What happens to the Democratic Party now? (2 Viewers)

[Heathen]

I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..

2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogue

Harris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House depending on results the next few days…..

What went wrong?
What could’ve been done better?
What can we change in the future to ensure voters are motivated like they were when Obama was elected?

Democrats have no choice but to admit there’s a huge problem with some aspect of their platform— and to do a deep introspection of what’s going wrong..

 

[Dragon]

Who decides if the life of the mother is at risk? In Texas, the government interprets it as being "literally on the doorstep of death." By that point, the woman is already in critical condition. For example, Amanda Zurawski, a Texas woman, developed sepsis after doctors delayed treating her miscarriage because her fetus still had cardiac activity. They feared prosecution under Texas law, which only allows abortion if the mother's life is at immediate risk. Zurawski survived but now faces severe reproductive complications. Tragically, there have been at least four reported deaths caused by similar delays in care due to this legal uncertainty.

The laws surrounding the "life of the mother" exception are extremely vague, leaving medical professionals uncertain about when they can legally intervene. This uncertainty also raises serious concerns about the mother’s health. Many women have lost their ability to have children because doctors, fearing legal repercussions, waited too long to act. For example, in cases like Lauren Miller, a Florida woman who was denied timely care for a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy, the delay led to permanent damage to her reproductive system.

These laws not only endanger lives but also strip women of their reproductive autonomy and access to timely, life-saving care.

 

[SamAndreas]

Shove your MAGA crap where the sun don't shine.
The following states have no restrictions on when an abortion can occur.
Vermont, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Colorado, Alaska, New Mexico, and Oregon.
If the intent was to restrict in some way, why don't their laws state it? Does that make sense to you when other states do restrict by time?
I would like to see it codified by Congress that no late term abortion occurs unless the health of the mother is at stake, and that a woman can receive an abortion in any state instead of these piecemeal, state-by-state laws.

Texan, I don't know how much of it is still in place in Colorado, but in the past Colorado used hospital boards to allow for some individual county by county local rule to take place regarding medicine.

In the past those hospital boards decided about abortions in an individual case by case basis, they even decided about vasectomies, on an individual basis.

My father had to apply to get his done, they ruled it OK in his case, he had three healthy children. He was allowed to cut his own tubes being how he had already had three, (have a doctor do it of course), but he got to decide.

After they decided it was OK that he could decide.

 

[brandon]

You may very well support some or all Democratic Party positions. That doesn't equate to those being in the middle.

But I just showed you that, by your own definition of the middle, they do.

You defined the middle. As a Democrat, I agreed with your positions as stated. The democratic position, by your definition (and also by the global left-right definition, by the way), is the middle.

Perhaps you should refine your definitions if you don’t like how this went.

 

[Heathen]

They have moved pretty far left as the GOP moves further right.

They’ve moved right to catch voters not willing to go extreme right

 

[Texan1211]

You said no late-term abortions unless the health of the mother is at stake. A fetal abnormality that will kill the child doesn't necessarily put the life of the mother at risk. It's an important point to clarify.

Yes I sure did.
Ultrasounds will reveal many things, including some abnormalities.
You wish to nitpick and imagine every single possible scenario, have fun.
Here, I will AMEND it for you.
If the life of the mother is at stake OR there is an abnormality allow abortions--I guess at any time if that makes you happy.
For the vast majority of abortions, that is not the case.

 

[Texan1211]

It wasn't answered. The discussion was about the national parties and your answer was a vague "some Democrats do, some don't"

Look, I answered your question whether you like it or acknowledge it.
people like you are one of the reasons why the Democratic Party lost the election. Even when people are willing to compromise and accept certain things, if you think they are MAGA, you won't ever accept the answers given.

 

[Texan1211]

Texan, I don't know how much of it is still in place in Colorado, but in the past Colorado used hospital boards to allow for some individual county by county local rule to take place regarding medicine.

In the past those hospital boards decided about abortions in an individual case by case basis, they even decided about vasectomies, on an individual basis.

My father had to apply to get his done, they ruled it OK in his case, he had three healthy children. He was allowed to cut his own tubes being how he had already had three, (have a doctor do it of course), but he got to decide.

After they decided it was OK that he could decide.

That sounds like bull to me---not the story--- the actions of the hospital. Another good reason to have one set of laws applying everywhere for everyone regarding abortion. Set reasonable limits and don't allow states to pass their own laws regarding it.

