and privately that the elections were, in fact, not falsified.

    Yet when journalists faced a gaggle of Republican congressmen and questioned Johnson’s record on this blatant lie, his colleagues jeered and he mockingly said: “Next question” – as if the facts were irrelevant here.

    And in a sense, they are. Agreeing to Trump’s claims about the rigged election is the absurdity you have to pledge allegiance to in order to show you belong to the tribe. It ensures your fealty by making you complicit. For anyone who has lived in authoritarian regimes, it’s a familiar sight.

    Along with Wedeen’s Syrian example, I’m reminded of the Czech dissident and playwright Václav Havel’s essay The Power of the Powerless, where he tells the story of a greengrocer in communist-era Prague who puts up pro-regime posters in his shop window. The greengrocer doesn’t believe the communist slogans; the people who make the slogans don’t believe in them; and the people who read them don’t believe in them.

    But as long as everyone plays along, the system continues. It’s the act of not believing and yet pretending, rather than of fervently believing, which is the power of such systems. Your will is corroded: you are made into moral mincemeat that can be shaped any which way by the leader.

    Havel nobly suggested that in order to fight such a system, what was needed was to “live in truth”, start being honest. Republican politicians face none of the danger communist-era Czechoslovaks or Syrians under the Assads have, but living in truth seems beyond them.

    Contradicting Trump’s absurdities risks falling out of favour with the leader and his supporters.

    Altogether, about 40% of Americans think the 2020 vote was illegitimate, and about 60% of Republicans (the figures fluctuate). A democracy will struggle to survive, let alone flourish, when such huge swathes of its population see it as their badge of loyalty not to trust its most fundamental processes.

    But if the “rigged” election claim is more about identity than evidence, it also means it will be hard to fact check our way out of this situation. The issue can’t simply be resolved by “trusted” sources, even those on the far right, who can communicate the truth about the election to Trump supporters. Instead, sources only become trusted if they agree to the lie.……

    www.theguardian.com

    You can’t fight the Republican party’s ‘big lie’ with facts alone | Peter Pomerantsev

    Agreeing to Donald Trump’s claims about the ‘rigged’ 2020 election ensures your fealty by making you complicit
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
     
    Just lies on top of lies. These people are deranged. They shouldn’t be in any office of public trust.

     
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    This asshat continues his BS. Screw you and your negotiations...

    www.cnn.com

    Tuberville says he won’t relent on holds despite Israel’s war, claims he’s not hurting military readiness | CNN Politics

    Republican Senator Tommy Tuberville, who has had a hold on military promotions for the last nine months, slammed a proposal being floated to change the chamber’s rules to allow a vote on many of the nominations en-masse and attacked the White House and Senate Democrats for not negotiating with him.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
     
    Even local politics is nothing but lies from Republicans.

    Our local police department requested funds for a mental health expert to be put on each shift to help with the frequent calls involving people who can't deal with family members with Alzheimer's, elderly people who have mentally ill or disabled children who they can no longer handle, parents who can't handle unruly teens, etc.

    So democrats submitted a bill for the funds to a vote. The Republicans put it off to make it an election issue. They spun it by saying that the Democrats want to defund the police and that the money needs to be used for more police. The fop, ran with it.

    Then the police, fire department, local hospital and business owners submitted a petition to restrict vehicle traffic on the main road through town, add bike lanes, and make the area more walkable.

    The democrats put out a bill for a feasibility study.

    The Republicans are running with it by saying that the Democrats want to shut down the main road and direct traffic into neighborhoods and kill local businesses.
     
    Wasn’t sure what thread to put this in
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    LEESBURG, Va. — A proven way to get voters to the polls is to scare the daylights out of them. In the run-up to November’s elections for Virginia’s state legislature, Republicans and Democrats are doing a bang-up job spreading alarm, on the airways and everywhere else. The outcome hangs on which issue frightens voters the most.


    Joshua Cole, a Democrat running for the House of Delegates in the Fredericksburg area, says his doorstep conversations regularly focus on traffic, schools and the high barriers to affording a house. But he is under no illusions about what will decide the contest.
“It’s either abortion,” he told me, “or it’s crime.”

    Democrats are betting heavily on anger over the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision and apprehension over “MAGA extremists,” a staple in Democratic ads.


    In one of his commercials, Cole speaks of “fighting extremists who want to get between a woman and her doctor” and promises not “to let that happen.” The ad ends with Cole’s mother backing up his promise with the words: “Because my son was raised right.” Voters, says Cole, love his mom’s cameo. “It’s all they talk about.”


    For the GOP, crime is the unifying theme. Lee Peters, Cole’s opponent, claimed that Cole “stood with extremists who want to defund the police.” In an ad from Juan Pablo Segura, the Republican in a state Senate race centered in exurban Loudoun County, an actor playing a home burglar “thanks” Segura’s opponent, former Democratic prosecutor Russet Perry, for “making plea deals left and right” and allowing criminals to “walk easy.”…..

     
    Bigdaddysaints said:
    New Republican 10 commandments

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    It is wild that Republicans haven't put together any kind of coherent agenda since Romney ran in 2012. You see it here from conservatives posters. It's either reacting to Democrats legislation, or culture war nonsense. I couldn't even pretend that transgender bathroom visits were a serious issue that needed national discussion.
     

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