We Need to Talk About Trump's Project 2025 & Trump's Manifesto "Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise" (2 Viewers)

[LA - L.A.]

I think Trump's Project 2025 needs it's own thread to make as many people as possible aware of it, how Trump and the people he's surrounded himself with are dead serious about making it happen, and how devastating it will be if we allow Trump to make it happen. These are the various pages on his website which should show Trump means business. Trump's not just wishing or theorizing, he's planning and implementing.

Trump and his minion's home page (the bolding is their's, not mine):

Project 2025 | Presidential Transition Project

Presidential Transition Project The 2025 Presidential Transition Project paves the way for an effective conservative Administration based on four pillars.

www.project2025.org

"It is not enough for conservatives to win elections. If we are going to rescue the country from the grip of the radical Left, we need both a governing agenda and the right people in place, ready to carry this agenda out on Day One of the next conservative Administration.​

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This is the goal of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. The project will build on four pillars that will, collectively, pave the way for an effective conservative Administration."​

Trump's policy agenda page:

Policy | Project 2025

This book is the product of more than 400 scholars and policy experts from across the conservative movement and around the country. Contributors include former elected officials, world-renowned economists, and veterans from four presidential Administrations. This is an agenda prepared by and for...

www.project2025.org

"This book is an invitation for you the reader—Mr. Smith, Mrs. Smith, and Ms. Smith—to come to Washington or support those who can. Our goal is to assemble an army of aligned, vetted, trained, and prepared conservatives to go to work on Day One to deconstruct the Administrative State.​

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The next conservative President will enter office on January 20, 2025, with a simple choice: greatness or failure. It will be a daunting test, but no more so than every other generation of Americans has faced and passed. The Conservative Promise represents the best effort of the conservative movement in 2023—and the next conservative President’s last opportunity to save our republic."​

Trump's personnel (recruitment/application) page, bolding is mine:

Personnel | Project 2025

Please fill out the questionnaire below and upload your resume for inclusion in the Presidential Personnel Database if you would like to be considered for positions in a presidential Administration. Project 2025 is the effort of a massive coalition of conservative organizations that have come...

www.project2025.org

"Please fill out the questionnaire below and upload your resume for inclusion in the Presidential Personnel Database if you would like to be considered for positions in a presidential Administration.​

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Project 2025 is the effort of a massive coalition of conservative organizations that have come together to ensure a successful Administration begins in January 2025. With the right conservative policy recommendations and properly vetted and trained personnel to implement them, we will take back our government. Project 2025 is being organized by The Heritage Foundation."​

Trump's training page:

Training | Project 2025

The Presidential Administration Academy is a one-of-a-kind educational and skill-building program designed to prepare and equip future political appointees now to be ready on Day One of the next conservative Administration. This academy provides aspiring appointees with the insight, background...

www.project2025.org

"The Presidential Administration Academy is a one-of-a-kind educational and skill-building program designed to prepare and equip future political appointees now to be ready on Day One of the next conservative Administration. This academy provides aspiring appointees with the insight, background knowledge, and expertise in governance to immediately begin rolling back destructive policy and advancing conservative ideas in the federal government."​

Trump's first 180 days playbook page:

Playbook | Project 2025

The fourth pillar of Project 2025 is our 180-day Transition Playbook and includes a comprehensive, concrete transition plan for each federal agency. Only through the implementation of specific action plans at each agency will the next conservative presidential Administration be successful...

www.project2025.org

"The time is short, and conservatives need a plan. The project will create a playbook of actions to be taken in the first 180 days of the new Administration to bring quick relief to Americans suffering from the Left’s devastating policies."​

Trump's playbook, bolding mine (I've downloaded the pdf of their playbook for when Trump eventually pulls it from his website once the backlash really kicks in):

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

"This book is an invitation for you the reader—Mr. Smith, Mrs. Smith, and Ms. Smith—to come to Washington or support those who can. Our goal is to assemble an army of aligned, vetted, trained, and prepared conservatives to go to work on Day One to deconstruct the Administrative State.​

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This is an agenda prepared by and for conservatives who will be ready on Day One of the next Administration to save our country. The Heritage Foundation is once again facilitating this work, but as our dozens of partners and hundreds of authors will attest, this book is the work of the entire conservative movement.​

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The next conservative President will enter office on January 20, 2025 ... The Conservative Promise represents the best effort of the conservative movement in 2023—and the next conservative President’s last opportunity to save our republic."​

The link to the 111 groups Trump and his minions have cobbled together in a coalition to help Trump achieve his agenda.

