What happens to the Democratic Party now? (13 Viewers)

[Heathen]

I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..

2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogue

Harris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House depending on results the next few days…..

What went wrong?
What could’ve been done better?
What can we change in the future to ensure voters are motivated like they were when Obama was elected?

Democrats have no choice but to admit there’s a huge problem with some aspect of their platform— and to do a deep introspection of what’s going wrong..

 

[SFIDC3]

Democrats is CA have known about Swalwell for a long time and have done nothing until now but defend him. Now that it is more broadly known and now that there is a political cost to the party, they act after the fact.

So spare me the whole “difference between the left and the right”. Nobody believes it. Maybe you are trying to convince yourself.

Ole TJ just told on himself.....bigly.....

 

[MT15]

Democrats is CA have known about Swalwell for a long time and have done nothing until now but defend him. Now that it is more broadly known and now that there is a political cost to the party, they act after the fact.

So spare me the whole “difference between the left and the right”. Nobody believes it. Maybe you are trying to convince yourself.

You’re the only person in here with the amount of gall needed to make this argument. It takes a lot. The GOP is not only supporting Trump, they have prostrated themselves before him like supplicants. Even after rape charges, a sexual assault judgment, bragging about sexual assault.

Rumors and whispers were what Dems knew about Swalwell up until now. You want people to be persecuted and run out of politics for rumors and whispers? I suppose you do if it’s a dem, but a repub, well that person can admit everything and not lose any support.

Saying these responses are the same is extremely partisan. But then we all knew that about you already.

 

[TampaJoe]

Lol, even when it's revealed to the public, Republicans come out and support their candidate even more. It only took a few days for the public pressure from Democrat voters to take this guy down. I'm sure his congressional seat is next. You never see that on the Republican side, unless it's the person coming out against Trump himself. Otherwise it's cart blanche on that side of the isle. Tony Gonzales freaking won a primary (before dropping out) with all the allegations surrounding him.

I don't need to convince myself of anything, I'm just observant of what happens in reality. Maybe you should try that.

What happens in reality is that Dems don’t give a crap about right or wrong or moral or immoral unless and until it becomes public and there is a political price to pay. You as much as admitted it. It’s all politics and they are all politicians.

And yeah, all you have to do is observe what happens in reality. Thats why no one trust government anymore. D or R.

 

[TampaJoe]

You’re the only person in here with the amount of gall needed to make this argument. It takes a lot. The GOP is not only supporting Trump, they have prostrated themselves before him like supplicants. Even after rape charges, a sexual assault judgment, bragging about sexual assault.

Rumors and whispers were what Dems knew about Swalwell up until now. You want people to be persecuted and run out of politics for rumors and whispers? I suppose you do if it’s a dem, but a repub, well that person can admit everything and not lose any support.

Saying these responses are the same is extremely partisan. But then we all knew that about you already.

I’m not claiming one party is anymore moral or truthful than the other. Because they aren’t. And you can keep telling yourself that one is better than the other but you are fooling yourself. Nobody else believes it. The political parties don’t trust each other and for good reason. Neither one is trustworthy. The general public knows this. You can’t and aren’t fooling them.

 

[coldseat]

What happens in reality is that Dems don’t give a crap about right or wrong or moral or immoral unless and until it becomes public and there is a political price to pay. You as much as admitted it. It’s all politics and they are all politicians.

And yeah, all you have to do is observe what happens in reality. Thats why no one trust government anymore. D or R.

You make no sense. I'm not talking about the politicians or the political class. I'm talking about Democrats and Republican constituents/voters. Democrat voters at the very least hold their political leaders responsible when they don't meet minimum moral standards. You cannot say that about Republican voters. Of course we don't trust Democrat politicians, but we're willing to hold them responsible for their actions. That's been shown over and over.

But even in the political class, when shirt becomes public, there are consequences among the Democrat political class. There is no such thing in the Republican political class unless it's against Trump, even when it becomes public. So even there your premise fails. I can't imagine living with the levels of cognitive dissonance you continuously display.