 

[J-DONK]

AoC lost the Oversight chair to a 74 year old with cancer. Supposedly, Nancy still hates AOC. It's going to be interesting what she will do going forward. She has been playing nice with the party for the last few years.

Ocasio-Cortez Loses Vote to Be the Top Democrat on the Oversight Panel

The New York progressive’s defeat was a counterpoint to generational change in the Democratic ranks, as House members chose younger members for top posts on other committees.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Texan1211]

But I just showed you that, by your own definition of the middle, they do.

Just like with the Republican Party, what is said is often different than how they vote.

You defined the middle

For ME. I don't care what anyone else's "middle" is as it has no effect on me. But I won't pretend what you described is what Democrats actually vote for.

 

[Texan1211]

They’ve moved right to catch voters not willing to go extreme right

You think Democrats moved to the right?!?!?!
lol!

 

[Texan1211]

AoC lost the Oversight chair to a 74 year old with cancer. Supposedly, Nancy still hates AOC. It's going to be interesting what she will do going forward. She has been playing nice with the party for the last few years.

Nancy has the donor class devoted to her. She really runs things. Heck, she made Biden drop out!
Just more of DC as usual.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Yes I sure did.
Ultrasounds will reveal many things, including some abnormalities.
You wish to nitpick and imagine every single possible scenario, have fun.
Here, I will AMEND it for you.
If the life of the mother is at stake OR there is an abnormality allow abortions--I guess at any time if that makes you happy.
For the vast majority of abortions, that is not the case.

Why do you get so upset when people are trying to have a rational discussion with you?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Look, I answered your question whether you like it or acknowledge it.
people like you are one of the reasons why the Democratic Party lost the election. Even when people are willing to compromise and accept certain things, if you think they are MAGA, you won't ever accept the answers given.

You don't know a damn thing about me. For someone who gets so upset when he thinks people put words into your mouth, you sure don't have a problem doing it to others.

And for the record, no, you didn't answer the question. The discussion was about national party platforms and you discussed it in terms of what some people do or don't do. Why are you so scared to actually answer questions and participate in big kid discussions?

 

[Texan1211]

You don't know a damn thing about me. For someone who gets so upset when he thinks people put words into your mouth, you sure don't have a problem doing it to others.

I know what you have posted. I didn't put any words in your mouth, nor did I tell you who you voted for. Notice any difference between your post and mine?
I am used to more intelligent posters but am finding it lacking in you.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I know what you have posted. I didn't put any words in your mouth, nor did I tell you who you voted for. Notice any difference between your post and mine?
I am used to more intelligent posters but am finding it lacking in you.

Yeah, I noticed a difference. I address what you post. You just respond with a bunch of meaningless bullshirt.

 

[brandon]

Just like with the Republican Party, what is said is often different than how they vote.

Can you point to any examples where Democrats voted in a way different than what you've described as the middle?

Or is that just what you've been told they do?

For ME. I don't care what anyone else's "middle" is as it has no effect on me.

Well yea, we're talking about your middle as you defined it. Your middle happens to align with generally what the world considers the middle, so congrats on that. You're pretty close to right.

What bothers you is that both your middle and the global middle (along with what most voters say they want time and time again in polls) also align with generally the accepted positions of the Democratic party.

But I won't pretend what you described is what Democrats actually vote for.

See, that's what you're missing.

What actually happens is that Democrats do a pretty good job in general of representing the middle, and most of the voting public's actual policy desires tend to line up with Democrats' positions when people are asked about specific policies.

But when it comes time to vote, they vote Republican, against their own interests, because they've been told to be afraid of brown people and baby murderers.

 

[Texan1211]

Yeah, I noticed a difference. I address what you post. You just respond with a bunch of meaningless bullshirt.

You stay in denial, looks good on you.

 

[Texan1211]

Can you point to any examples where Democrats voted in a way different than what you've described as the middle?

Democrats claim to be for law and order and secure borders but their actions result in sanctuaries and harboring illegal aliens and not cooperating with federal law enforcement.
Democrats claim to be for abortion with some restrictions, but at least 8 states have no restrictions regarding when one can obtain an abortion.
Nobody had to tell me, it is all over the news and very easy to look up.

But when it comes time to vote, they vote Republican, against their own interests, because they've been told to be afraid of brown people and baby murderers.

And there is that infamous liberal elitism showing its ugly head! Of course only Democrats know what is good for you, and you will vote how we tell you because we know your personal situation better than you!