What happens to the Republican Party now? (16 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

You really have a crystal ball do you? What about the crazy Repub mindset, is that going away with Trump? DeSantis and his ilk (Abbott) are just as bad.....

You have no idea what you are talking about, about the only way Trump doesn't get the nomination is if he dies from a heart attack before the election (which I hope for), he is finally held accountable for his crimes, or he decides not to run on his on volition......

Disagree.
Won't spend much effort debating you.
Time will tell.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I sure hope that you are right about Trump, but I don’t believe it yet. Sununu already has walked his comments back a bit by saying he was joking. I just don’t see any other R politicians joining Cheney and Kinzinger, while I do see moderates retiring. The decision by the RNC to withdraw from presidential debates for the first time in 40 years or so tells me they expect Trump to be the nominee.

No. That debate decision has nothing to do with Trump. That has been discussed for 2 years. RNC is not against debates. They are against THAT organization overseeing the debates. It is THEIR OPINION that what they are withdrawing from favors the Democrats....that Presidential Debates Organization (according to the RNC) is not impartial. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say if that is true or not. I'm just passing along their reasoning.
I watched a discussion on this topic on Fox....maybe a year or more ago. The RNC guest said what I just passed on to you...and then went on to say that they would seek out and offer another organization to oversee the debates. IF, if if...the Democrats and the Republicans can agree on such an alternative organization.

 

[Taurus]

Here is an article showing that even though you liberals are in the majority on this thread...your point of view will not prevail this November...

Biden and Democrats Should Be Absolutely Terrified by New Poll Numbers

Mario Tama/GettyIn Ernest Hemingway’s The Sun Also Rises, a character is asked how he went bankrupt. “Gradually, then suddenly” is the reply.This formulation might also help explain how it feels to lose an election. President Joe Biden’s collapse of popular support has been so long coming that a...

www.yahoo.com

This is not news. The DNC couldn't sell fire to Eskimos.

 

[bird]

No. That debate decision has nothing to do with Trump. That has been discussed for 2 years. RNC is not against debates. They are against THAT organization overseeing the debates. It is THEIR OPINION that what they are withdrawing from favors the Democrats....that Presidential Debates Organization (according to the RNC) is not impartial. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say if that is true or not. I'm just passing along their reasoning.
I watched a discussion on this topic on Fox....maybe a year or more ago. The RNC guest said what I just passed on to you...and then went on to say that they would seek out and offer another organization to oversee the debates. IF, if if...the Democrats and the Republicans can agree on such a alternative organization.

Flock the whiny-azz Republican snowflakes.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

No. That debate decision has nothing to do with Trump. That has been discussed for 2 years. RNC is not against debates. They are against THAT organization overseeing the debates. It is THEIR OPINION that what they are withdrawing from favors the Democrats....that Presidential Debates Organization (according to the RNC) is not impartial. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say if that is true or not. I'm just passing along their reasoning.
I watched a discussion on this topic on Fox....maybe a year or more ago. The RNC guest said what I just passed on to you...and then went on to say that they would seek out and offer another organization to oversee the debates. IF, if if...the Democrats and the Republicans can agree on such a alternative organization.

Right, however, it's up to the nominees themselves, not the RNC. Any nominee can debate in any debate, run by any organization, he/she wants.

 

[Optimus Prime]

And even if that’s true about abandoning Trump what about Trumpism?

What about all the elected politicians and candidates spewing vile hateful things, crazy conspiracy theories, blatant lies and calls for violence?

The only reason McCarthy semi slammed Madison Cawthorn for the coke fueled orgies was he said it was Republican

If he had said it was Democrats holding secret drug & sex parties I doubt McCarthy would have said anything about it

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Right, however, it's up to the nominees themselves, not the RNC. Any nominee can debate in any debate, run by any organization, he/she wants.

Ok. Yet often the party that does not occupy the White House will have a dozen or more candidates at the first debate. Some of them with no name recognition. Maybe those candidates will not want to buck party leadership and go on a debate stage that is declared as "biased". I'm not interested in defending the RNC...I'm just throwing this out there for your consideration.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Ok. Yet often the party that does not occupy the White House will have a dozen or more candidates at the first debate. Some of them with no name recognition. Maybe those candidates will not want to buck party leadership and go on a debate stage that is declared as "biased". I'm not interested in defending the RNC...I'm just throwing this out there for your consideration.

I would assume it will depend on what the nominee thinks will benefit him/her. If it benefits them to play along with the RNC, they will. If they think it benefits them to go out on their own, they will. Except for Trump, I suspect they will go out on their own. But that's just conjecture at this point in time.

 

[Optimus Prime]

More on the debates
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The Republican Party has just offered us a glimpse of the hell they’re going to put us all through in 2024. What might appear to be a petty argument about the conditions under which general election debates will or won’t be held is actually much more.