 

[SamAndreas]

I'll just leave this here.>>> Not all conservatives are Republicans.

Nor are all Liberals Democrats.

 

[MT15]

I’m not claiming one party is anymore moral or truthful than the other. Because they aren’t. And you can keep telling yourself that one is better than the other but you are fooling yourself. Nobody else believes it. The political parties don’t trust each other and for good reason. Neither one is trustworthy. The general public knows this. You can’t and aren’t fooling them.

You’re the only person trying to fool anyone. Nobody buys what you’re peddling. How about answering a question. You said Dems knew all about Swalwell. I correctly pointed out that all they had up until now were whispers and rumors - these are the first actual allegations. And he is resigning from Congress and withdrawing from his election over them.

Do you expect a party to act on whispers and rumors? That is the pertinent question here.

And we see that the GOP doesn’t even act on known facts. They’re just fine with actual sexual assault committed by their members.

So you just don’t have a leg to stand on here. You’re so partisan that you cannot deal with the reality of the situation.

 

[TampaJoe]

I'll just leave this here.>>> Not all conservatives are Republicans.

Nor are all Liberals Democrats.

Agreed. Not all Republicans are conservatives. Not all Democrats are liberals. Most folks are moderates. The trouble is the aren’t enough moderates active in either party. The extremes run our politics.

 

[TampaJoe]

You’re the only person trying to fool anyone. Nobody buys what you’re peddling. How about answering a question. You said Dems knew all about Swalwell. I correctly pointed out that all they had up until now were whispers and rumors - these are the first actual allegations. And he is resigning from Congress and withdrawing from his election over them.

Do you expect a party to act on whispers and rumors? That is the pertinent question here.

And we see that the GOP doesn’t even act on known facts. They’re just fine with actual sexual assault committed by their members.

So you just don’t have a leg to stand on here. You’re so partisan that you cannot deal with the reality of the situation.

Whispers? I guess maybe someone could scrounge up somebody to create a dossier. When you want to go after a Republican all you need are whispers. But when someone makes an allegation against a Dem you want proof beyond a reasonable doubt before you even open an investigation.

I don’t give a crap what happens with Swalwell. That’s up to his constituents. I just don’t but the “nobody had a clue” defense.

This is what YOU wrote just the other day re Swalwell:

“According to a lady I listen to who pays attention, his donation page was already taken down, most of his staff has resigned and she expects him to withdraw by Monday. At this point he may be in legal jeopardy. She says his actions have been known about by people who work in politics for quite a while.”

Quite a while. People knew quite a while. And yet only now when it becomes public knowledge and there is a political price to pay do they find the “courage” to confront him. Some of the same folks who claimed they didn’t have a clue about Biden’s mental decline until a hundred days before the election.

When it comes to accountability, neither party is lighting things up. Who is “slightly” better. I dunno. I don’t care. They both suck when it comes to ethics.

 

[SamAndreas]

Whispers? I guess maybe someone could scrounge up somebody to create a dossier. When you want to go after a Republican all you need are whispers. But when someone makes an allegation against a Dem you want proof beyond a reasonable doubt before you even open an investigation.

I don’t give a crap what happens with Swalwell. That’s up to his constituents. I just don’t but the “nobody had a clue” defense.

This is what YOU wrote just the other day re Swalwell:

“According to a lady I listen to who pays attention, his donation page was already taken down, most of his staff has resigned and she expects him to withdraw by Monday. At this point he may be in legal jeopardy. She says his actions have been known about by people who work in politics for quite a while.”

Quite a while. People knew quite a while. And yet only now when it becomes public knowledge and there is a political price to pay do they find the “courage” to confront him. Some of the same folks who claimed they didn’t have a clue about Biden’s mental decline until a hundred days before the election.

When it comes to accountability, neither party is lighting things up. Who is “slightly” better. I dunno. I don’t care. They both suck when it comes to ethics.