Advisory Board | Project 2025

GET INVOLVED Does your organization want to join us in the fight for our country? Join Us

www.project2025.org

Groups include:​

• ALEC - the Koch brother's foundation that has written all of the state laws that undermine child labor protection, worker's rights, air and water pollution protections, voter's rights, government assistance programs from those that need the help, and tax codes that made sure the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes.
• Moms For Liberty - the group leading the charge to ban any book that treats anyone, who is not white, heterosexual, cis and Christian, as being equal and deserving of acceptance, tolerance and respect.
• National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation - which works for corporations to prevent and bust worker's unions to help corporations pay a non living wage to employees and force them to work under horrible conditions.
• Tea Party Patriots - the group that is MAGA and has taken control of the Republican party and supports Trump's efforts to stage a coup on Jan 6th so that he could stay in power even though he lost the election.
• Turning Point USA - run by Charlie Kirk who fully embraces Christian Nationalism and the reducing of women to just being homemakers dedicated only to serving their husbands and their family, in that order

Here are some articles and videos that give an overview of what Trump's Project 2025 plans to do if Trump wins the presidency:

What Is Project 2025?

If you were on Twitter or TikTok over the weekend, you might have seen people talking about Project 2025.

time.com

Conservative groups draw up plan to dismantle the US government and replace it with Trump’s vision

With more than a year to go before the 2024 election, a constellation of conservative organizations is preparing for a possible second White House term for Donald Trump.

apnews.com

What is Project 2025? Wish list for a Trump presidency, explained

A think-tank with ties to Trump has set out a vision for Republicans. But the former president has tried to distance himself from it.

www.bbc.com

Inside the MAGA Plan to Attack Birth Control, Surveil Women and Ban the Abortion Pill

Republicans’ Project 2025 plan would leverage virtually every arm, tool and agency of the federal government to attack abortion.

www.rollingstone.com

Project 2025, the far-right agenda for a second Trump administration, explained - The Boston Globe

There is growing alarm about the sweeping plan, which opponents have called a “dystopian plot,” “far-right manifesto,” and “blueprint for destroying our democracy.”

www.bostonglobe.com

A guide to Project 2025, the extreme right-wing agenda for the next Republican administration

Project 2025, a comprehensive transition plan organized by right-wing think tank The Heritage Foundation to guide the next GOP presidential administration, is the conservative movement’s most robust policy and staffing proposal for a potential second Trump White House — and its extreme agenda...

www.mediamatters.org

The Heritage Foundation cooked up this plan during the Reagan administration, but Reagan didn't let the Heritage Foundation fully implement it. Trump has claimed it for himself and has made it his plan, because it plays into the ultimate power and control that Trump wants. See the videos below.









No matter how annoying, frustrating, distasteful, or unappealing it may be, either Biden or Trump will be the next president. No one else has a chance at winning the election. If Biden wins, we have issues to solve, but we still have our democracy.

If Trump wins, we lose our democracy and have to fight for our freedom, if we aren't white, Christian, cis, heterosexual men who believe in the divine right of white, Christian, cis, heterosexual men to sit in domination over all others.

The bottom line is this, vote for Biden if you want to preserve our democracy, or don't vote for Biden if you want to chance Trump winning, which would bring an end to our democracy.

That's the grounded-in-reality choice folks, like it or not. Please vote for Biden so that we all have the freedom to live our lives how we want, to argue with each other, and to protest without fear of being imprisoned or "falling" out of window to our death.

