What happens to the Democratic Party now? (3 Viewers)

[Heathen]

I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..

2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogue

Harris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House depending on results the next few days…..

What went wrong?
What could’ve been done better?
What can we change in the future to ensure voters are motivated like they were when Obama was elected?

Democrats have no choice but to admit there’s a huge problem with some aspect of their platform— and to do a deep introspection of what’s going wrong..

 

[Heathen]

Which has really nothing to do with the story. She voted for her self-interest over the good of her constituents. It wasn’t due to some political ideology. It was greed. IMO, you’re seeing what you want to see here.

It has everything to do with the story.

Any Democrat who votes to clearly and significantly weaken worker rights in any capacity and align with the GOP instead is a liability to the party.

It's very odd that you proclaim that this is all self-interest and has nothing to do with political position when Raybould literally outlines her political thought process for voting this way in the article. She (paraphrasing) said that she's concerned that the measure isn't practical in creating balanced policy and could threaten business viability.

 

[Heathen]

"increasingly untenable liability" - Is it, though, in a state like Nebraska? I haven't followed the story, so maybe she's facing intense backlash locally, but I think it still gets downplayed just how much the battleground for Democrats varies greatly depending on location. Far less so for Republicans. That's going to present a lot of conflicting policy positions, and differing political vulnerability, across the country.

Bernie Sanders wouldn't be able to win a statewide election in Louisiana. John Bel Edwards did. Somehow, Democrats have to figure out how to work more successfully with the much more complicated political realities they face.

I do think that leading much more strongly with working class economics has to be the path forward, but that's still going to be complicated by a wide mix of special interests needing to be heard and represented.

I'm not defending Raybould's vote on merit.

Yes, it is IMO.

In this specific example, she could have been the one to keep the bill from advancing, joining 14 other Democrats in the state. Seems they were all able to vote in favor of this without fear of reprieve.

If anything, the vulnerability for Raybould may come from the opposite way (Democrat voters).

 

[MT15]

It has everything to do with the story.

Any Democrat who votes to clearly and significantly weaken worker rights in any capacity and align with the GOP instead is a liability to the party.

It's very odd that you proclaim that this is all self-interest and has nothing to do with political position when Raybould literally outlines her political thought process for voting this way in the article. She (paraphrasing) said that she's concerned that the measure isn't practical in creating balanced policy and could threaten business viability.

That sounds like a thinly veiled excuse for self-interest, at least to me.

I know we differ on ideological purity. Edit: I think I misread Heathen’s post.

I won’t pretend to know the ins and outs of this particular bill. But I have seen legislation from either side of the aisle do more harm than good in the past. It’s not always clear in the moment what the consequences of a particular bill will be.

 

[Incumbent]

Yes, it is IMO.

In this specific example, she could have been the one to keep the bill from advancing, joining 14 other Democrats in the state. Seems they were all able to vote in favor of this without fear of reprieve.

If anything, the vulnerability for Raybould may come from the opposite way (Democrat voters).

Again, I'm not defending her vote. I responded to your comment that centrism is an "untenable liability" by noting the complex ideological landscape that Democrats have to operate in.

You used this specific vote to make a broader point, to which I responded.

 

[Heathen]

Again, I'm not defending her vote. I responded to your comment that centrism is an "untenable liability" by noting the complex ideological landscape that Democrats have to operate in.

You used this specific vote to make a broader point, to which I responded.

I suppose that we see the problem differently.

I believe my broader point had some validity to it, especially considering the many instances where we have seen Democrats breaking to side with Republicans on decidedly anti-worker, anti-middle class policy in a time where this is happening faster than can be reasonably undone by future leaders.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Goes to that quote I’ve posted before

People would rather follow someone who is ‘strong but wrong’ vs ‘weak but right’

‘Oh, he’s wrong about everything but dammit is he confident about it!’
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American men are turning away from the Democratic party because they believe their issues are being ignored while also being in a “no-win” situation about the meaning of modern masculinity, new research has found.

Hot-button topics, such as economic anxiety in combination with uncertainty over cultural issues, have led to a crisis among male voters, according to a study carried out by the SAM project (Speaking with American Men).

It was previously reported that Democrats have spent $20 million on the project, with donors and strategists being holed up in luxury hotel rooms brainstorming how to convince working-class men to return to the party.

The SAM project aims to “study the syntax, language and content that gains attention and virality in these spaces.”

Preliminary results, shared with Politico, show that “Democrats are seen as weak, whereas Republicans are seen as strong,” according to Ilyse Hogue, co-founder of the SAM project……..

Men say Democrats ignore their issues and muddle the definition of being a ‘man’

Hot-button topics like economic anxiety in combination with uncertainty over cultural issues have led to a crisis within male voters, according to the SAM project

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Dragon]

Goes to that quote I’ve posted before

People would rather follow someone who is ‘strong but wrong’ vs ‘weak but right’

‘Oh, he’s wrong about everything but dammit is he confident about it!’
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American men are turning away from the Democratic party because they believe their issues are being ignored while also being in a “no-win” situation about the meaning of modern masculinity, new research has found.

Hot-button topics, such as economic anxiety in combination with uncertainty over cultural issues, have led to a crisis among male voters, according to a study carried out by the SAM project (Speaking with American Men).