Swalwell is gone, he's resigning from Congress, the news of that came out about an hour ago, with CBS reporting. .

 

[TampaJoe]

Swalwell is gone, he's resigning from Congress, the news of that came out about an hour ago, with CBS reporting. .

I’m good with that.

 

[MT15]

I’m good with that.

What I was describing were whispers and rumors. Exactly that. She said it in those exact terms. The sort of thing where women look out for each other and tell other women “that guy is a player who will see if you are up for stuff, he will slide into your dms”. She called it the “whisper network”. Nobody knew about these specific allegations. Nobody knew until this woman came forward.

So I repeat again - do you expect a political party to run someone off based on whispers and rumors? Because nobody alleged rape until this woman came forward.

And there is nothing about Trump’s sexual assault that is based on whispers and rumors. He was held liable for sexual assault in civil court. He bragged about grabbing women by their genitals without asking. He bragged about walking into a dressing room full of teenage girls while they were dressing - because he owned the pageant. He has been accused of sexual assault by dozens of women. Accused of rape by several, one of which was adjudicated. One was his wife at the time.

The GOP cared nothing about any of it. The 2 parties couldn’t be more different when it comes to sexual assault by their members. If you cannot see that it’s because you are one of the worst types of partisans that there could be. The kind that won’t admit reality when it is staring him in the face.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

What happens in reality is that Dems don’t give a crap about right or wrong or moral or immoral unless and until it becomes public and there is a political price to pay. You as much as admitted it. It’s all politics and they are all politicians.

And yeah, all you have to do is observe what happens in reality. Thats why no one trust government anymore. D or R.

The point you seem to be intentionally missing is that Democratic voters put pressure on Swalwell, not just Democratic politicians. On the other hand, Republican voters turn a blind eye, defend or even cheer on Republican politicians when credible sexual assault claims are made.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

And you can keep telling yourself that one (party) is better than the other but you are fooling yourself. Nobody else believes it.

Uhm, have you not been paying attention to the people you've been responding to? Most of the people on this site believe that the Democratic party is better than the Republican party. You really should take a break from that alternate reality that you've created in your head.

 

[longtime lurker]

I like what the young Man is saying:

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[LA 2 L.A.]

I like what the young Man is saying:

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The two things I'd like to see the most in 2028 is Talarico running for president and that he's the real deal that he seems to be. The first step away from fascism is to dis-empower the fascist billionaires trying to impose their fascism on us.

 

[Taurus]

I'll just leave this here.>>> Not all conservatives are Republicans.

Nor are all Liberals Democrats.

They might be Greens. Maybe, possibly old-school Libertarian.
But anyone consciously calling themselves both liberal and Republican is lying about one of them.

 

[MT15]

Whispers? I guess maybe someone could scrounge up somebody to create a dossier. When you want to go after a Republican all you need are whispers. But when someone makes an allegation against a Dem you want proof beyond a reasonable doubt before you even open an investigation.

I don’t give a crap what happens with Swalwell. That’s up to his constituents. I just don’t but the “nobody had a clue” defense.

This is what YOU wrote just the other day re Swalwell:

“According to a lady I listen to who pays attention, his donation page was already taken down, most of his staff has resigned and she expects him to withdraw by Monday. At this point he may be in legal jeopardy. She says his actions have been known about by people who work in politics for quite a while.”

Quite a while. People knew quite a while. And yet only now when it becomes public knowledge and there is a political price to pay do they find the “courage” to confront him. Some of the same folks who claimed they didn’t have a clue about Biden’s mental decline until a hundred days before the election.

When it comes to accountability, neither party is lighting things up. Who is “slightly” better. I dunno. I don’t care. They both suck when it comes to ethics.

Here is a detailed explanation about how things went from rumors to allegations. I’m sure you won’t read it though, because it shows a stark contrast between how the 2 parties respond to sexual assault charges.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/13/influencers-allegations-eric-swalwell-00869517