The Republican National Committee on Thursday voted unanimously to withdraw from the Commission on Presidential Debates, which has organized general election debates since the 1980s.

The RNC will also require primary candidates to sign a pledge not to join any debate not approved by the party. Party chair Ronna McDaniel said the Republican nominee should not be “forced to go through the biased CPD to make their case to the American people.”


The likely result in 2024 is that for the first time since 1972 (when President Richard M. Nixon refused to face George McGovern), there will be a presidential vote with no general election debates.

On the surface, this is about protecting Donald Trump, who will almost certainly be the Republican nominee if he chooses to run, from the consequences of a disastrous debate.

But it’s also a sign that the Republican strategy will again feature chaotic, Trumpian whining that is meant to delegitimize the entire presidential campaign process from start to finish, culminating in an attempt to take back the White House by theft if the voters don’t vote the “right” way.

Let’s remember that while Trump performed well in the 2016 primary debates when he was on stage with a collection of empty suits, he did poorly in every one of his debates with Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

By the fall of 2024, he’ll be 78 years old; the idea that he’ll be more disciplined and focused than he was in the past is far-fetched. Everything Americans dislike about him would be on vivid display in a debate, before the largest audience the candidates will have.

If Republicans announce now, two-and-a-half years in advance, that they’re refusing to participate in the debates, it could save them a last-minute act of cowardice.

But the more important reason they’re doing this is to reinforce the idea that every institution and practice associated with the presidential campaign must be considered corrupt and biased against Trump and therefore illegitimate, whether it’s the news media, the debates, maybe even the weather — and especially the vote counting…….

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[SteveSBrickNJ]

More on the debates
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The Republican Party has just offered us a glimpse of the hell they’re going to put us all through in 2024. What might appear to be a petty argument about the conditions under which general election debates will or won’t be held is actually much more.


The Republican National Committee on Thursday voted unanimously to withdraw from the Commission on Presidential Debates, which has organized general election debates since the 1980s.

The RNC will also require primary candidates to sign a pledge not to join any debate not approved by the party. Party chair Ronna McDaniel said the Republican nominee should not be “forced to go through the biased CPD to make their case to the American people.”


The likely result in 2024 is that for the first time since 1972 (when President Richard M. Nixon refused to face George McGovern), there will be a presidential vote with no general election debates.

On the surface, this is about protecting Donald Trump, who will almost certainly be the Republican nominee if he chooses to run, from the consequences of a disastrous debate.

But it’s also a sign that the Republican strategy will again feature chaotic, Trumpian whining that is meant to delegitimize the entire presidential campaign process from start to finish, culminating in an attempt to take back the White House by theft if the voters don’t vote the “right” way.

Let’s remember that while Trump performed well in the 2016 primary debates when he was on stage with a collection of empty suits, he did poorly in every one of his debates with Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.

By the fall of 2024, he’ll be 78 years old; the idea that he’ll be more disciplined and focused than he was in the past is far-fetched. Everything Americans dislike about him would be on vivid display in a debate, before the largest audience the candidates will have.

If Republicans announce now, two-and-a-half years in advance, that they’re refusing to participate in the debates, it could save them a last-minute act of cowardice.

But the more important reason they’re doing this is to reinforce the idea that every institution and practice associated with the presidential campaign must be considered corrupt and biased against Trump and therefore illegitimate, whether it’s the news media, the debates, maybe even the weather — and especially the vote counting…….

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www.washingtonpost.com

Great points. Presented in such a persuasive manner. I have no come back for most of what you said.
The only thing I might point out goes along with your reference to 2024 Trump being 78 years old and not sharp.
Biden was not sharp in 2020 and in 2024 he'll be 81. Google states President Buden is currently 79.
See, I don't want either of these 78 or 81 year olds to be President from 2024 until 2028.
Remember JFK? Where are the JFKs of our current age? Have we no 45 to 60 year olds that are both qualified and interesting to the voters?
Can we please have a nominee whose age is below 70?

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Only thing stopping Trump from being the nominee is Trump himself. And even if he decides not to run, he will most likely be replaced by a proxy equally as worse. The GOP is basically opting out of presidential debates. They will say any neutral arbiter is unacceptable and offer organizations like Newsmax or Right Side Broadcasting. The culture war will continue. We are not going to see a traditional/fiscal conservative Republican nominee for a long long time.

Re: the age thing, it's more of an issue of how mentally sharp someone is rather than chronology. Bernie is older than both of them (I think) and he's still sharp as a tack. Hell, William Shatner is 90 and still on a roll (albeit an actor and Canadian!). Reagan was obviously showing signs of decline in his later years in office and while I wouldn't go so far as to call him a great President from a policy perspective, he was a great man who at least put forth a demonstrable effort to unite the country. Trump has no such qualities. Neither does DeSantis. Neither does Cruz. Neither does pretty much the other half dozen or so Trump-acolytes that are currently in early 2024 primary polls.