This election is not a drill, it's the real deal.

 

[bdb13]

See Arlington not 5 days ago.

Reminds my of Dave Chappelle's joke with his buddy "Chip" - "Sorry officer, i didnt know i couldnt do that" ( OK you are free to go- but SLOW DOWN )

"you know what Dave? I DID know i couldnt do that -Ahhhhhahahaha"

With "We're Not Gonna Take It" blasting in the background lol.. " no one wants to get their arse beat to a soundtrack" aww simpler, funnier times.

 

[Incumbent]

The recent raid on Hispanic activists has to spark an outcry from that community? Perhaps a repeat of California democratic turn when California Republicans passed that prop 187? I hope? Bc these Republicans are out of their minds.

Hopefully but so far, Abbott / Patrick / Paxton are largely getting away with their misdeeds and ramming through their dangerous policies. I don’t know what it will take to turn enough of the electorate against them.

Anybody who thinks Trump’s Project 2025 is unlikely fantasy isn’t living in a state where some of the most harmful initiatives are already being enacted. A state like Texas should be all the warning anybody needs to not downplay this into making it a reality where they live or for the entire country.

Children haven’t been in the plans for my wife and me but she’s still capable of bearing children. She’s also at an age where she’s at an increased risk for complications. We’ve lost the security of knowing she has immediate access to whatever care she could possibly need if circumstances required that. It’s terrifying. Nobody will be able to convince me the alarm about what the GOP is doing (not just plans to do, is doing) is misplaced or exaggerated.

 

[superchuck500]

Yeah it's not like we don't have precedence of him breaking the law. He placed his pure loyalist in the pentagon after he lost. He tried to remove the attorney general. He was prepared to declare Marshall law in anticipation of a counter protest to his Maga. All this has been revealed. We were saved from a constitutional crisis or perhaps worse because pence grew a spine. And let's not forget that we have Thomas who gave cannon that idea to throw out the top secret case. Jan 6th investigation had one of trump's lawyers stating they had one justice in his pocket during their strategy session. Alito? Mr heritage? It's not hard to fathom how they strong armed the others w dobbs. Yeah...McMaster is running around now telling everyone that it wasn't trump that laid the seed for Afghanistan. It was his advisers. Yeah, I don't get that loyalty. I certainly dont expect "capable" people stopping trump from breaking laws in a second revenge term if that is the mentality.

None of that is compelling.

- A president has appointment power for top DOD officials
- A president oversees the Justice Department
- Trump didn't declare martial law because he can't.
- Pence didn't do anything at the certification because he didn't have that power and he knew it. Had he done it, it would have been a brief delay until the Supreme Court ruled he didn't have that power (because he didn't).
- Thomas didn't give Cannon the idea to dismiss the documents case - Trump filed a motion specifically on that point and it was joined by amicus briefs from law professors.
- Dobbs was always on suspect constitutional grounds and the right has been steadily moving toward repealing it for decades . . . Trump appointed 3 justices the right was confident would overturn it, and two were already on the court - this idea that they were "strong armed" is nonsense.


I never said capable people around Trump are going to keep him from doing stuff. In fact, I said the opposite - that the people around him these days are largely incapable. The Constitution and federal law are what is going to stop him.

 

[MT15]

The Constitution and federal law are what is going to stop him.

Who will enforce this law? I’m not trying to be snarky. We have seen in FL and TX how mini-Trump governors are trampling on people’s rights. Paxton conducting raids on Hispanic voting activists - sending armed men to an elderly voting activist’s house in the early morning to rifle through her possessions, seize her phone and computer, and without - as far as I’ve seen - any declaration of suspected crimes.

DeSantis has appointed cronies to state positions, leading to some pretty public corruption. At the same time he took over a state university, essentially fired everyone there, installed far right wing actors who have overseen the wholesale trashing of thousands of books by a front loader. Now it seems to be an indoctrination institution wholly dedicated to furthering a Christian Nationalist state - remember this is a public institution paid for with taxpayer money.

