What happens to the Democratic Party now? (3 Viewers)

[Heathen]

I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..

2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogue

Harris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House depending on results the next few days…..

What went wrong?
What could’ve been done better?
What can we change in the future to ensure voters are motivated like they were when Obama was elected?

Democrats have no choice but to admit there’s a huge problem with some aspect of their platform— and to do a deep introspection of what’s going wrong..

 

[MT15]

Yeah, her Covid stance is stupid. Like moronic.

 

[MT15]

No one gets the vaccine anymore? If your doctor doesn’t get the vaccine, find a new one immediately. If your nurse doesn’t get the vaccine find a new one immediately.

Everyone I know that is in a high risk group continues to get the vaccine. My doctor encourages it. Most people should still be getting the vaccine.

 

[Dragon]

Well, 2 things:
First, my point in general is that she is better at having her finger on the pulse of the US than her party writ large. Looking back, I think general consensus is that we probably overdid it with COVID for too long, particularly with schools, but also mandating the firings of otherwise competent people in the military and medical professions.
You may not agree but I think the fact that no one gets the vaccine anymore kind of backs up the general sentiment.

Second, I may be wrong but I believe COVID was pretty unique in there being a federal requirement for vaccinated medical workers. States and hospitals can have their own rules of course, and I fully get the immediate response to a pandemic with regulations, but at some point, especially in 2023, that time had passed.

No not if it is in any way like here. Mandatory yearly vaccines has been standard for many years. You don't want medical personel infecting vulnerable patients with the flu or Covid which potentially could kill them. And all medical personel must have a certification of all the standard childhood vaccines as welll.

The fact is that Covid is still around and still killing people - believe it or not. The newest strain is even able to circumvent the older types of covid vaccines.

 

[porculator]

No not if it is in any way like here. Mandatory yearly vaccines has been standard for many years. You don't want medical personel infecting vulnerable patients with the flu or Covid which potentially could kill them. And all medical personel must have a certification of all the standard childhood vaccines as welll.

The fact is that Covid is still around and still killing people - believe it or not. The newest strain is even able to circumvent the older types of covid vaccines.

Its not like there

Again, big difference between federal mandates and local/hospital requirements. If you are in bumfuck South Dakota and half your doctors are conspiracy theorists that are going to quit if you make them get the shot, but are also really good at their jobs, what is better for the community's health?

Sure maybe it is just political but politics are local, and Americans in general hate federal overreach.

There was a lot of herd mentality during the Biden years among the democratic party. You have to recognize those who were willing to go against the grain to be more where their constituents are, particularly when they get a historic landslide victory.

 

[Dragon]

Its not like there

Again, big difference between federal mandates and local/hospital requirements. If you are in bumfuck South Dakota and half your doctors are conspiracy theorists that are going to quit if you make them get the shot, but are also really good at their jobs, what is better for the community's health?

Sure maybe it is just political but politics are local, and Americans in general hate federal overreach.

There was a lot of herd mentality during the Biden years among the democratic party. You have to recognize those who were willing to go against the grain to be more where their constituents are, particularly when they get a historic landslide victory.

Infectious illnesses do not care if you are republican, Maga or democrat...

Healthcare personel deal with sick people - that is people whose immune system is compromised by illness. And you support unvaccinated medical personel treating those?
Vaccine is not herd mentallity - it is about protecting people from serious illness.

"Fun" (and sad) statistic

In this cohort study evaluating 538 159 deaths in individuals aged 25 years and older in Florida and Ohio between March 2020 and December 2021, excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before. These differences were concentrated in counties with lower vaccination rates, and primarily noted in voters residing in Ohio.

Meaning The differences in excess mortality by political party affiliation after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults suggest that differences in vaccination attitudes and reported uptake between Republican and Democratic voters may have been a factor in the severity and trajectory of the pandemic in the US.

Overall, the excess death rate for Republican voters was 2.8 percentage points, or 15%, higher than the excess death rate for Democratic voters (95% prediction interval [PI], 1.6-3.7 percentage points). After May 1, 2021, when vaccines were available to all adults, the excess death rate gap between Republican and Democratic voters widened from −0.9 percentage point (95% PI, −2.5 to 0.3 percentage points) to 7.7 percentage points (95% PI, 6.0-9.3 percentage points) in the adjusted analysis; the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617

 

[Dragon]

IAgain, big difference between federal mandates and local/hospital requirements. If you are in bumfuck South Dakota and half your doctors are conspiracy theorists that are going to quit if you make them get the shot, but are also really good at their jobs, what is better for the community's health?

If they are really good at their jobs they would be vaccinated. Protecting people from harm IS a federal mandate and NOT an overeach..

