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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    superchuck500 said:
    Yes, and it's a shirt show. Wood basically relocated across the border, perhaps b/c he thinks SC is more friendly confines for whatever political future he sees for himself, but he's trying to take over the state GOP. The incumbent is a deep red guy but not a conspiracy populist. He's actually been in politics and lobbying for 30 years and has written books about effective political organizing. I'm hearing from someone who knows much more about state Republicans than I do that McKissick should be able to put Wood away easily - the question is how much damage does the 'chaos candidate' inflict. Wood is already making these (now-standard operations) Q-style veiled allegations about McKissick being involved with pornography (apparently an IP address for a site that used to be connected to McKissick but owned by a third-party web company is now porn, but that has nothing to do with McKissick, but Wood doesn't care about actual details).

    I'm afraid the GOP is going to see this repeated all over the country - as the party struggles to define just how much of the Trump/populist/delusion they're willing to (or forced to) embrace going forward.
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    Yep. A similar existential battle is coming in Louisiana in the GOP primary for governor.

    The GOP's problem has always been way bigger than Trump, and it's getting harder by the day for me to see how all of this ends well.
     
    Even if this guy was pro-Trump he may not have gotten many more votes (says he was a long shot anyways) but it's definitely a cautionary tale

    Defy and Disavow Trump at your own peril
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    Michael Wood's candidacy in this weekend's special election for Texas' 6th district was regarded as a potential canary in a coal mine.

    Wood, on paper, had all the sorts of attributes that Republican voters have long prized -- he's a Marine veteran and a small business owner.

    He was also, however, an outspoken critic of former President Donald Trump, and argued that the Republican Party needed to move beyond the 45th President in order to survive.

    It's that last attribute that drew so much national attention to Woods' candidacy. In a crowded field with most of the candidates vowing their unstinting support for Trump, could Woods cut through by tapping into dissatisfaction with Trump within the GOP? And if he did, was that a sign that Trump's grip on the GOP was slipping?

    Uh, no.

    Wood finished 9th. He got just over 2,500 votes -- good for 3.2% of the overall vote. Which, oomph.

    The leading candidate? Susan Wright, the widow of the late Texas Rep. Ron Wright, with 19%, who was personally endorsed by -- you guessed it -- Donald Trump. "Susan surged after I gave her an endorsement last week," tweeted the former president over the weekend. "Her wonderful husband is looking down, and is very proud of her!" (The other candidate who qualified for the July runoff was state Rep. Jake Ellzey, who also fashioned himself as a strong supporter of Trump.)

    Wood was unbowed in the wake if his dismal showing, releasing a statement that said in part:

    "I am gravely concerned about the state of the Republican Party. Let me be clear: this is not because I lost an election. I am concerned because a Republican President of the United States lied to the American people, took advantage of his supporters' noble patriotism, encouraged a mob to disrupt the lawful operations of the United States Congress, was derelict in his duty as commander-in-chief to put an end to this insurrection -- and then the overwhelming majority of elected Republicans in Congress failed to show the courage this moment required. Republican members of Congress then voted to overturn an election and attempted to disenfranchise millions of Americans. The events of January 6, 2021 are a stain on America. The failures of Republicans in the weeks that followed are a stain on the party of Abraham Lincoln."..............

     
    What happens to the Republican Party now? Here is hoping it dies a quick and very painful death. Sadly, due to the stupidity of far too much of the electorate that likely won't happen. If that is the case a Republican Party that splinters would be fine as a substitute.
     
    It won't die, it will simply be consumed by the far right/social issue extremists that have always made up a good 30-40% of the party but is a number that has grown significantly in the era of people like Hannity and Limbaugh.