Now it could be that eventually the wheels of Justice will catch up to these deeds. But to me Justice seems to move glacially slow, while the enemies of our country, the enemies of democracy are making bold moves without any visible pushback.

Just like Trump’s Arlington stunt. Broke at least one federal law - openly - while on release from the court. Absolutely zero consequences. He just openly flouts the law, done so his entire life. Not one day in jail, and half of the legal profession seems to be bent on excusing everything he does.

 

[superchuck500]

Who will enforce this law? I’m not trying to be snarky. We have seen in FL and TX how mini-Trump governors are trampling on people’s rights. Paxton conducting raids on Hispanic voting activists - sending armed men to an elderly voting activist’s house in the early morning to rifle through her possessions, seize her phone and computer, and without - as far as I’ve seen - any declaration of suspected crimes.

DeSantis has appointed cronies to state positions, leading to some pretty public corruption. At the same time he took over a state university, essentially fired everyone there, installed far right wing actors who have overseen the wholesale trashing of thousands of books by a front loader. Now it seems to be an indoctrination institution wholly dedicated to furthering a Christian Nationalist state - remember this is a public institution paid for with taxpayer money.

Now it could be that eventually the wheels of Justice will catch up to these deeds. But to me Justice seems to move glacially slow, while the enemies of our country, the enemies of democracy are making bold moves without any visible pushback.

Just like Trump’s Arlington stunt. Broke at least one federal law - openly - while on release from the court. Absolutely zero consequences. He just openly flouts the law, done so his entire life. Not one day in jail, and half of the legal profession seems to be bent on excusing everything he does.

The Constitution is 235 years old. Donald Trump is a jack-arse. He isn't going to end the Constitution.

That's my take and I'm sticking to it because I think our system is fairly well set-up to preserve itself. Yes, there are gaps. Yes, there are places where bad actors can do bad things. But the fundamentals are strong and I believe in them.

Every federal official. Every judge. Every officer of the military. Every U.S. Marshal. They all swear an oath to GOD to defend the Constitution . . . not the President, the Constitution. What that means may have some variation, and there will always be people whose oath to God is a farce, but I believe that the vast majority of people who swear oaths to defend the Constitution will do it.

 

[MT15]

The Constitution is 235 years old. Donald Trump is a jack-arse. He isn't going to end the Constitution.

That's my take and I'm sticking to it because I think our system is fairly well set-up to preserve itself. Yes, there are gaps. Yes, there are places where bad actors can do bad things. But the fundamentals are strong and I believe in them.

Every federal official. Every judge. Every officer of the military. Every U.S. Marshal. They all swear an oath to GOD to defend the Constitution . . . not the President, the Constitution. What that means may have some variation, and there will always be people whose oath to God is a farce, but I believe that the vast majority of people who swear oaths to defend the Constitution will do it.

Your faith is commendable. I wish I could share in it - I tend toward optimism normally.

But I never ever thought Trump would get as far as he got in 2020-2021 with trying to overturn an election. Similarly, once Jan 6 happened and failed, I never imagined the entire GOP would end up supporting it.

My faith has been shaken.

 

[UriUT]

None of that is compelling.

- A president has appointment power for top DOD officials
- A president oversees the Justice Department
- Trump didn't declare martial law because he can't.
- Pence didn't do anything at the certification because he didn't have that power and he knew it. Had he done it, it would have been a brief delay until the Supreme Court ruled he didn't have that power (because he didn't).
- Thomas didn't give Cannon the idea to dismiss the documents case - Trump filed a motion specifically on that point and it was joined by amicus briefs from law professors.
- Dobbs was always on suspect constitutional grounds and the right has been steadily moving toward repealing it for decades . . . Trump appointed 3 justices the right was confident would overturn it, and two were already on the court - this idea that they were "strong armed" is nonsense.


I never said capable people around Trump are going to keep him from doing stuff. In fact, I said the opposite - that the people around him these days are largely incapable. The Constitution and federal law are what is going to stop him.