It was previously reported that Democrats have spent $20 million on the project, with donors and strategists being holed up in luxury hotel rooms brainstorming how to convince working-class men to return to the party.

The SAM project aims to “study the syntax, language and content that gains attention and virality in these spaces.”

Preliminary results, shared with Politico, show that “Democrats are seen as weak, whereas Republicans are seen as strong,” according to Ilyse Hogue, co-founder of the SAM project……..

Men say Democrats ignore their issues and muddle the definition of being a ‘man’

Hot-button topics like economic anxiety in combination with uncertainty over cultural issues have led to a crisis within male voters, according to the SAM project

www.independent.co.uk

The real question we need to ask isn’t just why some American men are turning away from the Democratic Party—but what they perceive as strength and weakness in the first place. Is “strength” defined by dominance, control, and traditional gender roles? And is “weakness” seen as collaboration, inclusiveness, or acknowledging the struggles of others—especially women and marginalized communities?

For generations, being a white male in America came with an invisible head start. Now that women are excelling in education, people of color are demanding equity, and long-overdue conversations about gender, race, and identity are finally happening, some men see this shift not as progress—but as a personal loss. That’s the heart of the issue: how do you convince those who have long benefited from unacknowledged privilege that equality isn’t a threat, but a necessary correction? That sharing opportunity isn’t the same as losing it?

There’s no doubt that many men—especially working-class men—face real struggles: economic insecurity, mental health crises, a loss of identity in a changing job market. But instead of addressing those issues with compassion and policy, Republicans offer them the illusion of strength through grievance politics: blame immigrants, mock “wokeness,” attack women’s rights. It’s empty, but emotionally potent. Meanwhile, Democrats need to get better at telling a story that includes men in the vision of a just, modern society—not by pandering to outdated ideals of masculinity, but by showing that dignity, purpose, and strength can coexist with fairness, empathy, and progress.

The real cultural reckoning isn’t about whether men have a place. It’s about what kind of men our society values—and what kind of people we all aspire to be.

 

[t_rav_82]

Goes to that quote I’ve posted before

People would rather follow someone who is ‘strong but wrong’ vs ‘weak but right’

‘Oh, he’s wrong about everything but dammit is he confident about it!’
=======================


American men are turning away from the Democratic party because they believe their issues are being ignored while also being in a “no-win” situation about the meaning of modern masculinity, new research has found.

Hot-button topics, such as economic anxiety in combination with uncertainty over cultural issues, have led to a crisis among male voters, according to a study carried out by the SAM project (Speaking with American Men).

It was previously reported that Democrats have spent $20 million on the project, with donors and strategists being holed up in luxury hotel rooms brainstorming how to convince working-class men to return to the party.

The SAM project aims to “study the syntax, language and content that gains attention and virality in these spaces.”

Preliminary results, shared with Politico, show that “Democrats are seen as weak, whereas Republicans are seen as strong,” according to Ilyse Hogue, co-founder of the SAM project……..

Men say Democrats ignore their issues and muddle the definition of being a ‘man’

Hot-button topics like economic anxiety in combination with uncertainty over cultural issues have led to a crisis within male voters, according to the SAM project

www.independent.co.uk

how does that square with taco trump.... who's wrong and weak? More facetious than a real question.

 

[MT15]

Yeah, I truly don’t get how people think he’s strong. He’s a weak little man. Nothing but a tin pot bully who always punches down.

 

[bird]

Basically the whole masculinity/young men 18-29 supporting Trump is not and never has been directly about politics. It is about a toxic society that is, rather, was, undergoing tectonic upheaval. It is about not being allowed to be a bag of d!cks. The maturation of men lags behind women, imo. That doesn’t mean that women can be as childishly stupid as men (see: Boebert, Blackburn, Ernst and Empty Greene) as they certainly can be. Imo, it means men must learn which includes being taught not to be bags of d!cks. They just don’t like it.

 

[Neworleansfan]

This is a shocker.

Karine Jean-Pierre, Biden’s former press secretary, says she’s now an independent | CNN Politics

Karine Jean-Pierre, who served as White House press secretary under former President Joe Biden, has switched her party affiliation to independent, according to a publishing company’s description of her forthcoming book.

www.cnn.com

 

[bird]

This is a shocker.

Karine Jean-Pierre, Biden’s former press secretary, says she’s now an independent | CNN Politics

Karine Jean-Pierre, who served as White House press secretary under former President Joe Biden, has switched her party affiliation to independent, according to a publishing company’s description of her forthcoming book.

www.cnn.com

Grifting.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

This is a shocker.

Karine Jean-Pierre, Biden’s former press secretary, says she’s now an independent | CNN Politics

Karine Jean-Pierre, who served as White House press secretary under former President Joe Biden, has switched her party affiliation to independent, according to a publishing company’s description of her forthcoming book.

www.cnn.com

Blind loyalty to Biden. Shame.

 

[MT15]

Blind loyalty to Biden. Shame.

Is that true? I had the impression she was peddling a tell-all book about the period between the debate and when Biden dropped out of the race. I didn’t think Biden was happy about it. I could be wrong though.