    As much as it would be nice to see Liz Cheney be a formidable candidate in 2024, it is far far far more likely that either Trump himself or a proxy (DeSantis, Trump Jr., whoever) will win the GOP nomination in a rout. For the 'old guard' of Republicans like Cheney, Romney, Murkowski, Collins, etc. it will be the Fall of Saigon. And this is how the extreme beliefs of maybe 15-20% of the country gets foisted on the rest of us courtesy of an archaic and broken system of government.
     
    bird said:
    What happens to the Republican Party now? Here is hoping it dies a quick and very painful death. Sadly, due to the stupidity of far too much of the electorate that likely won't happen. If that is the case a Republican Party that splinters would be fine as a substitute.
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    See, some years ago I figured the tea party would goaway... a bunch of fringe lunatics believing in conspiracy theories? who would ever take them seriously? they'll be laughed out and... fast forward and it is like the tea party ate the republican party and grew bigger and stronger, and now that is mostly all there is left. Or will be very shortly once they push out the remaining few real republicans.
     
    SaulGoodmanEsq said:
    For the 'old guard' of Republicans like Cheney, Romney, Murkowski, Collins, etc. it will be the Fall of Saigon.
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    Yet the legacy of these "moderate Rs" won't be the things they did to stop the train, but rather the things they refused to do and say until it was too late. Consider how much power they still wield, but won't use...for what? Judges?
     
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    GrandAdmiral said:
    It is beyond insanity the come holds this man has on the Republican party and it definitely puts our democracy at risk.

    www.cnn.com

    Analysis: The GOP’s devotion to Trump threatens to destroy American democracy | CNN Politics

    With its cultish devotion to Donald Trump, the majority of the Republican Party is choosing a wannabe-autocrat over the political system that made the United States the world’s most powerful nation and its dominant democracy.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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    The confusion stems from a fundamental misunderstanding. While there are a few like Romney and Cheney who're interested in doing their jobs, the majority of the Republican party has no interest in governing. Nor in democracy.
    For them, the Trump Administration was a wet dream. Tax cuts for the rich, oppression of selected "others", the appointment of judges who're okay with that, deletion of as many regulations as possible and pretty much nothing else. That's all they want.

    Build bridges and schools? Fork that. Those things help people. Protect and uphold civil liberties? Only for straight, white Christians, thank you.
    The environment? Hahahaahaa! Kill it. Consumer protections? Yeah, you misspelled 'corporate' there. Global Warming? Covid-19? Those are imaginary.
    Once you understand that the GOP has zero interest in helping anyone but their corporate donors and that they've successfully trained their base to embrace that, everything falls into place.
     
    Taurus said:
    The confusion stems from a fundamental misunderstanding. While there are a few like Romney and Cheney who're interested in doing their jobs, the majority of the Republican party has no interest in governing. Nor in democracy.
    For them, the Trump Administration was a wet dream. Tax cuts for the rich, oppression of selected "others", the appointment of judges who're okay with that, deletion of as many regulations as possible and pretty much nothing else. That's all they want.

    Build bridges and schools? Fork that. Those things help people. Protect and uphold civil liberties? Only for straight, white Christians, thank you.
    The environment? Hahahaahaa! Kill it. Consumer protections? Yeah, you misspelled 'corporate' there. Global Warming? Covid-19? Those are imaginary.
    Once you understand that the GOP has zero interest in helping anyone but their corporate donors and that they've successfully trained their base to embrace that, everything falls into place.
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    We are hanging on by a thread and with trump cultist in charge in the states that swung the election, that thread is fraying. The sad thing about it is that there are not many things left that America as we've known it can do to prevent it. You have trump cultists controlled state governments passing laws designed to suppress voter turnout and it has been stated publicly by leaders of the trump cult that they have to pass these laws because that is the only way they can win.

    The number of Republicans who are NOT supporting the big lie are far too few to have any kind of impact unless they decide to just switch parties to give the Democrats the numbers they need to prevent them from turning this country over to trump...even if he's in jail.

    IMO, at this point, the only thing that will prevent the demise of the free United States of America is the demise of trump and the trump cult.
     
    Taurus said:
    Once you understand that the GOP has zero interest in helping anyone but their corporate donors and that they've successfully trained their base to embrace that, everything falls into place.
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    Most GOP voters don't seem to embrace the truth of what their party is. They are truly convinced the GOP fights for the working class, at least until you walk them through all the evidence to the contrary. If GOP voters embrace anything, it's the culture wars the GOP uses to distract from the harm the party inflicts on its constituents. That's not voters grappling with the party's true purpose. The right wing media spin cycle is designed to ensure they don't do that -- otherwise, the gig would be up.