Your romantic beliefs in the law and the constitution is admirable. I mean that. And we should all strive to be that. [edit: I meant that the institutions are filled with these ideals. Obviously I do believe in the law and constitution as I'm sure the non authoritarians here are as well. Well maybe not how the 2nd is interpreted...i digress.]

Regarding pence, that wasn't the door stopper. His mission was to delay so that the fake electors would emerge thereby pose question to the election. That is unconstitutional and federally unlawful. Laws and the constitution aren't some physical assets that will stand as stalwarts. The people who believes in those ideals are, such as yourself. The problem then, as I've pointed out isn't that the president has the constitutional power to appoint...doj and dod after the election. It's that he installed sycophants..parel.. to abide his orders. One such was to declare Marshall law once a counter protest occurred and send in the national guard. Thank goodness there wasn't. The sycophants at doj was there to press the fake electors. I don't question his right to appoint. It's who and why. And we know this with the Jan 6th investigation. [Edit.. and they were clearly there to break the law and the constitution.]

As for Thomas, right I have zero proof. What's interesting is that he brought that point up out of the blue. And the point of bringing up dobbs isn't to question it's legitimacy. It's that alito is heritage acolyte. That if the reports were accurate, he and the other strong conservatives coerced the others into a ruling they weren't comfortable.

 

[UriUT]

Your faith is commendable. I wish I could share in it - I tend toward optimism normally.

But I never ever thought Trump would get as far as he got in 2020-2021 with trying to overturn an election. Similarly, once Jan 6 happened and failed, I never imagined the entire GOP would end up supporting it.

My faith has been shaken.

Yeah, I don't think it's a far leap to conclude that if people like Clark were appointed over the protest of many doj officials, that Jan 6th may be different. And its reasonable to conclude that if these same sycophants were more broadly placed in position of power in the bureaucracy, those who stand up to these authoritarians will eventually be replaced and that the constitution would be left defenseless.

 

[Huntn]

The Constitution is 235 years old. Donald Trump is a jack-arse. He isn't going to end the Constitution.

That's my take and I'm sticking to it because I think our system is fairly well set-up to preserve itself. Yes, there are gaps. Yes, there are places where bad actors can do bad things. But the fundamentals are strong and I believe in them.

Every federal official. Every judge. Every officer of the military. Every U.S. Marshal. They all swear an oath to GOD to defend the Constitution . . . not the President, the Constitution. What that means may have some variation, and there will always be people whose oath to God is a farce, but I believe that the vast majority of people who swear oaths to defend the Constitution will do it.

You know if Trump forces his way into the a White House there is a plan, a now well publizied plan to either flush mass numbers of federal workers, or require loyalty oaths to Der Fuhrur, which would be the basis of firing them if they refused to comply.

The military might be harder to conquer. In 2020, Trump wanted the military involved in the election and the Joint Chiefs, told him in so many words to shove it where the sun don’t shine…

Milley was one of Trump’s favorite generals. Now he’s a villain of the right.

The four-star general has been sucked back into politics as a feud between the Pentagon and conservatives escalates.

www.politico.com

Here’s the point, although Trump’s a moron, he and his co-conspirators have learned there was too much opposition at the Federal level, what he would call the Deep State to allow his over throw of the U.S. federal Govt. For round 2 if that becomes a reality, expect Trump to turn the government upside down in his quest for uncontested power.

 

[Farb]

I'm not lying about Trump's Project 2025 being Trump's plan. It doesn't matter if you believe me or not, it's still the truth.


You're psychologically projecting yourself onto me. I did the research for myself and determined for myself that the truth is that Trump's Project 2025 plan was written for Trump and is exactly what Trump will do if he wins. I don't just believe or regurgitate what people tell me. That's what you do.


Of course you would love it, because it's a fascist manifesto and Trump will definitely do almost all of it if he wins.

When was Project 2025 written?

 

[Farb]

Agenda 47 is and it's not much different from project 2025.

Agenda 47 is convicted felon trump's document he and his team wrote for a second term as president.