 

[DaveXA]

Infectious illnesses do not care if you are republican, Maga or democrat...

Healthcare personel deal with sick people - that is people whose immune system is compromised by illness. And you support unvaccinated medical personel treating those?
Vaccine is not herd mentallity - it is about protecting people from serious illness.

"Fun" (and sad) statistic

In this cohort study evaluating 538 159 deaths in individuals aged 25 years and older in Florida and Ohio between March 2020 and December 2021, excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before. These differences were concentrated in counties with lower vaccination rates, and primarily noted in voters residing in Ohio.

Meaning The differences in excess mortality by political party affiliation after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults suggest that differences in vaccination attitudes and reported uptake between Republican and Democratic voters may have been a factor in the severity and trajectory of the pandemic in the US.

Overall, the excess death rate for Republican voters was 2.8 percentage points, or 15%, higher than the excess death rate for Democratic voters (95% prediction interval [PI], 1.6-3.7 percentage points). After May 1, 2021, when vaccines were available to all adults, the excess death rate gap between Republican and Democratic voters widened from −0.9 percentage point (95% PI, −2.5 to 0.3 percentage points) to 7.7 percentage points (95% PI, 6.0-9.3 percentage points) in the adjusted analysis; the excess death rate among Republican voters was 43% higher than the excess death rate among Democratic voters.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617

Yeah, there’s plenty of good evidence that Covid is still impacting a significant number of people and it still hasn’t gone away. No question we should be cognizant of that and act accordingly.

 

[Dragon]

Yeah, there’s plenty of good evidence that Covid is still impacting a significant number of people and it still hasn’t gone away. No question we should be cognizant of that and act accordingly.

I got my COVID booster along with this year’s flu vaccine last week. It isn’t legally mandated here, but most people choose to get both because it’s a normal part of public health culture. In sectors like healthcare, elder care, schools, and childcare, vaccination is required for adults, since these employees work closely with vulnerable groups. It’s seen less as a political statement and more as a shared responsibility to protect the people we care for.

 

[RobF]

half your doctors are conspiracy theorists that are going to quit if you make them get the shot, but are also really good at their jobs,

That Venn diagram is two separate circles.

 

[porculator]

Jeepers I sure hit a nerve on my first post this year!

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news guys but the vax requirement was removed in 2023 several months after Gov elect Spanberger voted against it, so I'm glad to see everyone is still alive and well!

How about all the other stuff? Y'all ok with that?

 

[DaveXA]

Jeepers I sure hit a nerve on my first post this year!

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news guys but the vax requirement was removed in 2023 several months after Gov elect Spanberger voted against it, so I'm glad to see everyone is still alive and well!

How about all the other stuff? Y'all ok with that?

No one is saying it should be required of the general public. It should be required of appropriate public facing medical professionals imo. The hospitals and other locations do set their own policies and I’m good with that.

As for the other stuff, I tend to agree for the most part.

 

[MT15]

Jeepers I sure hit a nerve on my first post this year!

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news guys but the vax requirement was removed in 2023 several months after Gov elect Spanberger voted against it, so I'm glad to see everyone is still alive and well!

How about all the other stuff? Y'all ok with that?

We are all still getting the vaccine - your comment that nobody gets it any longer was simply not true and your comment that health professionals shouldn’t be required to get it is ill advised.

I’m glad she got elected but caving to anti-vaxxers isn’t a good look for her, imo.

 

[MT15]

This is the map for one of the 2 state wide elections in GA that went for a Democrat. This was for the state utility commission as I understand it. What to notice is that rural counties flipped blue on this issue. Counties along the border with FL, SC and AL borders flipped blue.

 

[TampaJoe]

No one is saying it should be required of the general public. It should be required of appropriate public facing medical professionals imo. The hospitals and other locations do set their own policies and I’m good with that.

As for the other stuff, I tend to agree for the most part.

Agreed as far as vax mandates are concerned re: folks who deal with high risk individuals as part of their job. I support vaccinations but don’t believe we should mandate vaccinations as a rule with the general population.

 

[porculator]

This is the map for one of the 2 state wide elections in GA that went for a Democrat. This was for the state utility commission as I understand it. What to notice is that rural counties flipped blue on this issue. Counties along the border with FL, SC and AL borders flipped blue.

This seems like one of the rare opportunities for the public to push back on the two sided reaming that utility companies and big tech have been forcing on us. No one wants a data center in their back yard to begin with, but forcing the public to pay higher rates due to increased demand while the tech companies hit trillions in value is just so far beyond the pale. Republicans have always been either too lazy or too corrupt to recognize the difference between free market and crony capitalism, and somehow they get away with it in more than half the country. Very encouraging to see the people waking up to the BS.

 

[MT15]