The sad reality is people like Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, or Chris Sununu wouldn't garner more than 5% (if that) in the GOP primaries.

 

[DaveXA]

Only thing stopping Trump from being the nominee is Trump himself. And even if he decides not to run, he will most likely be replaced by a proxy equally as worse. The GOP is basically opting out of presidential debates. They will say any neutral arbiter is unacceptable and offer organizations like Newsmax or Right Side Broadcasting. The culture war will continue. We are not going to see a traditional/fiscal conservative Republican nominee for a long long time.

Re: the age thing, it's more of an issue of how mentally sharp someone is rather than chronology. Bernie is older than both of them (I think) and he's still sharp as a tack. Hell, William Shatner is 90 and still on a roll (albeit an actor and Canadian!). Reagan was obviously showing signs of decline in his later years in office and while I wouldn't go so far as to call him a great President from a policy perspective, he was a great man who at least put forth a demonstrable effort to unite the country. Trump has no such qualities. Neither does DeSantis. Neither does Cruz. Neither does pretty much the other half dozen or so Trump-acolytes that are currently in early 2024 primary polls.

The sad reality is people like Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, or Chris Sununu wouldn't garner more than 5% (if that) in the GOP primaries.

Yep, the Republican Party opened the floodgates of Trumpian partisan politics which is orders of magnitude worse than anything we've evet seen in the long history of the party. It's not the type of politics I can ever get on board with. There are currently more Hawleys and MTGs than there are Romneys and Liz Cheneys in the Republican Party.

I was dumbfounded as to how little support Kasich had in the 2016 primaries. Moderate or centrist Republicans are a rare breed these days.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

When I first returned from Vietnam I blamed LBJ for the senseless war. Then I realized it was the people who elected the rootin' tootin' cowboy that was to blame. If Trump or a Trump alike gets elected America will only have itself to blame, not Trump, the DNC, or any chaos that enables them.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

When I first returned from Vietnam I blamed LBJ for the senseless war. Then I realized it was the people who elected the rootin' tootin' cowboy that were to blame. If Trump or a Trump alike gets elected America will only have itself to blame, not Trump, the DNC, or any chaos that enables them.

Just like America is blaming itself for electing Biden. Historic inflation. I went to Walmart yesterday. It is 7 minutes farther from my home than some other stores but I wanted to save money. Yet there is no escaping it. Prices are crazy.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

The euro area annual inflation rate was 5.9% in February 2022, up from 5.1% in January. A year earlier, the rate was 0.9%. European Union annual inflation was 6.2% in February 2022, up from 5.6% in January. A year earlier, the rate was 1.3%

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/docum...P-EN.pdf/7bd82074-c752-a9bf-dfce-8e9b4eaf666e

 

[bird]

When I first returned from Vietnam I blamed LBJ for the senseless war. Then I realized it was the people who elected the rootin' tootin' cowboy that was to blame. If Trump or a Trump alike gets elected America will only have itself to blame, not Trump, the DNC, or any chaos that enables them.

Please see Bird’s Theorem.

 

[bird]

Just like America is blaming itself for electing Biden. Historic inflation. I went to Walmart yesterday. It is 7 minutes farther from my home than some other stores but I wanted to save money. Yet there is no escaping it. Prices are crazy.

Biden and his policies have nothing to do with inflation. Inflation is an economic term of art applied to mask a greed/fear psychological response. Much like the lie of the so-called law of supply and demand. Humans make decisions. The phrase “let the market decide” is meaningless. Humans make decisions. Producers wielding high power due to concentration of supply and middlemen add whatever they can get away with. The rise in prices is to recoup lost revenue due to the impact of the pandemic as well as the excuse of the invasion of Ukraine.

There is profit in chaos.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Just like America is blaming itself for electing Biden. Historic inflation. I went to Walmart yesterday. It is 7 minutes farther from my home than some other stores but I wanted to save money. Yet there is no escaping it. Prices are crazy.

It's simple minded to blame Biden or any sitting President for this current rise in inflation. If you cannot see this problem is a global one due to multiple global crises then that's on you. The supply chain is broken due to the GLOBAL pandemic which also exacerbated the trucker shortages we already had. Add to that epically stupid Russian "special operation" in Ukraine which has caused gas prices to rise.

So, yeah, it's stupid to believe that we would be immune to all of these global events and that any POTUS can shield us from the inevitable rise in prices. I, for one, will not be basing my future votes off of the current state of inflation, it will be based off of whether that person is for democracy or against it and the Republican party has shown me time and time again that they are not.