A Tale of Two Agendas: Comparing Trump's Agenda 47 and the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025

Exploring the Striking Similarities and Strategic Goals of Two Conservative Blueprints for America's Future

thepettyauntie.substack.com

Conclusion​

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As we delve into the details of Trump's Agenda 47 and the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025, it becomes clear that both plans are united in their goal to reshape America's governmental landscape significantly. They focus on consolidating executive power, reducing federal oversight, and implementing conservative policies across various sectors. While the political arena remains divided, these plans present a clear vision for the future that supporters argue will strengthen America, while critics warn of increased authoritarianism and reduced civil liberties. As these agendas continue to be debated, understanding their nuances is crucial for every informed citizen.

I can only hope he will, he won't, but I can hope.

 

[Farb]

He can’t

No, he can't. So why the fear campaign?

 

[Farb]

Not based in reality?

Clearly you don't know what reality is. They published the whole freaking plan themselves. Run from it all you like, we're still going to make you own it.

Plus, everything you have advocated for on this board in Project 2025, but it's not the right wing's playbook. Lol

Did I say it wasn't the 'right wing playbook' (more like a wish list)? I said it wasn't Trumps.
When was the plan written?

 

[Farb]

Federal Workforce​

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Agenda 47 (Trump's Plan): Reissuing 'Schedule F' to reclassify federal employees as at-will employees, making it easier to fire them. This is seen as a loyalty strategy.

Project 2025 (Heritage Foundation's Plan): Proposes reclassifying federal employees to facilitate their removal and ensure loyalty.

Similarity: Both plans aim to reclassify federal employees to make it easier to fire those involved in policy decisions. Increased executive power is a central theme.

Executive Power​

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Agenda 47: Expanding executive power by consolidating control over the federal bureaucracy.

Project 2025: Concentrating power in the Executive branch and purging career civil servants.

Similarity: Both plans seek to increase executive power and centralize control within the White House.

Immigration​

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Agenda 47: Enacting strict immigration policies, including mass deportations and border security measures.

Project 2025: Implementing the largest domestic deportation operation in U.S. history and enhancing border security.

Similarity: Both plans emphasize strict immigration enforcement and large-scale deportations. Increased federal interaction and executive power are focal points.

Education​

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Agenda 47: Eliminating the Department of Education and promoting school choice through vouchers.

Project 2025: Removing federal oversight of education and promoting school vouchers.

Similarity: Both plans advocate for dismantling the Department of Education and increasing school choice options. Increased executive power is evident.

Deregulation​

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Agenda 47: Rolling back regulations on businesses and reducing environmental protections.

Project 2025: Dismantling environmental regulations and promoting fossil fuel interests.

Similarity: Both plans focus on deregulating industries and reducing environmental protections. Increased executive power is a recurring theme.

Civil Rights​

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Agenda 47: Rolling back protections for LGBTQ+ individuals and restricting gender-affirming care.

Project 2025: Eliminating anti-discrimination protections and banning gender-affirming care.

Similarity: Both plans aim to reduce civil rights protections for LGBTQ+ individuals.

Healthcare​

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Agenda 47: Expanding Medicare Advantage and reducing government involvement in healthcare.

Project 2025: Promoting privatized healthcare options and reducing government healthcare programs.

Similarity: Both plans support the privatization of healthcare and reducing government-provided healthcare services.

Abortion and Contraception​

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Agenda 47: Restricting access to abortion and contraception.

Project 2025: Implementing federal laws against mailing abortion pills and restricting access to contraception.

Similarity: Both plans seek to restrict access to abortion and contraception.

Trade and Tariffs​

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Agenda 47: Imposing tariffs to protect American industries and renegotiating trade deals.

Project 2025: Implementing trade policies that protect American industries from foreign competition.

Similarity: Both plans prioritize protecting American industries through tariffs and trade policies. Significant government intervention in the market is a shared approach.

Law Enforcement​

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Agenda 47: Increasing funding and support for law enforcement agencies. "Defund the FBI".