    I strongly agree with your statement that the key to understanding the GOP is realizing their sole purpose is to help corporate donors. Once you see it, you simply can't unsee it. It was true before Trump; all Trump did was to give them permission to stop pretending to stand for anything else.
     
    I wonder why a lot of republicans are so against the 1619 project. This 1776 initiative seems to be a counter to the proposed 1619 one

     
    Saintamaniac said:
    We are hanging on by a thread and with trump cultist in charge in the states that swung the election, that thread is fraying. The sad thing about it is that there are not many things left that America as we've known it can do to prevent it. You have trump cultists controlled state governments passing laws designed to suppress voter turnout and it has been stated publicly by leaders of the trump cult that they have to pass these laws because that is the only way they can win.

    The number of Republicans who are NOT supporting the big lie are far too few to have any kind of impact unless they decide to just switch parties to give the Democrats the numbers they need to prevent them from turning this country over to trump...even if he's in jail.

    IMO, at this point, the only thing that will prevent the demise of the free United States of America is the demise of trump and the trump cult.
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    There are two paths that aren't mutually exclusive. Senate Democrats get Manchin and Sinema (or if people like Romney, Murkowski and Collins are genuinely what they claim to be then get them on board) in line with passing strict federal voting rights protections, including making political gerrymandering illegal. There are ways to bypass a Republican filibuster, they're just considered undesirable thanks to the norms Republicans already ignore.

    The second is up to SDNY/DOJ, and that's Trump going down with Giuliani or any of the rest of the Trump crime syndicate.

    If I were in Pelosi's position I would draw a clear line in the sand for Kevin McCarthy; You oust Liz Cheney while letting the likes of Matt Gaetz stick around, we use our majority to remove any Republican who votes yes from all committee seats. If you try to go around it by having a secret ballot we remove you all.

    The gloves have to come off. The next time this Republican party gains control will be the last. We will fall to fascism.
     
    Xeno said:
    There are two paths that aren't mutually exclusive. Senate Democrats get Manchin and Sinema (or if people like Romney, Murkowski and Collins are genuinely what they claim to be then get them on board) in line with passing strict federal voting rights protections, including making political gerrymandering illegal. There are ways to bypass a Republican filibuster, they're just considered undesirable thanks to the norms Republicans already ignore.

    The second is up to SDNY/DOJ, and that's Trump going down with Giuliani or any of the rest of the Trump crime syndicate.

    If I were in Pelosi's position I would draw a clear line in the sand for Kevin McCarthy; You oust Liz Cheney while letting the likes of Matt Gaetz stick around, we use our majority to remove any Republican who votes yes from all committee seats. If you try to go around it by having a secret ballot we remove you all.

    The gloves have to come off. The next time this Republican party gains control will be the last. We will fall to fascism.
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    While you may be right, I think a flipped House is quite likely. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 10-15 seat majority Republican House in 2022. I'm not as sure about what the Senate will do though.

    2024 is going to be the line in the sand, imo. If Trump gets elected, I'm moving out the country. No joke. Probably Korea since that's where my wife is from. By then, we'll be empty nesters, so it's probably doable.
     
    DaveXA said:
    While you may be right, I think a flipped House is quite likely. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 10-15 seat majority Republican House in 2022. I'm not as sure about what the Senate will do though.

    2024 is going to be the line in the sand, imo. If Trump gets elected, I'm moving out the country. No joke. Probably Korea since that's where my wife is from. By then, we'll be empty nesters, so it's probably doable.
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    Can I come with you?
     
    The U.S. is in a decaying orbit from which it cannot be saved. As mentioned, politics is little more than a culture war now. I don't see any way the Democrats win the Presidency in 2024 and they will most likely lose control of the House. They'll probably hold on to the Senate but they need 51 seats. I'm trying to think long-term in how that will effect the markets/investments/real estate/etc. Seriously consider converting my savings into gold, silver, or diamonds.

    Trump removed any pretense of bi-partisanship or decency -- there is no restoring that.
     

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