Project 2025: Proposing significant changes to DOJ and FBI, focusing on loyalty and alignment with executive priorities.

Similarity: Both plans emphasize restructuring law enforcement agencies to align with executive priorities. Increased executive power is a key theme.

Pretty awesome ideas, right?
So, where did you copy and paste someone else work from? Would like to see the source.

 

[Farb]

Farb officially declares he is a Facist and a Racist. Glad it’s official and we don’t have to insinuate.

The sign of a strong position or being an informed and intelligent person is to resort to personal attacks. Well done my friend.

So, since I am racist and I have a feeling you are too, do you think black people find it difficult to navigate society to obtain a legal ID or use a computer? Left wingers do.

 

[SFIDC3]

I get this sentiment - and why people feel compelled to take it very seriously. But I just don't. Donald Trump has a pretty weak record of getting anything done, he's just not much of a leader when it comes to actual execution. In his first term, he actually had a fairly capable staff and cabinet for a time, and he had Congress for two years - but he's terrible at staying focused and he values loyalty far more than effectiveness . Getting things accomplished is not a priority for him. . . and if he were to win, he would be lame duck from day 1 and clearly committed to a staff of wildly inexperienced goofballs. Vivek Ramaswamy and RFK Jr. have demonstrated over and over that they don't have a clue how the federal government actually operates.

And Congress? This batch of GOP in Congress are literally leading the modern history books for getting the least amount done - and it's unlikely that they would form the kind of majority required to start dismantling the statutory framework of the executive branch. Project 2025 has been around for years in other forms - its leaders are not particularly impressive. And few district judges and a rebel 5th Circuit aren't going save this gang of weak outsiders in their efforts to dramatically overhaul the US Government.

Yes, I think some of it can be done fairly unilaterally within the executive branch - but even that requires skillful execution. I don't there's realistic chance of statutory overhaul and despite what people convince themselves of, I don't think that the conservative federal judiciary is on board. Do we really think the same Supreme Court that just struck down Chevron is going to find a majority to allow a rouge president to start unilaterally dismantling offices and programs required by federal statute? I just don't.

Don't get me wrong, I think terrible and unconstitutional ideas should be criticized and energetically resisted because they're terrible and unconstitutional. But I'm not ready to quake in the assumption that Trump winning means P25 gets implemented because I see some serious hurdles that I don't think he is capable of clearing no matter the enthusiasm. And I don't think Trump really cares much one way or the other - he's not really that committed to any of it ideologically, his interests are purely self-gratification.

But I'm an institutionalist, of course I see it this way. Maybe I'm being a fool

Chuck, I have the utmost respect for you, and I know you know the law and the legalities and details that many of us don't and I appreciate you sharing your IMO extensive knowledge. But I'm quickly losing respect for our legal system, courts, of course specifically the SC, don't trust them to do the right or even legal thing any longer, they are clearly partisan, moreso than any other in at least my lifetime....in numerous decisions they have twisted their interpretation of the Constitution to fit their partisan narrative, if Trump were to win the WH again then I don't think its irrational to think they would continue to do so at a very amped up level.....

I never said capable people around Trump are going to keep him from doing stuff. In fact, I said the opposite - that the people around him these days are largely incapable. The Constitution and federal law are what is going to stop him.

I appreciate your faith in the Constitution and federal law but I'm not confident that some lets say "bad apple" judges in the wrong place at the wrong time can completely change the course of this country, I mean, it's already happening.....

The one thing I think almost all of us agree on is that we hope another Trump administration never happens.....Cheers, just my humble 2 cents.....

 

[coldseat]

Did I say it wasn't the 'right wing playbook' (more like a wish list)? I said it wasn't Trumps.
When was the plan written?

So there's supposed to be a difference?

He represents you all, he's going to do what you all want so he can gain and keep power. Trump know as much as we do, that once you all give up on him, he's done.

 

[Huntn]

When was Project 2025 written?

Research it. Trump was in the middle of its conception.